Re: [BULK] Re: [WebDNA] Candidate versions release
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texte = On Jun 16, 2010, at 17:03, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote: > Hi Christophe, >=20 > Ok, to be sure that we aligned here... >=20 > The Mac OS X webdna.fcgi works on both the Mac OS X Client and Mac OS = X Server. exact: the WebDNA.fascgi is built for OSX. The kernel is the same for = OSX and OSX server. The only difference is the apache configuration: OSX = is preset to serve one single site in /Library/WebServer/Documents/ = while OSX server is preset to server multiple vhosts, with or without = dedicated IPs. The difference is the way each vhost is configured, and = it is all within one configuration file, httpd.conf (and its included = subfiles). Finding the proper modifications to write in this file will = allow webdna.fcgi to run in OSX server, one copy per vhost. - chris > So what is the difference? Is it that the installation/setup procedure = is tested on the Client version of Mac OS X and that the Server version = of Mac OS X might need some manual additions to the installation/setup? = If this is the case, then how do you intent to close the gap unless I = misunderstand something completely. >=20 > I look forward to you reply. >=20 > Palle >=20 >=20 > On 16/06/2010, at 21.41, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >=20 >> The OSX and OSX server webdna.fcgi version is the same one. The only = difference is the way to setup the webserver. >>=20 >> - chris >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 16, 2010, at 15:31, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote: >>=20 >>> Okay, I will wait until there is a Mac OS X Server release candidate = - i think. >>>=20 >>> As an Apple developer you can download a free time limited mac os x = server @ Apple >>>=20 >>> Palle >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 16/06/2010, at 19.10, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Yes, it will work, but without a OSX server for testing purpose, we = don't know yet what the exact configuration will be. >>>>=20 >>>> - chris >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> WebDNA Software Corporation >>>> 16192 Coastal Highway >>>> Lewes, DE 19958 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 14:02, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Hi Christophe, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is the version below to be used on a MAC OS X SERVER 10.6.x = (Intel) ? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Best Regards >>>>> Palle >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 16/06/2010, at 18.42, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> You can run one copy per vhost on a server. We did not test yet = under cPanel, but you will find explanations below to experiment by = yourself. The administration URL will be http://your = domain/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/Admin/AdminPrefs.dna or = http://localhost/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/Admin/AdminPrefs.dna >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Download the http://www.webdna.us/download/WebCatalogEngine.zip = and move it to your /cgi-bin >>>>>> The /WebCatalog directory does not exist anymore. Everything is = inside /WebCatalogEngine >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Move the WebDNA.fcgi you want inside the WebCatalogEngine folder. = Chmod 755. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Mac OSX intel 64bits. >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-OSX.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Linux glibcv2 32bits for RH, Fedora, and Centos >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-centos386.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Linux glibcv2 64bits for RH, Fedora, and Centos >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-centos64.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Linux glibcv3 for OpenSuse, Ubuntu >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-glibcv3-x86_64.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> FreeBSD 64 bits >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-freebsd64.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 1.- If your page keeps requesting a login and password, though = you are using the default admin / admin >>>>>> This is a redirect problem solved by adding this to you = httpd.conf >>>>>> (of course, the rewrite module must be active) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>
>>>>>> RewriteEngine on >>>>>> RewriteRule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization},L] >>>>>> >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 2.- If your webdna administration page does not load the images >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This problem is due to the ScriptAlias, that makes apache = consider all the files in /cgi-bin as script. >>>>>> ScriptAlias is not needed anymore if you move your cgi-bin inside = the vhost hierarchy. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 3.- you can add this for security purpose; it will disallow = apache display some files >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>
>>>>>> Deny from all = =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.- These are several configuration suggestions: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.1.- httpd.conf will load the FastCGI module with this line >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> LoadModule fcgid_module modules/mod_fcgid.so >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.2.- you will also have had to add this line for a CentOS: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> SocketPath run/mod_fcgid >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here the .htaccess on a CentOS server: >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> Options All +ExecCGI >>>>>> AddHandler fcgid-script .dna >>>>>> FCGIWrapper /your-path-to/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi = .dna >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.3.- you will have this line in a FreeBSD: >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> AllowOverrride All >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here the .htaccess on a FreeBSD server: >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> AddHandler fcgid-script .dna = =20 >>>>>> Action fcigd-script /cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi = = =20 >>>>>> Options +ExecCGI = = =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> FCGIWrapper /your-path-to/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi = .dna >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.5- OSX will just need this in the httpd.conf >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #----------------------- >>>>>>
>>>>>> FastCGIServer = /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi = -idle-timeout 60 -processes 1 >>>>>> Action webdna-fastcgi /cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi >>>>>> AddHandler webdna-fastcgi .dna .tpl .zarc >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> RewriteEngine on >>>>>> RewriteRule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization},L] >>>>>> >>>>>> #----------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.- SuExec >>>>>> If your server runs more than a single copy, then you should use = SuExec to secure your installation: SuExec will make each WebDNA copy = run under the UID:GID of the vhost it is installed in, and therefore, = will have limited permissions. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here an example of how to setup suexec under cPanel; It might be = a matter of doing this: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.1.- Install WebDNA on the server in some location such as = /opt/WebDNA . Make sure it is readable and executable by all users. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.2.- Go into EasyApache in WHM. Click the button to "Start = customizing based on profile". Be sure the following two options are = selected, and then rebuild Apache: >>>>>> Apache 2.2 >>>>>> Mod FCGID >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.3.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on "PHP and = SuExec Configuration". Make sure that Apache suEXEC is set to "On". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.4.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on "Include = Editor". Click "I wish to edit the Post VirtualHost configuration for" = and then "All versions". Add the following line: >>>>>> FcgidWrapper /opt/WebDNA/WebDNA.fcgi .dna >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Then click Update. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.5.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on = DirectoryIndex Priority. Click "Add". Type in "index.dna". Then click = "Save". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> That might be it, although we have not tested yet. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.- cPanel vhost install >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here if you want to run one copy per vhost: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.1.- Go into EasyApache in WHM. Click the button to "Start = customizing based on profile". Be sure the following two options are = selected, and then rebuild Apache: >>>>>> Apache 2.2 >>>>>> Mod FCGID >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.2.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on "PHP and = SuExec Configuration". Make sure that Apache suEXEC is set to "On". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.3.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on = DirectoryIndex Priority. Click "Add". Type in "index.dna". Then click = "Save". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.4.) Install WebDNA on the server in the home directory of the = user who wants to use it. As an example, if this is for user "testuser" = who owns "testdomain.com", we would install it in: >>>>>> /home/testuser/WebDNA >>>>>> Make sure the files are owned by "testuser". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.5.- As root, create two new files called: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = /usr/local/apache/conf/userdata/std/2/testuser/testdomain.com/webdna.conf >>>>>> = /usr/local/apache/conf/userdata/ssl/2/testuser/testdomain.com/webdna.conf >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Put the following text into both files: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> FcgidWrapper /home/testuser/WebDNA/WebDNA.fcgi .dna >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.6.- Execute the following command as root: >>>>>> /scripts/ensure_vhost_includes --all-users >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.7.- Repeat steps 4-6 for any additional users who want to use = WebDNA. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = ******************************************************************** >>>>>> DISCLAIMER: these informations are provided for testing purpose. = They are not intended for a production environment. >>>>>> = ******************************************************************** >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - chris >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>> WebDNA Software Corporation >>>>>> 16192 Coastal Highway >>>>>> Lewes, DE 19958 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list
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On Jun 16, 2010, at 17:03, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote: > Hi Christophe, >=20 > Ok, to be sure that we aligned here... >=20 > The Mac OS X webdna.fcgi works on both the Mac OS X Client and Mac OS = X Server. exact: the WebDNA.fascgi is built for OSX. The kernel is the same for = OSX and OSX server. The only difference is the apache configuration: OSX = is preset to serve one single site in /Library/WebServer/Documents/ = while OSX server is preset to server multiple vhosts, with or without = dedicated IPs. The difference is the way each vhost is configured, and = it is all within one configuration file, httpd.conf (and its included = subfiles). Finding the proper modifications to write in this file will = allow webdna.fcgi to run in OSX server, one copy per vhost. - chris > So what is the difference? Is it that the installation/setup procedure = is tested on the Client version of Mac OS X and that the Server version = of Mac OS X might need some manual additions to the installation/setup? = If this is the case, then how do you intent to close the gap unless I = misunderstand something completely. >=20 > I look forward to you reply. >=20 > Palle >=20 >=20 > On 16/06/2010, at 21.41, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >=20 >> The OSX and OSX server webdna.fcgi version is the same one. The only = difference is the way to setup the webserver. >>=20 >> - chris >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 16, 2010, at 15:31, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote: >>=20 >>> Okay, I will wait until there is a Mac OS X Server release candidate = - i think. >>>=20 >>> As an Apple developer you can download a free time limited mac os x = server @ Apple >>>=20 >>> Palle >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 16/06/2010, at 19.10, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Yes, it will work, but without a OSX server for testing purpose, we = don't know yet what the exact configuration will be. >>>>=20 >>>> - chris >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> WebDNA Software Corporation >>>> 16192 Coastal Highway >>>> Lewes, DE 19958 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 14:02, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Hi Christophe, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is the version below to be used on a MAC OS X SERVER 10.6.x = (Intel) ? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Best Regards >>>>> Palle >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 16/06/2010, at 18.42, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> You can run one copy per vhost on a server. We did not test yet = under cPanel, but you will find explanations below to experiment by = yourself. The administration URL will be http://your = domain/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/Admin/AdminPrefs.dna or = http://localhost/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/Admin/AdminPrefs.dna >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Download the http://www.webdna.us/download/WebCatalogEngine.zip = and move it to your /cgi-bin >>>>>> The /WebCatalog directory does not exist anymore. Everything is = inside /WebCatalogEngine >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Move the WebDNA.fcgi you want inside the WebCatalogEngine folder. = Chmod 755. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Mac OSX intel 64bits. >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-OSX.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Linux glibcv2 32bits for RH, Fedora, and Centos >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-centos386.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Linux glibcv2 64bits for RH, Fedora, and Centos >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-centos64.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Linux glibcv3 for OpenSuse, Ubuntu >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-glibcv3-x86_64.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> FreeBSD 64 bits >>>>>> http://www.webdna.us/download/WebDNA-freebsd64.zip >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 1.- If your page keeps requesting a login and password, though = you are using the default admin / admin >>>>>> This is a redirect problem solved by adding this to you = httpd.conf >>>>>> (of course, the rewrite module must be active) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> RewriteEngine on >>>>>> RewriteRule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization},L] >>>>>> >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 2.- If your webdna administration page does not load the images >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This problem is due to the ScriptAlias, that makes apache = consider all the files in /cgi-bin as script. >>>>>> ScriptAlias is not needed anymore if you move your cgi-bin inside = the vhost hierarchy. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 3.- you can add this for security purpose; it will disallow = apache display some files >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Deny from all = =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.- These are several configuration suggestions: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.1.- httpd.conf will load the FastCGI module with this line >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> LoadModule fcgid_module modules/mod_fcgid.so >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.2.- you will also have had to add this line for a CentOS: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> SocketPath run/mod_fcgid >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here the .htaccess on a CentOS server: >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> Options All +ExecCGI >>>>>> AddHandler fcgid-script .dna >>>>>> FCGIWrapper /your-path-to/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi = .dna >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.3.- you will have this line in a FreeBSD: >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> AllowOverrride All >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here the .htaccess on a FreeBSD server: >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>> AddHandler fcgid-script .dna = =20 >>>>>> Action fcigd-script /cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi = = =20 >>>>>> Options +ExecCGI = = =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> FCGIWrapper /your-path-to/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi = .dna >>>>>> #--------------------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4.5- OSX will just need this in the httpd.conf >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> #----------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> FastCGIServer = /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi = -idle-timeout 60 -processes 1 >>>>>> Action webdna-fastcgi /cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/WebDNA.fcgi >>>>>> AddHandler webdna-fastcgi .dna .tpl .zarc >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> RewriteEngine on >>>>>> RewriteRule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization},L] >>>>>> >>>>>> #----------------------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.- SuExec >>>>>> If your server runs more than a single copy, then you should use = SuExec to secure your installation: SuExec will make each WebDNA copy = run under the UID:GID of the vhost it is installed in, and therefore, = will have limited permissions. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here an example of how to setup suexec under cPanel; It might be = a matter of doing this: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.1.- Install WebDNA on the server in some location such as = /opt/WebDNA . Make sure it is readable and executable by all users. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.2.- Go into EasyApache in WHM. Click the button to "Start = customizing based on profile". Be sure the following two options are = selected, and then rebuild Apache: >>>>>> Apache 2.2 >>>>>> Mod FCGID >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.3.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on "PHP and = SuExec Configuration". Make sure that Apache suEXEC is set to "On". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.4.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on "Include = Editor". Click "I wish to edit the Post VirtualHost configuration for" = and then "All versions". Add the following line: >>>>>> FcgidWrapper /opt/WebDNA/WebDNA.fcgi .dna >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Then click Update. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5.5.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on = DirectoryIndex Priority. Click "Add". Type in "index.dna". Then click = "Save". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> That might be it, although we have not tested yet. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.- cPanel vhost install >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here if you want to run one copy per vhost: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.1.- Go into EasyApache in WHM. Click the button to "Start = customizing based on profile". Be sure the following two options are = selected, and then rebuild Apache: >>>>>> Apache 2.2 >>>>>> Mod FCGID >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.2.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on "PHP and = SuExec Configuration". Make sure that Apache suEXEC is set to "On". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.3.- Go into Apache Configuration in WHM. Click on = DirectoryIndex Priority. Click "Add". Type in "index.dna". Then click = "Save". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.4.) Install WebDNA on the server in the home directory of the = user who wants to use it. As an example, if this is for user "testuser" = who owns "testdomain.com", we would install it in: >>>>>> /home/testuser/WebDNA >>>>>> Make sure the files are owned by "testuser". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.5.- As root, create two new files called: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = /usr/local/apache/conf/userdata/std/2/testuser/testdomain.com/webdna.conf >>>>>> = /usr/local/apache/conf/userdata/ssl/2/testuser/testdomain.com/webdna.conf >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Put the following text into both files: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> FcgidWrapper /home/testuser/WebDNA/WebDNA.fcgi .dna >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.6.- Execute the following command as root: >>>>>> /scripts/ensure_vhost_includes --all-users >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 6.7.- Repeat steps 4-6 for any additional users who want to use = WebDNA. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = ******************************************************************** >>>>>> DISCLAIMER: these informations are provided for testing purpose. = They are not intended for a production environment. >>>>>> = ******************************************************************** >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - chris >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>> WebDNA Software Corporation >>>>>> 16192 Coastal Highway >>>>>> Lewes, DE 19958 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>> Bug Reporting: = http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=3Dtopics&category(8 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20
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