Re: [BULK] Re: [WebDNA] [BULK] Mac OS X LION has no FastCGI

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2011

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texte = ... and let me make one thing clear.I am not requesting that WebDNA will work under Lion. I have observed =and concluded that it does not. I thought this information would be =helpful for WSC and at the same time I requested information on their =position towards the challenge. I do not appreciate the negative impact =feedback which was not intended. Although as a customer I would =appreciate a clear position/roadmap such as if Lion is going to be fully =supported or not. Any other feedback such as claiming that the platform =I have selected for my business gives a bad reputation to this community =- and thank you for the support (Donovan).PalleOn 25/07/2011, at 10.00, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:> Hi Kenneth,>=20> You are misunderstanding the facts.>=20> FastCGI is not a part of Lion per default; not even selectable - and I =am afraid that Chris is wrong as well. It' not there. You need to =install it yourself.>=20> Palle>=20>=20> On 24/07/2011, at 23.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>=20>> There, see Palle? Chris said that WebDNA 7 works under=20>> Apache when using the fastcgi module, so I guess you were=20>> misinformed or worried about nothing.>>=20>> Sincerely,>> Kenneth Grome>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> Lion as well as Snow Leopard and all other OSX versions>>> are using apache as web server. There is a module>>> fastcgi_module (mod_fastcgi.so) for all apache versions>>> and if it is not loaded by default on Lion, it is>>> certainly no difficult to load or install. So, nothing>>> to worry about: WebDNA.fcgi will run just as fine with>>> Lion as on almost all other web servers.>>>=20>>> - chris>>>=20>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 16:30, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>=20>>>> Thank you for the sarcasm/irony. Besides being>>>> entertained by your reply I do not find it useful>>>> whatsoever.>>>>=20>>>> I have chosen to use Mac as a platform for web>>>> development as has many others. WSC has chosen to>>>> support the Mac platform as well as other platforms,>>>> which I appreciate.>>>>=20>>>> So now I just wanted to inform the community that there>>>> is no FCGI in Lion and at the same time ask for the>>>> WSC's official opinion on the challenge at hand.>>>>=20>>>> I rest my case and wish you a good day Kenneth, no>>>> matter what platform you choose. I am here to be a>>>> part of the community - not trying to have a war on>>>> platforms.>>>>=20>>>> Palle>>>>=20>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 21.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>> It seems like Apple has chosen not to include FastCGI>>>>>> as an option in Mac OS X Lion or Mac OS X Lion>>>>>> Server.>>>>>=20>>>>> Big deal. Hardly anyone uses Mac servers any more>>>>> these days anyways, do they?>>>>>=20>>>>> Even if they do, why bother upgrading just because a>>>>> new version is released? If the version you're>>>>> currently using works fine, just keep using it!>>>>>=20>>>>> Or better yet, why not switch to Linux?>>>>>=20>>>>> The vast majority of the world's web servers run Linux>>>>> these days anyways. Maybe you should try it. Then>>>>> you won't have to worry about Apple's strange>>>>> decisions any more.>>>>>=20>>>>> I'm actually surprised that Apple is still producing>>>>> and marketing servers. I heard that they pulled the>>>>> plug on that division and were no longer producing or>>>>> selling server hardware or software ... but maybe>>>>> they just cut the server division's funding so much>>>>> that the dev team didn't have the resources to>>>>> include FastCGI.>>>>>=20>>>>> Apple has strangely abandoned other technologies while>>>>> they were still in heavy use too, so I'm not>>>>> surprised about this. But I fail to see why you're>>>>> so determined to stick with Mac servers ...>>>>>=20>>>>> Is there something you cannot do on a Linux server>>>>> that you can do on a Mac server? Or is it just that>>>>> Linux is a new and different platform that you do not>>>>> really want to learn? Because believe me, it's not>>>>> that hard ...>>>>>=20>>>>> When Apple refused to stand behind the last desktop>>>>> computer I bought from them several years ago, I>>>>> abandoned Apple in favor of Linux -- not only as a>>>>> desktop computer but also as a server. It was the>>>>> best decision I ever made in my life as a web>>>>> developer and server admin.>>>>>=20>>>>> Since then I have never felt that I had a good reason>>>>> to go back to MacOS. And I was one of the biggest>>>>> die-hard Mac fans you could possibly have known back>>>>> then, so it was NOT a simple decision for me to>>>>> switch!>>>>>=20>>>>> Yet after I made the switch I realized how much I was>>>>> missing in the Mac-only environment -- and how much>>>>> more it was costing me financially. =46rom that point>>>>> on I have always felt very, very good about my>>>>> decision to switch.>>>>>=20>>>>>> Knowing that the Lion has just been set free, I would>>>>>> like to ask WSC on their position; what can we expect>>>>>> from your side...>>>>>=20>>>>> I'm not WSC but my guess is that your choices are>>>>> simple:>>>>>=20>>>>> 1- Write your own FastCGI module for your Lion server>>>>> so you can use WebDNA 7.>>>>>=20>>>>> 2- Keep using WebDNA 6.2 on your Lion server so you do>>>>> not need FastCGI.>>>>>=20>>>>> 3- Get a Linux server and run WebDNA 7 and future>>>>> versions of WebDNA on it.>>>>>=20>>>>> 4- Abandon WebDNA in favor of some other server side>>>>> scripting language that will run on your Lion server.>>>>>=20>>>>> 5- Retire so you don't have to reply on companies like>>>>> Apple or WSC to do what you want them to do any more.>>>>>=20>>>>> 6- Another option I have not considered ... ???>>>>>=20>>>>> Good luck whatever you do.>>>>>=20>>>>> :)>>>>>=20>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------>>>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

... and let me make one thing clear.I am not requesting that WebDNA will work under Lion. I have observed =and concluded that it does not. I thought this information would be =helpful for WSC and at the same time I requested information on their =position towards the challenge. I do not appreciate the negative impact =feedback which was not intended. Although as a customer I would =appreciate a clear position/roadmap such as if Lion is going to be fully =supported or not. Any other feedback such as claiming that the platform =I have selected for my business gives a bad reputation to this community =- and thank you for the support (Donovan).PalleOn 25/07/2011, at 10.00, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:> Hi Kenneth,>=20> You are misunderstanding the facts.>=20> FastCGI is not a part of Lion per default; not even selectable - and I =am afraid that Chris is wrong as well. It' not there. You need to =install it yourself.>=20> Palle>=20>=20> On 24/07/2011, at 23.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>=20>> There, see Palle? Chris said that WebDNA 7 works under=20>> Apache when using the fastcgi module, so I guess you were=20>> misinformed or worried about nothing.>>=20>> Sincerely,>> Kenneth Grome>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> Lion as well as Snow Leopard and all other OSX versions>>> are using apache as web server. There is a module>>> fastcgi_module (mod_fastcgi.so) for all apache versions>>> and if it is not loaded by default on Lion, it is>>> certainly no difficult to load or install. So, nothing>>> to worry about: WebDNA.fcgi will run just as fine with>>> Lion as on almost all other web servers.>>>=20>>> - chris>>>=20>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 16:30, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>=20>>>> Thank you for the sarcasm/irony. Besides being>>>> entertained by your reply I do not find it useful>>>> whatsoever.>>>>=20>>>> I have chosen to use Mac as a platform for web>>>> development as has many others. WSC has chosen to>>>> support the Mac platform as well as other platforms,>>>> which I appreciate.>>>>=20>>>> So now I just wanted to inform the community that there>>>> is no FCGI in Lion and at the same time ask for the>>>> WSC's official opinion on the challenge at hand.>>>>=20>>>> I rest my case and wish you a good day Kenneth, no>>>> matter what platform you choose. I am here to be a>>>> part of the community - not trying to have a war on>>>> platforms.>>>>=20>>>> Palle>>>>=20>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 21.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>> It seems like Apple has chosen not to include FastCGI>>>>>> as an option in Mac OS X Lion or Mac OS X Lion>>>>>> Server.>>>>>=20>>>>> Big deal. Hardly anyone uses Mac servers any more>>>>> these days anyways, do they?>>>>>=20>>>>> Even if they do, why bother upgrading just because a>>>>> new version is released? If the version you're>>>>> currently using works fine, just keep using it!>>>>>=20>>>>> Or better yet, why not switch to Linux?>>>>>=20>>>>> The vast majority of the world's web servers run Linux>>>>> these days anyways. Maybe you should try it. Then>>>>> you won't have to worry about Apple's strange>>>>> decisions any more.>>>>>=20>>>>> I'm actually surprised that Apple is still producing>>>>> and marketing servers. I heard that they pulled the>>>>> plug on that division and were no longer producing or>>>>> selling server hardware or software ... but maybe>>>>> they just cut the server division's funding so much>>>>> that the dev team didn't have the resources to>>>>> include FastCGI.>>>>>=20>>>>> Apple has strangely abandoned other technologies while>>>>> they were still in heavy use too, so I'm not>>>>> surprised about this. But I fail to see why you're>>>>> so determined to stick with Mac servers ...>>>>>=20>>>>> Is there something you cannot do on a Linux server>>>>> that you can do on a Mac server? Or is it just that>>>>> Linux is a new and different platform that you do not>>>>> really want to learn? Because believe me, it's not>>>>> that hard ...>>>>>=20>>>>> When Apple refused to stand behind the last desktop>>>>> computer I bought from them several years ago, I>>>>> abandoned Apple in favor of Linux -- not only as a>>>>> desktop computer but also as a server. It was the>>>>> best decision I ever made in my life as a web>>>>> developer and server admin.>>>>>=20>>>>> Since then I have never felt that I had a good reason>>>>> to go back to MacOS. And I was one of the biggest>>>>> die-hard Mac fans you could possibly have known back>>>>> then, so it was NOT a simple decision for me to>>>>> switch!>>>>>=20>>>>> Yet after I made the switch I realized how much I was>>>>> missing in the Mac-only environment -- and how much>>>>> more it was costing me financially. =46rom that point>>>>> on I have always felt very, very good about my>>>>> decision to switch.>>>>>=20>>>>>> Knowing that the Lion has just been set free, I would>>>>>> like to ask WSC on their position; what can we expect>>>>>> from your side...>>>>>=20>>>>> I'm not WSC but my guess is that your choices are>>>>> simple:>>>>>=20>>>>> 1- Write your own FastCGI module for your Lion server>>>>> so you can use WebDNA 7.>>>>>=20>>>>> 2- Keep using WebDNA 6.2 on your Lion server so you do>>>>> not need FastCGI.>>>>>=20>>>>> 3- Get a Linux server and run WebDNA 7 and future>>>>> versions of WebDNA on it.>>>>>=20>>>>> 4- Abandon WebDNA in favor of some other server side>>>>> scripting language that will run on your Lion server.>>>>>=20>>>>> 5- Retire so you don't have to reply on companies like>>>>> Apple or WSC to do what you want them to do any more.>>>>>=20>>>>> 6- Another option I have not considered ... ???>>>>>=20>>>>> Good luck whatever you do.>>>>>=20>>>>> :)>>>>>=20>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------>>>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us Palle Bo Nielsen

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