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texte = --Apple-Mail-4-587044258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just for fun I went and looked at my old installation CD from Pacific = Coast Software. It has WebCatalog 3.0 and WebMerchant 3.0 on it and the = read me brags about how WebMerchant is now installed along with = WebCatalog. I originally bought this from Pacific Coast for my ISP because we needed = a shopping cart solution and the sales guy talked up the shopping cart. = That's what I thought I was getting Store Builder. Only later did I = realize what I had purchased was WAY more powerful than just a shopping = cart. Think it's time to get rid of the CD? Frank On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:21 PM, sal danna wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:53 PM, = wrote: > Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead = of working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an = "eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To = ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive = license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which = is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" = market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and = shows its age. >=20 > Actually, that is not what happened at all. Originally, the product = that did not have any Commerce functionality was called Typhoon. = WebCatalog has always been an e-commerce product from day one when it = only had one database called catalog.txt and was limited to only 27. =20 >=20 > WebCatalog 2 added the use of more than one database and it was = limited to 100.=20 >=20 > I think the purchase command was added to WebCatalog 3 and a separate = product named WebMerchant was sold as an add-on. This kept the Catalog = or store and the processing separate. =20 >=20 > WebCatalog 4 combined WebCatalog and WebMerchant into what is now = Storebuilder. >=20 > WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as = Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final = hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as = sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA = should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and = we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither. >=20 > During my last year at SMSI, I introduced them to the pay for click = advertising and the benefits of buying keywords. At first I had no = budget and was only given a few hundred dollars to play with and I had = to set it up myself, I was given a tag of SDPROMO to track the sales = from the key words I bought. =20 >=20 > I simply made a template for the products that were being advertised = by the keyword which included a simple post command to the checkout.tpl = page of a Storebuilder site and included SDPROMO=3DT. With no money, I = could only purchase the cheap words like those that were misspelled, but = those were also the best ones because you got way more ROI that the more = expensive keywords. Needless to say, SMSI I believe is still buying = those keywords, but sure if they are still using my template or not. >=20 > What's the point?? Before I was laid off, I proposed to SMSI that = they again Separate WebMerchant from WebDNA and offer it as a separate = solution either hosted or installed remotely. My idea was to re-brand = it as CheckOut Only allowing anyone using any e-commerce solution out = there to add credit card processing by simply creating a one page form = that posts to the checkout.tpl page. =20 >=20 > There are a lot of stores out there that don't have the processing = part and it is difficult to integrate and use the back end of those = addons. CheckOut Only would have been much more feasable if it ran on a = fcgi back then like it does now. This would be a great way to get = WebDNA out there side by side with PHP applications as well as possibly = generate revenue by offering to setup the merchant accounts along with = WebMerchant. >=20 > Just thought I would throw it out there!! >=20 > Sal >=20 > - chris >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote: >=20 > > "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... = Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent about 10 = hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores because of no = commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with it... It would = probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, then screw with = this all weekend... :-( > > > > Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying = having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find = workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... = then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I = guess once its done it will be a better solution... > > > > The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623. > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > > > >> Sorry, can't document this! :-) > >> > >> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with 7.0 = but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the = version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not = support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern = commerce application. > >> > >> - chris > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: > >> > >>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old ecommerence = tags? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Frank > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us = wrote: > >>> > >>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at = dev.webdna.us/products.html > >>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we replaced = "unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue) > >>>> > >>>> - chris > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the only tag > >>>>> in the page: > >>>>> > >>>>> [addlineitem > >>>>> cart=3D2&sku=3DGW9032&db=3Dcatalog.txt]quantity=3D1[/addlineitem] > >>>>> > >>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in the > >>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in "Unknown Preferences" > >>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown Security > >>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. It seems > >>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version name > >>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag cannot get > >>>>> the proper value from the software or the prefs. > >>>>> > >>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue: If v6.x sites will > >>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed version 7.0 for > >>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> Kenneth Grome > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and xerces, > >>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we built it > >>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, though we > >>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. Could you > >>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, could > >>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 admin > >>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the better. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> sincerely, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - chris > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome wrote: > >>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of version 7.0 > >>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous versions of > >>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce site just > >>>>>>> fine. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client the other > >>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his eCommerce site to > >>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce capabilities. " > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So here's the question: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include MySQL stuff, > >>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between it and > >>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, does this > >>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not process > >>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will generate this > >>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, because the > >>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". I think it > >>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. I see > >>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface too. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>>> Kenneth Grome > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are > >>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list . > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>> the mailing list . > >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>> the mailing list . > >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >> the mailing list . > >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail-4-587044258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Just = for fun I went and looked at my old installation CD from Pacific Coast = Software. It has WebCatalog 3.0 and WebMerchant 3.0 on it and the read = me brags about how WebMerchant is now installed along with = WebCatalog.

I originally bought this from Pacific = Coast for my ISP because we needed a shopping cart solution and the = sales guy talked up the shopping cart.  That's what I thought I was = getting Store Builder.  Only later did I realize what I had = purchased was WAY more powerful than just a shopping = cart.

Think it's time to get rid of the = CD?

Frank


On = Feb 10, 2012, at 3:21 PM, sal danna wrote:


On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:53 PM, <christophe.billiottet@webd= na.us> wrote:
Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead of = working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an = "eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To = ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive = license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which = is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" = market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and = shows its age.

Actually, that is not what happened at all.  = Originally, the product that did not have any Commerce functionality was = called Typhoon.  WebCatalog has always been an e-commerce product = from day one when it only had one database called catalog.txt and was = limited to only 27. 

WebCatalog 2 added the use of more than one database and it was = limited to 100.

I think the purchase command was added to = WebCatalog 3 and a separate product named WebMerchant was sold as an = add-on.  This kept the Catalog or store and the processing = separate. 

WebCatalog 4 combined WebCatalog and WebMerchant into what is now = Storebuilder.

WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as = Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final = hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as = sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA = should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and = we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither.

During my last year at SMSI, I introduced them to = the pay for click advertising and the benefits of buying keywords. At = first I had no budget and was only given a few hundred dollars to play = with and I had to set it up myself,  I was given a tag of SDPROMO = to track the sales from the key words I bought. 

I simply made a template for the products that were being advertised = by the keyword which included a simple post command to the checkout.tpl = page of a Storebuilder site and included SDPROMO=3DT.  With no = money, I could only purchase the cheap words like those that were = misspelled, but those were also the best ones because you got way more = ROI that the more expensive keywords.  Needless to say, SMSI I = believe is still buying those keywords, but sure if they are still using = my template or not.

What's the point??  Before I was laid off, I proposed to SMSI = that they again Separate WebMerchant from WebDNA and offer it as a = separate solution either hosted or installed remotely.  My idea was = to re-brand it as CheckOut Only allowing anyone using any e-commerce = solution out there to add credit card processing by simply creating a = one page form that posts to the checkout.tpl page. 

There are a lot of stores out there that don't have the processing = part and it is difficult to integrate and use the back end of those = addons.  CheckOut Only would have been much more feasable if it ran = on a fcgi back then like it does now.  This would be a great way to = get WebDNA out there side by side with PHP applications as well as = possibly generate revenue by offering to setup the merchant accounts = along with WebMerchant.

 Just thought I would throw it out = there!!

Sal

- chris




On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote:

> "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... =  Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent = about 10 hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores = because of no commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with = it... It would probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, = then screw with this all weekend... :-(
>
> Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying = having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find = workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... = then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I = guess once its done it will be a better solution...
>
> The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623.
>
> Rob
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webd= na.us wrote:
>
>> Sorry, can't document this! :-)
>>
>> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with = 7.0 but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the = version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not = support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern = commerce application.
>>
>> - chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote:
>>
>>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old = ecommerence tags?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webd= na.us wrote:
>>>
>>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at = dev.webdna.us/products.html
>>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we = replaced "unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue)
>>>>
>>>> - chris
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the = only tag
>>>>> in the page:
>>>>>
>>>>> [addlineitem
>>>>> = cart=3D2&sku=3DGW9032&db=3Dcatalog.txt]quantity=3D1[/addlineitem]<= br> >>>>>
>>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in = the
>>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in  "<title>Unknown = Preferences</title>"
>>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown = Security
>>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. =  It seems
>>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version = name
>>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag = cannot get
>>>>> the proper value from the software or the = prefs.
>>>>>
>>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue:  If = v6.x sites will
>>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed = version 7.0 for
>>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Kenneth Grome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and = xerces,
>>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we = built it
>>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, = though we
>>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. = Could you
>>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, = could
>>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 = admin
>>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the = better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome = wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of = version 7.0
>>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous = versions of
>>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce = site just
>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client = the other
>>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his = eCommerce site to
>>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce = capabilities. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So here's the question:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include = MySQL stuff,
>>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between = it and
>>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, = does this
>>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not = process
>>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will = generate this
>>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, = because the
>>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". =  I think it
>>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. =  I see
>>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface = too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome
>>>>>>> = -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you = are
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>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <talk-leave@webdna.us>
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  1. [WebDNA] WebDNA History (frank@cwolfe.com 2012)
--Apple-Mail-4-587044258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just for fun I went and looked at my old installation CD from Pacific = Coast Software. It has WebCatalog 3.0 and WebMerchant 3.0 on it and the = read me brags about how WebMerchant is now installed along with = WebCatalog. I originally bought this from Pacific Coast for my ISP because we needed = a shopping cart solution and the sales guy talked up the shopping cart. = That's what I thought I was getting Store Builder. Only later did I = realize what I had purchased was WAY more powerful than just a shopping = cart. Think it's time to get rid of the CD? Frank On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:21 PM, sal danna wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:53 PM, = wrote: > Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead = of working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an = "eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To = ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive = license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which = is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" = market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and = shows its age. >=20 > Actually, that is not what happened at all. Originally, the product = that did not have any Commerce functionality was called Typhoon. = WebCatalog has always been an e-commerce product from day one when it = only had one database called catalog.txt and was limited to only 27. =20 >=20 > WebCatalog 2 added the use of more than one database and it was = limited to 100.=20 >=20 > I think the purchase command was added to WebCatalog 3 and a separate = product named WebMerchant was sold as an add-on. This kept the Catalog = or store and the processing separate. =20 >=20 > WebCatalog 4 combined WebCatalog and WebMerchant into what is now = Storebuilder. >=20 > WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as = Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final = hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as = sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA = should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and = we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither. >=20 > During my last year at SMSI, I introduced them to the pay for click = advertising and the benefits of buying keywords. At first I had no = budget and was only given a few hundred dollars to play with and I had = to set it up myself, I was given a tag of SDPROMO to track the sales = from the key words I bought. =20 >=20 > I simply made a template for the products that were being advertised = by the keyword which included a simple post command to the checkout.tpl = page of a Storebuilder site and included SDPROMO=3DT. With no money, I = could only purchase the cheap words like those that were misspelled, but = those were also the best ones because you got way more ROI that the more = expensive keywords. Needless to say, SMSI I believe is still buying = those keywords, but sure if they are still using my template or not. >=20 > What's the point?? Before I was laid off, I proposed to SMSI that = they again Separate WebMerchant from WebDNA and offer it as a separate = solution either hosted or installed remotely. My idea was to re-brand = it as CheckOut Only allowing anyone using any e-commerce solution out = there to add credit card processing by simply creating a one page form = that posts to the checkout.tpl page. =20 >=20 > There are a lot of stores out there that don't have the processing = part and it is difficult to integrate and use the back end of those = addons. CheckOut Only would have been much more feasable if it ran on a = fcgi back then like it does now. This would be a great way to get = WebDNA out there side by side with PHP applications as well as possibly = generate revenue by offering to setup the merchant accounts along with = WebMerchant. >=20 > Just thought I would throw it out there!! >=20 > Sal >=20 > - chris >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote: >=20 > > "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... = Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent about 10 = hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores because of no = commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with it... It would = probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, then screw with = this all weekend... :-( > > > > Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying = having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find = workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... = then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I = guess once its done it will be a better solution... > > > > The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623. > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > > > >> Sorry, can't document this! :-) > >> > >> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with 7.0 = but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the = version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not = support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern = commerce application. > >> > >> - chris > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: > >> > >>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old ecommerence = tags? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Frank > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us = wrote: > >>> > >>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at = dev.webdna.us/products.html > >>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we replaced = "unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue) > >>>> > >>>> - chris > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the only tag > >>>>> in the page: > >>>>> > >>>>> [addlineitem > >>>>> cart=3D2&sku=3DGW9032&db=3Dcatalog.txt]quantity=3D1[/addlineitem] > >>>>> > >>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in the > >>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in "Unknown Preferences" > >>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown Security > >>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. It seems > >>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version name > >>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag cannot get > >>>>> the proper value from the software or the prefs. > >>>>> > >>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue: If v6.x sites will > >>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed version 7.0 for > >>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> Kenneth Grome > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and xerces, > >>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we built it > >>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, though we > >>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. Could you > >>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, could > >>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 admin > >>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the better. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> sincerely, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - chris > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome wrote: > >>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of version 7.0 > >>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous versions of > >>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce site just > >>>>>>> fine. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client the other > >>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his eCommerce site to > >>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce capabilities. " > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So here's the question: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include MySQL stuff, > >>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between it and > >>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, does this > >>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not process > >>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will generate this > >>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, because the > >>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". I think it > >>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. I see > >>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface too. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>>> Kenneth Grome > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are > >>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list . > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>> the mailing list . > >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>> the mailing list . > >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >> the mailing list . > >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail-4-587044258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Just = for fun I went and looked at my old installation CD from Pacific Coast = Software. It has WebCatalog 3.0 and WebMerchant 3.0 on it and the read = me brags about how WebMerchant is now installed along with = WebCatalog.

I originally bought this from Pacific = Coast for my ISP because we needed a shopping cart solution and the = sales guy talked up the shopping cart.  That's what I thought I was = getting Store Builder.  Only later did I realize what I had = purchased was WAY more powerful than just a shopping = cart.

Think it's time to get rid of the = CD?

Frank


On = Feb 10, 2012, at 3:21 PM, sal danna wrote:


On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:53 PM, <christophe.billiottet@webd= na.us> wrote:
Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead of = working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an = "eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To = ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive = license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which = is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" = market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and = shows its age.

Actually, that is not what happened at all.  = Originally, the product that did not have any Commerce functionality was = called Typhoon.  WebCatalog has always been an e-commerce product = from day one when it only had one database called catalog.txt and was = limited to only 27. 

WebCatalog 2 added the use of more than one database and it was = limited to 100.

I think the purchase command was added to = WebCatalog 3 and a separate product named WebMerchant was sold as an = add-on.  This kept the Catalog or store and the processing = separate. 

WebCatalog 4 combined WebCatalog and WebMerchant into what is now = Storebuilder.

WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as = Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final = hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as = sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA = should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and = we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither.

During my last year at SMSI, I introduced them to = the pay for click advertising and the benefits of buying keywords. At = first I had no budget and was only given a few hundred dollars to play = with and I had to set it up myself,  I was given a tag of SDPROMO = to track the sales from the key words I bought. 

I simply made a template for the products that were being advertised = by the keyword which included a simple post command to the checkout.tpl = page of a Storebuilder site and included SDPROMO=3DT.  With no = money, I could only purchase the cheap words like those that were = misspelled, but those were also the best ones because you got way more = ROI that the more expensive keywords.  Needless to say, SMSI I = believe is still buying those keywords, but sure if they are still using = my template or not.

What's the point??  Before I was laid off, I proposed to SMSI = that they again Separate WebMerchant from WebDNA and offer it as a = separate solution either hosted or installed remotely.  My idea was = to re-brand it as CheckOut Only allowing anyone using any e-commerce = solution out there to add credit card processing by simply creating a = one page form that posts to the checkout.tpl page. 

There are a lot of stores out there that don't have the processing = part and it is difficult to integrate and use the back end of those = addons.  CheckOut Only would have been much more feasable if it ran = on a fcgi back then like it does now.  This would be a great way to = get WebDNA out there side by side with PHP applications as well as = possibly generate revenue by offering to setup the merchant accounts = along with WebMerchant.

 Just thought I would throw it out = there!!

Sal

- chris




On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote:

> "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... =  Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent = about 10 hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores = because of no commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with = it... It would probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, = then screw with this all weekend... :-(
>
> Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying = having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find = workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... = then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I = guess once its done it will be a better solution...
>
> The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623.
>
> Rob
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webd= na.us wrote:
>
>> Sorry, can't document this! :-)
>>
>> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with = 7.0 but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the = version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not = support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern = commerce application.
>>
>> - chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote:
>>
>>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old = ecommerence tags?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webd= na.us wrote:
>>>
>>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at = dev.webdna.us/products.html
>>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we = replaced "unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue)
>>>>
>>>> - chris
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the = only tag
>>>>> in the page:
>>>>>
>>>>> [addlineitem
>>>>> = cart=3D2&sku=3DGW9032&db=3Dcatalog.txt]quantity=3D1[/addlineitem]<= br> >>>>>
>>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in = the
>>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in  "<title>Unknown = Preferences</title>"
>>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown = Security
>>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. =  It seems
>>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version = name
>>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag = cannot get
>>>>> the proper value from the software or the = prefs.
>>>>>
>>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue:  If = v6.x sites will
>>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed = version 7.0 for
>>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Kenneth Grome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and = xerces,
>>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we = built it
>>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, = though we
>>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. = Could you
>>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, = could
>>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 = admin
>>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the = better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome = wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of = version 7.0
>>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous = versions of
>>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce = site just
>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client = the other
>>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his = eCommerce site to
>>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce = capabilities. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So here's the question:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include = MySQL stuff,
>>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between = it and
>>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, = does this
>>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not = process
>>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will = generate this
>>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, = because the
>>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". =  I think it
>>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. =  I see
>>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface = too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome
>>>>>>> = -------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us
>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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