Re: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA server not running - September 2019 Edition

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2019


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 114738
interpreted = N
texte = 2363 --Apple-Mail=_745E2C8F-357B-4119-A5E5-12F4A5DB7FE1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That didn=E2=80=99t help me.. your ulimit must be set to unlimited. > 4294438855 + > 528424 =3D 4,294,967,296, which is the max memory usage for 64bit memory.=20 Have to run=E2=80=A6=20 I would say check your WebDNA error logs and maybe make sure you don=E2=80= =99t have a folder with lots of files in it. D > On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:51 PM, H - Powerpalle = wrote: >=20 > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused = Mounted on > /dev/disk0s2 297Gi 20Gi 277Gi 7% 528424 4294438855 0% / > devfs 179Ki 179Ki 0Bi 100% 621 0 100% = /dev > map -hosts 0Bi 0Bi 0Bi 100% 0 0 100% = /net > map auto_home 0Bi 0Bi 0Bi 100% 0 0 100% = /home >=20 >=20 >> On 13 Sep 2019, at 20.43, Donovan Brooke > wrote: >>=20 >> Palle, open a terminal and send over the output of: >>=20 >> df -hi >>=20 >> Donovan >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:40 PM, H - Powerpalle = > wrote: >>>=20 >>> macOS 10.13.6 >>> High Sierra >>>=20 >>> I will look into those to leads=E2=80=A6 Thanks >>>=20 >>>> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-nginx-too-many-open-files/ = >>> How can this be related to WebDNA? Or how can I make sure WebDNA = cleans up after use=E2=80=A6? >>>=20 >>> /Palle >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 20.29, Donovan Brooke > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> You may want to look at: >>>> 1.) if you have lots of files in a directory >>>> 2.) inode limits. >>>>=20 >>>> You may also want to turn on WebDNA Error Reporting and look at = those logs >>>> (You didn=E2=80=99t state your platform / OS) >>>>=20 >>>> http://webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D112121 = >>>>=20 >>>> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-nginx-too-many-open-files/ = >>>>=20 >>>> Donovan >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:24 PM, H - Powerpalle = > wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Evenin=E2=80=99 all >>>>>=20 >>>>> So once again my server is outputting a blank page with =E2=80=9CSor= ry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D approx. 1/10 of the times it = serves a page. The server has done so before and I have never figured = out why it happens and why it goes away. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This time around I have noticed the following in my Console while = it happens (see attached screenshot). Does the error indicate anything = which can identify the root-cause of the "Sorry WebDNA server not = running=E2=80=9D -issue? I have not clue as to what these error messages = tries to tell me=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> ##### SNIP - FROM THE CONSOLE ##### >>>>>=20 >>>>> error19:19:55.957707 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:07.383443 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:07.383442 +0200WebCatalogConnection to = 'pboard' server had an error: { count =3D 1, = transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:07.403490 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:17.729179 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:17.729191 +0200WebCatalogConnection to = 'pboard' server had an error: { count =3D 1, = transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:17.749345 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:28.088124 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:28.088131 +0200WebCatalogConnection to = 'pboard' server had an error: { count =3D 1, = transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:28.109856 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> default19:20:38.163028 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:20:48.214130 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:20:58.245949 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:08.312843 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:18.359051 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:28.428295 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:38.454556 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>>=20 >>>>> ##### SNIP - FROM THE CONSOLE - END ##### >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The first error type is happening just after the server has been = restartet. The second error type is happening approx. one hour after = restart. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is happening within the first hour of operation >>>>> When observing the following error in the console, the server is = outputting either a correct webpage or a =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server = not running=E2=80=9D >>>>>=20 >>>>> error19:15:01.834622 +0200WebCatalogConnection to = =E2=80=98pboard=E2=80=99... >>>>> error19:15:01.855057 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPaste... >>>>> error19:15:12.145796 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPaste=E2=80=A6 >>>>> etc=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is happens after apex. one hour of operation >>>>> When observing the following error in the console, the server is = outputting a lot of =E2=80=9CDatabase file could not be found or = opened=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D. = And it does not return to normal operation unless the server is = restarted. >>>>>=20 >>>>> default19:20:38.163028 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:20:48.214130 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:20:58.245949 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:08.312843 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:18.359051 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:28.428295 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:38.454556 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> etc... >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On a side note=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>> So I have noticed the following=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Chris (back in time) wrote: =E2=80=9C...This is certainly due to = the fact that WebDNAMonitor is not running. This small application keeps = the main WebDNA up, and restarts it in case of crash or server = down=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D >>>>>=20 >>>>> So when my server outputs the =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not = running=E2=80=9D I have noticed that my WebDNA Monitor application = disappears from my Activity Monitor listing. So the question is, why = does WebDNA Monitor not run in a situation like this - something is = killing it, why? >>>>>=20 >>>>> /Palle >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>> Donovan Brooke >>>> Owner - EUCA >>>> (608) 770-3822 >>>>=20 >>>> 355 E State St. APT 8 >>>> Iola, WI 54945 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >> Donovan Brooke >> Owner - EUCA >> (608) 770-3822 >>=20 >> 355 E State St. APT 8 >> Iola, WI 54945 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us Donovan Brooke Owner - EUCA (608) 770-3822 355 E State St. APT 8 Iola, WI 54945 --Apple-Mail=_745E2C8F-357B-4119-A5E5-12F4A5DB7FE1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 That = didn=E2=80=99t help me.. your ulimit must be set to unlimited.
4294438855
+
528424
=3D 4,294= ,967,296, which is the max memory usage for 64bit = memory. 

Have to run=E2=80=A6 

I would say check your WebDNA error = logs and maybe make sure you don=E2=80=99t have a folder with lots of = files in it.

D



On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:51 PM, H - Powerpalle <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

Filesystem      Size   Used  Avail = Capacity iused      ifree %iused  Mounted = on
/dev/disk0s2   297Gi   20Gi  277Gi   =   7%  528424 4294438855    0%   = /
devfs          179Ki  = 179Ki    0Bi   100%     621      =     0  100%   /dev
map -hosts       0Bi    0Bi  =   0Bi   100%       0        =   0  100%   /net
map = auto_home    0Bi    0Bi    0Bi   100% =       0          0  100% =   /home


On 13 Sep 2019, at 20.43, = Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:

Palle, open a terminal = and send over the output of:

df -hi

Donovan



On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:40 PM, H = - Powerpalle <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

macOS 10.13.6
High Sierra

I will look into those to leads=E2=80=A6 Thanks


How = can this be related to WebDNA? Or how can I make sure WebDNA cleans up = after use=E2=80=A6?

/Palle


On 13 = Sep 2019, at 20.29, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:

You may want to look = at:
1.) if you have lots of files in a = directory
2.) inode limits.

You may also want to turn on WebDNA = Error Reporting and look at those logs
(You = didn=E2=80=99t state your platform / OS)

http://webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D112121

https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-nginx-too-many-open-fi= les/

Donovan






On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:24 PM, H - Powerpalle <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

Evenin=E2=80=99 all

So once again my server is outputting a = blank page with =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D = approx. 1/10 of the times it serves a page. The server has done so = before and I have never figured out why it happens and why it goes = away.

This = time around I have noticed the following in my Console while it happens = (see attached screenshot). Does the error indicate anything which can = identify the root-cause of the "Sorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D = -issue? I have not clue as to what these error messages tries to tell = me=E2=80=A6


##### SNIP - FROM THE CONSOLE = #####

error19:19:55.957707 +0200= WebCatalog= Failed to set up CFPasteboardRef = 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> = { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D
= "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { = length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" }
}
error19:20:07.383443 +0200= WebCatalog= Failed to set up CFPasteboardRef = 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> = { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D
= "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { = length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" }
}
error19:20:07.383442 +0200= WebCatalog= Connection to 'pboard' server had an error: <error: = 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, = contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:07.403490 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:17.729179 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:17.729191 +0200WebCatalog= Connection to 'pboard' server had an error: <error: = 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, = contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:17.749345 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:28.088124 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:28.088131 +0200WebCatalog= Connection to 'pboard' server had an error: <error: = 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, = contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:28.109856 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
default= 19:20:38.163028 +0200WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open = files
default19:20:48.214130 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:20:58.245949 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:08.312843 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:18.359051 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:28.428295 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:38.454556 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files

##### SNIP - FROM = THE CONSOLE - END #####



The first error type is happening just = after the server has been restartet. The second error type is happening = approx. one hour after restart.


This is happening within the first hour of = operation
When observing the following error in = the console, the server is outputting either a correct webpage or a = =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D

error19:15:01.834622 +0200= WebCatalog= Connection to =E2=80=98pboard=E2=80=99...
error= 19:15:01.855057 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPaste...
error19:15:12.145796 +0200= WebCatalog= Failed to set up CFPaste=E2=80=A6
etc=E2=80=A6

This is happens after apex. one hour of = operation
When observing the following error in = the console, the server is outputting a lot of =E2=80=9CDatabase file could not be found or opened=E2=80=9D = and =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D. And it does not = return to normal operation unless the server is restarted.

default19:20:38.163028 +0200WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open = files
default19:20:48.214130 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:20:58.245949 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:08.312843 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:18.359051 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:28.428295 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:38.454556 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
etc...




On a side note=E2=80=A6

So I have noticed the following=E2=80=A6<= br class=3D"">
Chris (back in time) wrote: =E2=80=9C...This = is certainly due to the fact that WebDNAMonitor is not running. This = small application keeps the main WebDNA up, and restarts it in case of = crash or server down=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

So = when my server outputs the =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D= I have noticed that my WebDNA Monitor application disappears from my = Activity Monitor listing. So the question is, why does WebDNA Monitor = not run in a situation like this - something is killing it, = why?

/Palle
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2363 --Apple-Mail=_745E2C8F-357B-4119-A5E5-12F4A5DB7FE1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That didn=E2=80=99t help me.. your ulimit must be set to unlimited. > 4294438855 + > 528424 =3D 4,294,967,296, which is the max memory usage for 64bit memory.=20 Have to run=E2=80=A6=20 I would say check your WebDNA error logs and maybe make sure you don=E2=80= =99t have a folder with lots of files in it. D > On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:51 PM, H - Powerpalle = wrote: >=20 > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused = Mounted on > /dev/disk0s2 297Gi 20Gi 277Gi 7% 528424 4294438855 0% / > devfs 179Ki 179Ki 0Bi 100% 621 0 100% = /dev > map -hosts 0Bi 0Bi 0Bi 100% 0 0 100% = /net > map auto_home 0Bi 0Bi 0Bi 100% 0 0 100% = /home >=20 >=20 >> On 13 Sep 2019, at 20.43, Donovan Brooke > wrote: >>=20 >> Palle, open a terminal and send over the output of: >>=20 >> df -hi >>=20 >> Donovan >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:40 PM, H - Powerpalle = > wrote: >>>=20 >>> macOS 10.13.6 >>> High Sierra >>>=20 >>> I will look into those to leads=E2=80=A6 Thanks >>>=20 >>>> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-nginx-too-many-open-files/ = >>> How can this be related to WebDNA? Or how can I make sure WebDNA = cleans up after use=E2=80=A6? >>>=20 >>> /Palle >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 20.29, Donovan Brooke > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> You may want to look at: >>>> 1.) if you have lots of files in a directory >>>> 2.) inode limits. >>>>=20 >>>> You may also want to turn on WebDNA Error Reporting and look at = those logs >>>> (You didn=E2=80=99t state your platform / OS) >>>>=20 >>>> http://webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D112121 = >>>>=20 >>>> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-nginx-too-many-open-files/ = >>>>=20 >>>> Donovan >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:24 PM, H - Powerpalle = > wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Evenin=E2=80=99 all >>>>>=20 >>>>> So once again my server is outputting a blank page with =E2=80=9CSor= ry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D approx. 1/10 of the times it = serves a page. The server has done so before and I have never figured = out why it happens and why it goes away. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This time around I have noticed the following in my Console while = it happens (see attached screenshot). Does the error indicate anything = which can identify the root-cause of the "Sorry WebDNA server not = running=E2=80=9D -issue? I have not clue as to what these error messages = tries to tell me=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> ##### SNIP - FROM THE CONSOLE ##### >>>>>=20 >>>>> error19:19:55.957707 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:07.383443 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:07.383442 +0200WebCatalogConnection to = 'pboard' server had an error: { count =3D 1, = transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:07.403490 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:17.729179 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:17.729191 +0200WebCatalogConnection to = 'pboard' server had an error: { count =3D 1, = transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:17.749345 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:28.088124 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:28.088131 +0200WebCatalogConnection to = 'pboard' server had an error: { count =3D 1, = transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> error19:20:28.109856 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents = =3D >>>>> "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> { length =3D = 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" } >>>>> } >>>>> default19:20:38.163028 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:20:48.214130 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:20:58.245949 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:08.312843 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:18.359051 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:28.428295 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:38.454556 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>>=20 >>>>> ##### SNIP - FROM THE CONSOLE - END ##### >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The first error type is happening just after the server has been = restartet. The second error type is happening approx. one hour after = restart. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is happening within the first hour of operation >>>>> When observing the following error in the console, the server is = outputting either a correct webpage or a =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server = not running=E2=80=9D >>>>>=20 >>>>> error19:15:01.834622 +0200WebCatalogConnection to = =E2=80=98pboard=E2=80=99... >>>>> error19:15:01.855057 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPaste... >>>>> error19:15:12.145796 +0200WebCatalogFailed to set up = CFPaste=E2=80=A6 >>>>> etc=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is happens after apex. one hour of operation >>>>> When observing the following error in the console, the server is = outputting a lot of =E2=80=9CDatabase file could not be found or = opened=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D. = And it does not return to normal operation unless the server is = restarted. >>>>>=20 >>>>> default19:20:38.163028 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:20:48.214130 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:20:58.245949 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:08.312843 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:18.359051 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:28.428295 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> default19:21:38.454556 +0200WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub = ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open files >>>>> etc... >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On a side note=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>> So I have noticed the following=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Chris (back in time) wrote: =E2=80=9C...This is certainly due to = the fact that WebDNAMonitor is not running. This small application keeps = the main WebDNA up, and restarts it in case of crash or server = down=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D >>>>>=20 >>>>> So when my server outputs the =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not = running=E2=80=9D I have noticed that my WebDNA Monitor application = disappears from my Activity Monitor listing. So the question is, why = does WebDNA Monitor not run in a situation like this - something is = killing it, why? >>>>>=20 >>>>> /Palle >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>> Donovan Brooke >>>> Owner - EUCA >>>> (608) 770-3822 >>>>=20 >>>> 355 E State St. APT 8 >>>> Iola, WI 54945 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >> Donovan Brooke >> Owner - EUCA >> (608) 770-3822 >>=20 >> 355 E State St. APT 8 >> Iola, WI 54945 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us Donovan Brooke Owner - EUCA (608) 770-3822 355 E State St. APT 8 Iola, WI 54945 --Apple-Mail=_745E2C8F-357B-4119-A5E5-12F4A5DB7FE1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 That = didn=E2=80=99t help me.. your ulimit must be set to unlimited.
4294438855
+
528424
=3D 4,294= ,967,296, which is the max memory usage for 64bit = memory. 

Have to run=E2=80=A6 

I would say check your WebDNA error = logs and maybe make sure you don=E2=80=99t have a folder with lots of = files in it.

D



On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:51 PM, H - Powerpalle <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

Filesystem      Size   Used  Avail = Capacity iused      ifree %iused  Mounted = on
/dev/disk0s2   297Gi   20Gi  277Gi   =   7%  528424 4294438855    0%   = /
devfs          179Ki  = 179Ki    0Bi   100%     621      =     0  100%   /dev
map -hosts       0Bi    0Bi  =   0Bi   100%       0        =   0  100%   /net
map = auto_home    0Bi    0Bi    0Bi   100% =       0          0  100% =   /home


On 13 Sep 2019, at 20.43, = Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:

Palle, open a terminal = and send over the output of:

df -hi

Donovan



On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:40 PM, H = - Powerpalle <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

macOS 10.13.6
High Sierra

I will look into those to leads=E2=80=A6 Thanks


How = can this be related to WebDNA? Or how can I make sure WebDNA cleans up = after use=E2=80=A6?

/Palle


On 13 = Sep 2019, at 20.29, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:

You may want to look = at:
1.) if you have lots of files in a = directory
2.) inode limits.

You may also want to turn on WebDNA = Error Reporting and look at those logs
(You = didn=E2=80=99t state your platform / OS)

http://webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D112121

https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-nginx-too-many-open-fi= les/

Donovan






On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:24 PM, H - Powerpalle <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

Evenin=E2=80=99 all

So once again my server is outputting a = blank page with =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D = approx. 1/10 of the times it serves a page. The server has done so = before and I have never figured out why it happens and why it goes = away.

This = time around I have noticed the following in my Console while it happens = (see attached screenshot). Does the error indicate anything which can = identify the root-cause of the "Sorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D = -issue? I have not clue as to what these error messages tries to tell = me=E2=80=A6


##### SNIP - FROM THE CONSOLE = #####

error19:19:55.957707 +0200= WebCatalog= Failed to set up CFPasteboardRef = 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> = { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D
= "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { = length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" }
}
error19:20:07.383443 +0200= WebCatalog= Failed to set up CFPasteboardRef = 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> = { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, contents =3D
= "XPCErrorDescription" =3D> <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { = length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection invalid" }
}
error19:20:07.383442 +0200= WebCatalog= Connection to 'pboard' server had an error: <error: = 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, = contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:07.403490 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:17.729179 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:17.729191 +0200WebCatalog= Connection to 'pboard' server had an error: <error: = 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, = contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:17.749345 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:28.088124 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:28.088131 +0200WebCatalog= Connection to 'pboard' server had an error: <error: = 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D 0x0, = contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
error= 19:20:28.109856 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPasteboardRef 'AppleInternationalPasteboard-le'. Error: = <error: 0x7fffa31cdda0> { count =3D 1, transaction: 0, voucher =3D = 0x0, contents =3D
"XPCErrorDescription" =3D> = <string: 0x7fffa31ce048> { length =3D 18, contents =3D "Connection = invalid" }
}
default= 19:20:38.163028 +0200WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open = files
default19:20:48.214130 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:20:58.245949 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:08.312843 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:18.359051 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:28.428295 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:38.454556 +0200= WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files

##### SNIP - FROM = THE CONSOLE - END #####



The first error type is happening just = after the server has been restartet. The second error type is happening = approx. one hour after restart.


This is happening within the first hour of = operation
When observing the following error in = the console, the server is outputting either a correct webpage or a = =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D

error19:15:01.834622 +0200= WebCatalog= Connection to =E2=80=98pboard=E2=80=99...
error= 19:15:01.855057 +0200WebCatalogFailed to = set up CFPaste...
error19:15:12.145796 +0200= WebCatalog= Failed to set up CFPaste=E2=80=A6
etc=E2=80=A6

This is happens after apex. one hour of = operation
When observing the following error in = the console, the server is outputting a lot of =E2=80=9CDatabase file could not be found or opened=E2=80=9D = and =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D. And it does not = return to normal operation unless the server is restarted.

default19:20:38.163028 +0200WebCatalog= dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too many open = files
default19:20:48.214130 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:20:58.245949 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:08.312843 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:18.359051 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:28.428295 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
default19:21:38.454556 +0200= WebCatalogdnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: socket failed 24 Too = many open files
etc...




On a side note=E2=80=A6

So I have noticed the following=E2=80=A6<= br class=3D"">
Chris (back in time) wrote: =E2=80=9C...This = is certainly due to the fact that WebDNAMonitor is not running. This = small application keeps the main WebDNA up, and restarts it in case of = crash or server down=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

So = when my server outputs the =E2=80=9CSorry WebDNA server not running=E2=80=9D= I have noticed that my WebDNA Monitor application disappears from my = Activity Monitor listing. So the question is, why does WebDNA Monitor = not run in a situation like this - something is killing it, = why?

/Palle
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