Re: [WebDNA] [OT] potential cheap WebDNA server?
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texte = For what it's worth, I'll throw my $0.02 in here regarding the mini as it might be helpful/interesting to some of you. I am doing pretty much exactly what Donovan has described, two minis colocated at MacMiniColo.net. The primary mini is a 40GB 1.25GHz G4 running WebDNA 4.x and OS X 10.3. I've got it set up with Apple Remote Desktop so I can jump on and remote control any time, I also have SSH access in case there's some reason ARD lets me down. The second mini is an 80GB 1.42GHZ, and I've partitioned the drive into two volumes. The first volume just has the OS and has its own unique IP address. The second volume is used for cloning the primary mini. The two are connected with FireWIre, using FireWire over IP and putting them both on their own non-routable subnet. Every hour the primary mini's HD is cloned to the second mini's second partition via FIreWire, so I'm never lost more than an hour's worth of data in the event of a disaster. Should the primary server go down, I simply jump onto the secondary and tell it to reboot using the second partition, and within 30 seconds I'm back up and running. I think the mini is a great option for Web serving, and even more so now given that you can drop 4GB of RAM in there, and you can attach another mini via FW 800 instead of just FW 400. The one thing that might be of concern to some is the hard drive rotational speed, because some of the early models were only 4200RPM and even the new ones just announced are still 5400 RPM. If that's an issue, it's not that difficult to replace it with a 7200RPM drive. Otherwise, it's got gig Enet, don't really see any other downside. The colo prices are very reasonable at macminicolo.net, but there are other facilities that will also host minis at very reasonable rates. And if you're striving to be "green," the mini's power consumption of 13W when idle surely makes it the greenest Web server on the planet. I don't work for Apple or macminicolo.net, just a happy customer... On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Palle Bo Nielsen wrote: >> Still in beta though. We all look forward to the final version >> including the release notes... Th Mac B4 version seems fine though > > right, We are on the final stretch with most > of the remaining issues (for the 6.1 final release) > being cosmetic. > > Back to MacMini's... I still think these things are > an interesting consideration in many applications... > for instance, many years ago, > I used to run an intranet WebDNA Server.. which > hosted some custom WebDNA applications... a Standard > Operating Procedure lookup and system, A basic > intercommunication system, Software inventory > database, dev testing, etc.. this little mac mini > is perfect for something like that. > > I could easily see it as a valid option for realworld > hosting as well. One could conceivably buy two for that > price... then run one in firewire target mode, and run > a script (cron/rsync) that creates an exact mirror > of the live machine. Then, if the live machine fails, > you just have to restart the mirror mini, and you are > back in business. (I haven't tried it but it sounds > interesting anyway) It's not a redundant power supply, > hot swap unit, but on a budget.... > > Now, I'm sure someone very adept in Linux could > probably find cheaper solutions that are just as > good or better... but not everyone is a linux > OS guru. > > Things like the mac Activity Monitor and console, make > troubleshooting server problems quite a bit easier for > folks without years of linux administration. Of course, > you have to be at the machine location to use those > utilities! > > Anyway, I feel like a talkative Apple rep today! ;-).. > but I had better get back to work! > > Donovan > > > > -- > Donovan D. Brooke PH: 1 (608) 770-3822 > ------------------------------------------------ > WebDNA Software Corporation > 16192 Coastal Highway > Lewes, DE 19958 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
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For what it's worth, I'll throw my $0.02 in here regarding the mini as it might be helpful/interesting to some of you. I am doing pretty much exactly what Donovan has described, two minis colocated at MacMiniColo.net. The primary mini is a 40GB 1.25GHz G4 running WebDNA 4.x and OS X 10.3. I've got it set up with Apple Remote Desktop so I can jump on and remote control any time, I also have SSH access in case there's some reason ARD lets me down. The second mini is an 80GB 1.42GHZ, and I've partitioned the drive into two volumes. The first volume just has the OS and has its own unique IP address. The second volume is used for cloning the primary mini. The two are connected with FireWIre, using FireWire over IP and putting them both on their own non-routable subnet. Every hour the primary mini's HD is cloned to the second mini's second partition via FIreWire, so I'm never lost more than an hour's worth of data in the event of a disaster. Should the primary server go down, I simply jump onto the secondary and tell it to reboot using the second partition, and within 30 seconds I'm back up and running. I think the mini is a great option for Web serving, and even more so now given that you can drop 4GB of RAM in there, and you can attach another mini via FW 800 instead of just FW 400. The one thing that might be of concern to some is the hard drive rotational speed, because some of the early models were only 4200RPM and even the new ones just announced are still 5400 RPM. If that's an issue, it's not that difficult to replace it with a 7200RPM drive. Otherwise, it's got gig Enet, don't really see any other downside. The colo prices are very reasonable at macminicolo.net, but there are other facilities that will also host minis at very reasonable rates. And if you're striving to be "green," the mini's power consumption of 13W when idle surely makes it the greenest Web server on the planet. I don't work for Apple or macminicolo.net, just a happy customer... On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Palle Bo Nielsen wrote: >> Still in beta though. We all look forward to the final version >> including the release notes... Th Mac B4 version seems fine though > > right, We are on the final stretch with most > of the remaining issues (for the 6.1 final release) > being cosmetic. > > Back to MacMini's... I still think these things are > an interesting consideration in many applications... > for instance, many years ago, > I used to run an intranet WebDNA Server.. which > hosted some custom WebDNA applications... a Standard > Operating Procedure lookup and system, A basic > intercommunication system, Software inventory > database, dev testing, etc.. this little mac mini > is perfect for something like that. > > I could easily see it as a valid option for realworld > hosting as well. One could conceivably buy two for that > price... then run one in firewire target mode, and run > a script (cron/rsync) that creates an exact mirror > of the live machine. Then, if the live machine fails, > you just have to restart the mirror mini, and you are > back in business. (I haven't tried it but it sounds > interesting anyway) It's not a redundant power supply, > hot swap unit, but on a budget.... > > Now, I'm sure someone very adept in Linux could > probably find cheaper solutions that are just as > good or better... but not everyone is a linux > OS guru. > > Things like the mac Activity Monitor and console, make > troubleshooting server problems quite a bit easier for > folks without years of linux administration. Of course, > you have to be at the machine location to use those > utilities! > > Anyway, I feel like a talkative Apple rep today! ;-).. > but I had better get back to work! > > Donovan > > > > -- > Donovan D. Brooke PH: 1 (608) 770-3822 > ------------------------------------------------ > WebDNA Software Corporation > 16192 Coastal Highway > Lewes, DE 19958 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ > -- Gil Poulsen, Mac Wirehead ************************ AltiM@c Consulting 23 Marco Polo Court Franklin Park, NJ 08823-1703 Voice: 609-359-0103 http://altimac.com ************************
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