Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1?
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texte = On Feb 10, 2012, at 21:07, Rob wrote:>> WebDNA should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution =alive, and we will not support it..>> although i have no plans to kill it neither.>=20> Hmmmm....Thought you did already, because the commerce tags don't =work....We did not do anything; there were an old license check that allows or =disallow the eCommerce tags availability. We removed this check on 7.1 =(linux 64bits version built today, and the other versions soon)- chris> Well ok... I understand and appreciate your position ... we've been =using it since 1999 for primarily B2B ecommerce, but have done other =things with it as well... I guess instead of wasting my time doing this, =I'll recode the stores in PHP, to save time, and use WebDNA for =something else, and maybe come back to this down the road sometime.... =Thanks for being up front about it.....=20>=20> Rob>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:53 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote:>=20>> Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead =of working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an ="eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To =ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive =license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which =is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" =market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and =shows its age.>>=20>> WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as =Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final =hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as =sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA =should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and =we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither.>>=20>> - chris>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote:>>=20>>> "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... =Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent about 10 =hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores because of no =commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with it... It would =probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, then screw with =this all weekend... :-(>>>=20>>> Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying =having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find =workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... =then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I =guess once its done it will be a better solution...>>>=20>>> The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623.>>>=20>>> Rob>>>=20>>>=20>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote:>>>=20>>>> Sorry, can't document this! :-)>>>>=20>>>> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with 7.0 =but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the =version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not =support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern =commerce application.>>>>=20>>>> - chris>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote:>>>>=20>>>>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old ecommerence =tags?>>>>>=20>>>>> Thanks>>>>>=20>>>>> Frank>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us =wrote:>>>>>=20>>>>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at =dev.webdna.us/products.html>>>>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we replaced ="unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue)>>>>>>=20>>>>>> - chris>>>>>>=20>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the only tag=20>>>>>>> in the page:>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> [addlineitem=20>>>>>>> cart=3D2&sku=3DGW9032&db=3Dcatalog.txt]quantity=3D1[/addlineitem]>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in the=20>>>>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in "
Unknown Preferences"=20>>>>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown Security=20>>>>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. It seems=20>>>>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version name=20>>>>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag cannot get=20>>>>>>> the proper value from the software or the prefs.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue: If v6.x sites will=20>>>>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed version 7.0 for=20>>>>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and xerces,>>>>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we built it>>>>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, though we>>>>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. Could you>>>>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, could>>>>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 admin>>>>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the better.>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> sincerely,>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> - chris>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of version 7.0>>>>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous versions of>>>>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce site just>>>>>>>>> fine.>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client the other>>>>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his eCommerce site to>>>>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error:>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce capabilities. ">>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> So here's the question:>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include MySQL stuff,>>>>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between it and>>>>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, does this>>>>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not process>>>>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will generate this>>>>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag?>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, because the>>>>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". I think it>>>>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. I see>>>>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface too.>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list
.>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>=20>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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On Feb 10, 2012, at 21:07, Rob wrote:>> WebDNA should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution =alive, and we will not support it..>> although i have no plans to kill it neither.>=20> Hmmmm....Thought you did already, because the commerce tags don't =work....We did not do anything; there were an old license check that allows or =disallow the eCommerce tags availability. We removed this check on 7.1 =(linux 64bits version built today, and the other versions soon)- chris> Well ok... I understand and appreciate your position ... we've been =using it since 1999 for primarily B2B ecommerce, but have done other =things with it as well... I guess instead of wasting my time doing this, =I'll recode the stores in PHP, to save time, and use WebDNA for =something else, and maybe come back to this down the road sometime.... =Thanks for being up front about it.....=20>=20> Rob>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:53 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote:>=20>> Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead =of working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an ="eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To =ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive =license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which =is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" =market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and =shows its age.>>=20>> WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as =Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final =hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as =sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA =should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and =we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither.>>=20>> - chris>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote:>>=20>>> "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... =Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent about 10 =hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores because of no =commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with it... It would =probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, then screw with =this all weekend... :-(>>>=20>>> Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying =having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find =workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... =then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I =guess once its done it will be a better solution...>>>=20>>> The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623.>>>=20>>> Rob>>>=20>>>=20>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote:>>>=20>>>> Sorry, can't document this! :-)>>>>=20>>>> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with 7.0 =but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the =version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not =support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern =commerce application.>>>>=20>>>> - chris>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote:>>>>=20>>>>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old ecommerence =tags?>>>>>=20>>>>> Thanks>>>>>=20>>>>> Frank>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us =wrote:>>>>>=20>>>>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at =dev.webdna.us/products.html>>>>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we replaced ="unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue)>>>>>>=20>>>>>> - chris>>>>>>=20>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the only tag=20>>>>>>> in the page:>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> [addlineitem=20>>>>>>> cart=3D2&sku=3DGW9032&db=3Dcatalog.txt]quantity=3D1[/addlineitem]>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in the=20>>>>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in "Unknown Preferences"=20>>>>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown Security=20>>>>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. It seems=20>>>>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version name=20>>>>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag cannot get=20>>>>>>> the proper value from the software or the prefs.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue: If v6.x sites will=20>>>>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed version 7.0 for=20>>>>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and xerces,>>>>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we built it>>>>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, though we>>>>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. Could you>>>>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, could>>>>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 admin>>>>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the better.>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> sincerely,>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> - chris>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of version 7.0>>>>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous versions of>>>>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce site just>>>>>>>>> fine.>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client the other>>>>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his eCommerce site to>>>>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error:>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce capabilities. ">>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> So here's the question:>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include MySQL stuff,>>>>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between it and>>>>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, does this>>>>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not process>>>>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will generate this>>>>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag?>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, because the>>>>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". I think it>>>>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. I see>>>>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface too.>>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>=20>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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