Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1?

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texte = On Feb 10, 2012, at 21:07, Rob wrote: >> WebDNA should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution = alive, and we will not support it.. >> although i have no plans to kill it neither. >=20 > Hmmmm....Thought you did already, because the commerce tags don't = work.... We did not do anything; there were an old license check that allows or = disallow the eCommerce tags availability. We removed this check on 7.1 = (linux 64bits version built today, and the other versions soon) - chris > Well ok... I understand and appreciate your position ... we've been = using it since 1999 for primarily B2B ecommerce, but have done other = things with it as well... I guess instead of wasting my time doing this, = I'll recode the stores in PHP, to save time, and use WebDNA for = something else, and maybe come back to this down the road sometime.... = Thanks for being up front about it.....=20 >=20 > Rob >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:53 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >=20 >> Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead = of working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an = "eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To = ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive = license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which = is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" = market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and = shows its age. >>=20 >> WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as = Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final = hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as = sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA = should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and = we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither. >>=20 >> - chris >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote: >>=20 >>> "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... = Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent about 10 = hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores because of no = commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with it... It would = probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, then screw with = this all weekend... :-( >>>=20 >>> Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying = having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find = workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... = then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I = guess once its done it will be a better solution... >>>=20 >>> The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623. >>>=20 >>> Rob >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Sorry, can't document this! :-) >>>>=20 >>>> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with 7.0 = but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the = version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not = support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern = commerce application. >>>>=20 >>>> - chris >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old ecommerence = tags? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks >>>>>=20 >>>>> Frank >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at = dev.webdna.us/products.html >>>>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we replaced = "unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - chris >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the only tag=20 >>>>>>> in the page: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> [addlineitem=20 >>>>>>> cart=3D2&sku=3DGW9032&db=3Dcatalog.txt]quantity=3D1[/addlineitem] >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in the=20 >>>>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in "Unknown Preferences"=20 >>>>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown Security=20 >>>>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. It seems=20 >>>>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version name=20 >>>>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag cannot get=20 >>>>>>> the proper value from the software or the prefs. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue: If v6.x sites will=20 >>>>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed version 7.0 for=20 >>>>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> Kenneth Grome >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and xerces, >>>>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we built it >>>>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, though we >>>>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. Could you >>>>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, could >>>>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 admin >>>>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the better. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> sincerely, >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> - chris >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of version 7.0 >>>>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous versions of >>>>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce site just >>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client the other >>>>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his eCommerce site to >>>>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce capabilities. " >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> So here's the question: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include MySQL stuff, >>>>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between it and >>>>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, does this >>>>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not process >>>>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will generate this >>>>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, because the >>>>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". I think it >>>>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. I see >>>>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface too. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are >>>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list . >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
  1. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (sal danna 2012)
  2. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2012)
  3. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2012)
  4. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (Kenneth Grome 2012)
  5. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (Rob 2012)
  6. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (Kenneth Grome 2012)
  7. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2012)
  8. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2012)
  9. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (Rob 2012)
  10. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (Kenneth Grome 2012)
  11. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2012)
  12. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (frank@cwolfe.com 2012)
  13. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2012)
  14. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (Kenneth Grome 2012)
  15. Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2012)
  16. [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1? (Kenneth Grome 2012)
On Feb 10, 2012, at 21:07, Rob wrote: >> WebDNA should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution = alive, and we will not support it.. >> although i have no plans to kill it neither. >=20 > Hmmmm....Thought you did already, because the commerce tags don't = work.... We did not do anything; there were an old license check that allows or = disallow the eCommerce tags availability. We removed this check on 7.1 = (linux 64bits version built today, and the other versions soon) - chris > Well ok... I understand and appreciate your position ... we've been = using it since 1999 for primarily B2B ecommerce, but have done other = things with it as well... I guess instead of wasting my time doing this, = I'll recode the stores in PHP, to save time, and use WebDNA for = something else, and maybe come back to this down the road sometime.... = Thanks for being up front about it.....=20 >=20 > Rob >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:53 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >=20 >> Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead = of working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an = "eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To = ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive = license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which = is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" = market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and = shows its age. >>=20 >> WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as = Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final = hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as = sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA = should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and = we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither. >>=20 >> - chris >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote: >>=20 >>> "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... = Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent about 10 = hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores because of no = commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with it... It would = probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, then screw with = this all weekend... :-( >>>=20 >>> Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying = having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find = workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... = then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I = guess once its done it will be a better solution... >>>=20 >>> The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623. >>>=20 >>> Rob >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Sorry, can't document this! :-) >>>>=20 >>>> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with 7.0 = but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the = version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not = support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern = commerce application. >>>>=20 >>>> - chris >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old ecommerence = tags? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks >>>>>=20 >>>>> Frank >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at = dev.webdna.us/products.html >>>>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we replaced = "unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - chris >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the only tag=20 >>>>>>> in the page: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> [addlineitem=20 >>>>>>> cart=3D2&sku=3DGW9032&db=3Dcatalog.txt]quantity=3D1[/addlineitem] >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in the=20 >>>>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in "Unknown Preferences"=20 >>>>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown Security=20 >>>>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. It seems=20 >>>>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version name=20 >>>>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag cannot get=20 >>>>>>> the proper value from the software or the prefs. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue: If v6.x sites will=20 >>>>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed version 7.0 for=20 >>>>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> Kenneth Grome >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and xerces, >>>>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we built it >>>>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, though we >>>>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. Could you >>>>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, could >>>>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 admin >>>>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the better. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> sincerely, >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> - chris >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of version 7.0 >>>>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous versions of >>>>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce site just >>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client the other >>>>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his eCommerce site to >>>>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce capabilities. " >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> So here's the question: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include MySQL stuff, >>>>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between it and >>>>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, does this >>>>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not process >>>>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will generate this >>>>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, because the >>>>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". I think it >>>>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. I see >>>>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface too. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are >>>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list . >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us christophe.billiottet@webdna.us

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