Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work?

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2013


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 110539
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texte = --Apple-Mail=_7DCF9B23-B053-420A-A256-4C89D3ADC86D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 As best I can tell, it looks like I will try to keep 6.x running on the = winbox for as long as possible. I have countless lines of code that are all built solely around=20 [SQL dsn=3DDSNname&username=3DUser&password=3DPass&statement=3Dselect * = from vi_hardware_tags_condition where R_hdweOwnerID =3D '[owner]' And = tagtitle =3D'[format 0.0f][tag][/format]' AND asset =3D '1';] and similar lines of code. Hell the one I am actively coding today is a = helpdesk system with a single webpage having 5,000 lines of of = DNA/html/css. I am not sure what the breakdown of DNA to html is exactly = but there are 195 [sql] tags on the one page. Figure the entire system = is ~100 individual web pages and you start realizing you will never port = it :P I'm hopeful, but until then I will just keep the IIS server running and = figure out what to do going forward. Alex On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:19 PM, WebDNA wrote: > I would really love to see the SQL (ODBC) connectivity developed for = the latest Linux WebDNA - then we would really be in business !! >=20 >=20 > Regards >=20 > Stuart Tremain > IDFK Web Developments > AUSTRALIA > webdna@idfk.com.au >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 02/08/2013, at 2:49 AM, Alex McCombie = wrote: >=20 >> Actually it depends. >> On most moderate sized data sets I would definitely get the speed = advantage to WebDNA. It's ram based after all. >>=20 >> But once we start talking millions of records or hundreds of = thousands of text blobs I find that SQL outperforms it when the data is = designed and indexed properly. Especially when you take into account = specifically designed Views in SQL which and eliminate great amounts of = recursive searching. >>=20 >> SQL isn't really about the speed comparison though. >>=20 >> SQL is an enterprise solution with robust backup and recovery = options. Restore to a particular moment is time is something that you = would be hard pressed to do with DNA. >> Even more important than that is the connectivity of SQL via ODBC to = so many sources. >>=20 >> For example. I have one system that is DNA fronted with a SQL = backend. >> There are also multiple users in the SQL database that are connecting = to the data via Excel, Filemaker and Sharepoint. All getting live data = that is in turn reflected on the web via WebDNA. >>=20 >> With DNA data, essentially you have the ability to connect the one = front end web application you build. And for most applications that = suffices. But with SQL back ended systems we have replicated servers = happening between physical locations. Multiple web products (different = servers) connecting to shared datasets. Applications like Filemaker and = Access connecting and working on the data, all in shared ways. >>=20 >> We will be moving to FMGO applications as well so iPads can have = client access to data. >>=20 >> All of this really doesn't have anything to do with WebDNA, but I = still think it's one of the best rapid development syntax's around for = web development.=20 >>=20 >> I will go to PHP kicking and screaming one day most likely but with = WebDNA connecting to SQL via ODBC I have managed to delay that for 9 = years now :-)=20 >>=20 >> Still fighting the good fight :-) >>=20 >> HTH >> Alex >>=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Suzanne Swift = wrote: >>=20 >>> Thanks Alex. Your post brings up an unrelated question...what is = the advantage of using MS SQL data in combination with WebDNA databases. = Is it faster? >>>=20 >>> Kind regards, >>> Suzanne Swift >>> President >>> Spec Simple, Inc. >>>=20 >>> SpecSimple.com >>> Where the World of Design Connects >>>=20 >>> Read about SpecSimple.com's Virtual Library in OfficeInsight >>> See the Info Edge difference! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Alex McCombie = wrote: >>> Webdna is used on some NYS Public school sites such as >>> Oswego County Boces >>> www.OswegoBoces.org >>>=20 >>> There are 2 other school districts in this county under development. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> It's also driving some private school sites such as >>> Syracuse Center Of Excellence >>> www.SyracuseCOE.org >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> All the sites are developed using WebDNA and are data driven from MS = SQL data in combination with WebDNA databases acting as high performance = conduits for searching. >>>=20 >>> HTH >>> Alex >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Suzanne Swift = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi all, >>>>=20 >>>> I'm pitching a WebDNA project to the US State Department and they = want to know if DOD or any other US gov/military agency has ever used = WebDNA on a project. If there is precedence, the chances of getting = WebDNA approved for government use on a State Dept project is much = greater. =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Has anyone on the talk list ever done a government project (DOD or = otherwise) with WebDNA? >>>>=20 >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Suzanne Swift >>>> President >>>> Spec Simple, Inc. >>>>=20 >>>> SpecSimple.com >>>> Where the World of Design Connects >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_7DCF9B23-B053-420A-A256-4C89D3ADC86D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 As = best I can tell, it looks like I will try to keep 6.x running on the = winbox for as long as possible.
I have countless lines of code that = are all built solely around 
[SQL = dsn=3DDSNname&username=3DUser&password=3DPass&statement=3Dsele= ct * from vi_hardware_tags_condition where R_hdweOwnerID =3D '[owner]' = And tagtitle =3D'[format 0.0f][tag][/format]'  AND asset =3D = '1';]

and similar lines of code. Hell the one I = am actively coding today is a helpdesk system with a single webpage = having 5,000 lines of of DNA/html/css. I am not sure what the breakdown = of DNA to html is exactly but there are 195 [sql] tags on the one page. = Figure the entire system is ~100 individual web pages and you start = realizing you will never port it = :P



I'm hopeful, = but until then I will just keep the IIS server running and figure out = what to do going = forward.

Alex


=


On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:19 PM, = WebDNA <webdna@idfk.com.au> = wrote:

I = would really love to see the SQL (ODBC) connectivity developed for the = latest Linux WebDNA - then we would really be in business = !!


Regards

Stuart = Tremain
IDFK Web Developments
AUSTRALIA




On 02/08/2013, at 2:49 AM, Alex McCombie <info@adventureskies.com> = wrote:

Actually it depends.
On most moderate sized data sets I would = definitely get the speed advantage to WebDNA. It's ram based after = all.

But once we start talking millions of = records or hundreds of thousands of text blobs I find that SQL = outperforms it when the data is designed and indexed properly. = Especially when you take into account specifically designed Views in SQL = which and eliminate great amounts of recursive = searching.

SQL isn't really about the speed = comparison though.

SQL is an enterprise = solution with robust backup and recovery options. Restore to a = particular moment is time is something that you would be hard pressed to = do with DNA.
Even more important than that is the connectivity = of SQL via ODBC to so many sources.

For = example. I have one system that is DNA fronted with a SQL = backend.
There are also multiple users in the SQL database = that are connecting to the data via Excel, Filemaker and Sharepoint. All = getting live data that is in turn reflected on the web via = WebDNA.

With DNA data, essentially you have the = ability to connect the one front end web application you build. And for = most applications that suffices. But with SQL back ended systems we have = replicated servers happening between physical locations. Multiple web = products (different servers) connecting to shared datasets. Applications = like Filemaker and Access connecting and working on the data, all in = shared ways.

We will be moving to FMGO = applications as well so iPads can have client access to = data.

All of this really doesn't have anything = to do with WebDNA, but I still think it's one of the best rapid = development syntax's around for web = development. 

I will go to PHP kicking and = screaming one day most likely but with WebDNA connecting to SQL via ODBC = I have managed to delay that for 9 years now = :-) 

Still fighting the good fight = :-)

HTH
Alex

<= br>
On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Suzanne Swift <suzanne@specsimple.com> = wrote:

Thanks = Alex.  Your post brings up an unrelated question...what is the = advantage of using MS SQL data in combination with WebDNA databases. =  Is it faster?

Kind = regards,
Suzanne Swift
President
Spec Simple, Inc.

SpecSimple.com
Where the World of Design Connects

Read about SpecSimple.com's Virtual Library in OfficeInsight
See the Info Edge difference!<= /font>



On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Alex = McCombie <info@adventureskies.com> = wrote:
Webdna is used on some NYS Public = school sites such as
Oswego County Boces

There are 2 other school districts in this county under = development.


It's also driving = some private school sites such as
Syracuse Center Of = Excellence


All the sites are developed using = WebDNA and are data driven from MS SQL data in combination with WebDNA = databases acting as high performance conduits for = searching.

HTH
Alex




On Jul 31, = 2013, at 2:02 PM, Suzanne Swift <suzanne@specsimple.com> wrote:

Hi = all,

I'm pitching a WebDNA project = to the US State Department and they want to know if DOD or any other US = gov/military agency has ever used WebDNA on a = project. If there is precedence, the chances of getting WebDNA approved = for government use on a State Dept project is much greater.  

Has = anyone on the talk list ever done a government project (DOD or = otherwise) with WebDNA?

Kind = regards,
Suzanne Swift
President
Spec Simple, Inc.

SpecSimple.com
Where the World of Design = Connects


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  1. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (Alex McCombie 2013)
  2. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (WebDNA 2013)
  3. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (John Butler 2013)
  4. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (Alex McCombie 2013)
  5. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (Suzanne Swift 2013)
  6. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (Alex McCombie 2013)
  7. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (Jym Duane 2013)
  8. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (Suzanne Swift 2013)
  9. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (Jym Duane 2013)
  10. Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (John Butler 2013)
  11. [WebDNA] WebDNA used in US Government work? (Suzanne Swift 2013)
--Apple-Mail=_7DCF9B23-B053-420A-A256-4C89D3ADC86D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 As best I can tell, it looks like I will try to keep 6.x running on the = winbox for as long as possible. I have countless lines of code that are all built solely around=20 [SQL dsn=3DDSNname&username=3DUser&password=3DPass&statement=3Dselect * = from vi_hardware_tags_condition where R_hdweOwnerID =3D '[owner]' And = tagtitle =3D'[format 0.0f][tag][/format]' AND asset =3D '1';] and similar lines of code. Hell the one I am actively coding today is a = helpdesk system with a single webpage having 5,000 lines of of = DNA/html/css. I am not sure what the breakdown of DNA to html is exactly = but there are 195 [SQL] tags on the one page. Figure the entire system = is ~100 individual web pages and you start realizing you will never port = it :P I'm hopeful, but until then I will just keep the IIS server running and = figure out what to do going forward. Alex On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:19 PM, WebDNA wrote: > I would really love to see the SQL (ODBC) connectivity developed for = the latest Linux WebDNA - then we would really be in business !! >=20 >=20 > Regards >=20 > Stuart Tremain > IDFK Web Developments > AUSTRALIA > webdna@idfk.com.au >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 02/08/2013, at 2:49 AM, Alex McCombie = wrote: >=20 >> Actually it depends. >> On most moderate sized data sets I would definitely get the speed = advantage to WebDNA. It's ram based after all. >>=20 >> But once we start talking millions of records or hundreds of = thousands of text blobs I find that SQL outperforms it when the data is = designed and indexed properly. Especially when you take into account = specifically designed Views in SQL which and eliminate great amounts of = recursive searching. >>=20 >> SQL isn't really about the speed comparison though. >>=20 >> SQL is an enterprise solution with robust backup and recovery = options. Restore to a particular moment is time is something that you = would be hard pressed to do with DNA. >> Even more important than that is the connectivity of SQL via ODBC to = so many sources. >>=20 >> For example. I have one system that is DNA fronted with a SQL = backend. >> There are also multiple users in the SQL database that are connecting = to the data via Excel, Filemaker and Sharepoint. All getting live data = that is in turn reflected on the web via WebDNA. >>=20 >> With DNA data, essentially you have the ability to connect the one = front end web application you build. And for most applications that = suffices. But with SQL back ended systems we have replicated servers = happening between physical locations. Multiple web products (different = servers) connecting to shared datasets. Applications like Filemaker and = Access connecting and working on the data, all in shared ways. >>=20 >> We will be moving to FMGO applications as well so iPads can have = client access to data. >>=20 >> All of this really doesn't have anything to do with WebDNA, but I = still think it's one of the best rapid development syntax's around for = web development.=20 >>=20 >> I will go to PHP kicking and screaming one day most likely but with = WebDNA connecting to SQL via ODBC I have managed to delay that for 9 = years now :-)=20 >>=20 >> Still fighting the good fight :-) >>=20 >> HTH >> Alex >>=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Suzanne Swift = wrote: >>=20 >>> Thanks Alex. Your post brings up an unrelated question...what is = the advantage of using MS SQL data in combination with WebDNA databases. = Is it faster? >>>=20 >>> Kind regards, >>> Suzanne Swift >>> President >>> Spec Simple, Inc. >>>=20 >>> SpecSimple.com >>> Where the World of Design Connects >>>=20 >>> Read about SpecSimple.com's Virtual Library in OfficeInsight >>> See the Info Edge difference! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Alex McCombie = wrote: >>> Webdna is used on some NYS Public school sites such as >>> Oswego County Boces >>> www.OswegoBoces.org >>>=20 >>> There are 2 other school districts in this county under development. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> It's also driving some private school sites such as >>> Syracuse Center Of Excellence >>> www.SyracuseCOE.org >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> All the sites are developed using WebDNA and are data driven from MS = SQL data in combination with WebDNA databases acting as high performance = conduits for searching. >>>=20 >>> HTH >>> Alex >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Suzanne Swift = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi all, >>>>=20 >>>> I'm pitching a WebDNA project to the US State Department and they = want to know if DOD or any other US gov/military agency has ever used = WebDNA on a project. If there is precedence, the chances of getting = WebDNA approved for government use on a State Dept project is much = greater. =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Has anyone on the Talk List ever done a government project (DOD or = otherwise) with WebDNA? >>>>=20 >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Suzanne Swift >>>> President >>>> Spec Simple, Inc. >>>>=20 >>>> SpecSimple.com >>>> Where the World of Design Connects >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_7DCF9B23-B053-420A-A256-4C89D3ADC86D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 As = best I can tell, it looks like I will try to keep 6.x running on the = winbox for as long as possible.
I have countless lines of code that = are all built solely around 
[SQL = dsn=3DDSNname&username=3DUser&password=3DPass&statement=3Dsele= ct * from vi_hardware_tags_condition where R_hdweOwnerID =3D '[owner]' = And tagtitle =3D'[format 0.0f][tag][/format]'  AND asset =3D = '1';]

and similar lines of code. Hell the one I = am actively coding today is a helpdesk system with a single webpage = having 5,000 lines of of DNA/html/css. I am not sure what the breakdown = of DNA to html is exactly but there are 195 [SQL] tags on the one page. = Figure the entire system is ~100 individual web pages and you start = realizing you will never port it = :P



I'm hopeful, = but until then I will just keep the IIS server running and figure out = what to do going = forward.

Alex


=


On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:19 PM, = WebDNA <webdna@idfk.com.au> = wrote:

I = would really love to see the SQL (ODBC) connectivity developed for the = latest Linux WebDNA - then we would really be in business = !!


Regards

Stuart = Tremain
IDFK Web Developments
AUSTRALIA




On 02/08/2013, at 2:49 AM, Alex McCombie <info@adventureskies.com> = wrote:

Actually it depends.
On most moderate sized data sets I would = definitely get the speed advantage to WebDNA. It's ram based after = all.

But once we start talking millions of = records or hundreds of thousands of text blobs I find that SQL = outperforms it when the data is designed and indexed properly. = Especially when you take into account specifically designed Views in SQL = which and eliminate great amounts of recursive = searching.

SQL isn't really about the speed = comparison though.

SQL is an enterprise = solution with robust backup and recovery options. Restore to a = particular moment is time is something that you would be hard pressed to = do with DNA.
Even more important than that is the connectivity = of SQL via ODBC to so many sources.

For = example. I have one system that is DNA fronted with a SQL = backend.
There are also multiple users in the SQL database = that are connecting to the data via Excel, Filemaker and Sharepoint. All = getting live data that is in turn reflected on the web via = WebDNA.

With DNA data, essentially you have the = ability to connect the one front end web application you build. And for = most applications that suffices. But with SQL back ended systems we have = replicated servers happening between physical locations. Multiple web = products (different servers) connecting to shared datasets. Applications = like Filemaker and Access connecting and working on the data, all in = shared ways.

We will be moving to FMGO = applications as well so iPads can have client access to = data.

All of this really doesn't have anything = to do with WebDNA, but I still think it's one of the best rapid = development syntax's around for web = development. 

I will go to PHP kicking and = screaming one day most likely but with WebDNA connecting to SQL via ODBC = I have managed to delay that for 9 years now = :-) 

Still fighting the good fight = :-)

HTH
Alex

<= br>
On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Suzanne Swift <suzanne@specsimple.com> = wrote:

Thanks = Alex.  Your post brings up an unrelated question...what is the = advantage of using MS SQL data in combination with WebDNA databases. =  Is it faster?

Kind = regards,
Suzanne Swift
President
Spec Simple, Inc.

SpecSimple.com
Where the World of Design Connects

Read about SpecSimple.com's Virtual Library in OfficeInsight
See the Info Edge difference!<= /font>



On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Alex = McCombie <info@adventureskies.com> = wrote:
Webdna is used on some NYS Public = school sites such as
Oswego County Boces

There are 2 other school districts in this county under = development.


It's also driving = some private school sites such as
Syracuse Center Of = Excellence


All the sites are developed using = WebDNA and are data driven from MS SQL data in combination with WebDNA = databases acting as high performance conduits for = searching.

HTH
Alex




On Jul 31, = 2013, at 2:02 PM, Suzanne Swift <suzanne@specsimple.com> wrote:

Hi = all,

I'm pitching a WebDNA project = to the US State Department and they want to know if DOD or any other US = gov/military agency has ever used WebDNA on a = project. If there is precedence, the chances of getting WebDNA approved = for government use on a State Dept project is much greater.  

Has = anyone on the Talk List ever done a government project (DOD or = otherwise) with WebDNA?

Kind = regards,
Suzanne Swift
President
Spec Simple, Inc.

SpecSimple.com
Where the World of Design = Connects


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