Re: code to phantom spacing

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2001

It keeps the original formatting. numero = 36632
interpreted = N
texte = > >> > >I placed the [converchars] just after the > > >and closed it [/convertchars] after the > > >> > >(I even tried adding a few chars to replace: %09, %20).> > >> > >The result was that the endless scroll bar has now moved to the> > horizontal> > >(still endless). There are still 40+ lines of vertical, so> > returns are not> > >being completely removed.> >> >> > Hi Jon,> >> > First of all you should NOT replace the spaces (%20) because that> > will screw up not only the HTML but the plain text on the page. You> > should NOT be getting rid of space characters! I suggested removing> > only cr's, lf's, and possibly tab's -- I never suggested removing> > space characters -- so the first thing you need to do is fix your db> > so it does not include this character.> >> > If you MUST reduce the occurrence of multiple> > spaces in a row, you will have to use convertwords> > instead, but that's only available in version 4. And> > you would have to use it in a very specific manner> > in order to make it work properly with multiple-space> > strings anyways, so let's not get into that solution> > right now, let's focus on what's wrong with your> > implementation of the solution I already posted ...> >> > Second, it would be best if you follow my suggestions exactly.> > There's a reason for this, so just put the convertchars tags at the> > very top and bottom of the page like I suggested. They should be the> > first and last text that appears on the page -- no exceptions. And> > the one at the top of the page needs to be [convertchars> > db=^noReturns.db] not simply [convertchars] as you stated above.> >> > Third, did you format your noReturns.db is properly? If not,> > you'll have to fix it or the result will leave some cr's or lf's in> > the page, and the goal here is to get rod of ALL of them. If the> > last line in the db has anything on it other than a single carriage> > return, that's probably what's causing the problem. All webcat db's> > must end with a cr character in order to work proeprly.> >> > I posted this solution because it works for me on the MacOS and> > theoretically should work on all the other OS's as well, because all> > it's doing is removing the two new line characters used on all> > computer platforms -- cr's and lf's. Therefore, unless this works> > only on the MacOS for some reason, it seems like you've done> > something else wrong. So once you move the tags to the very top and> > bottom of the page, and fix your database, please run another test> > then tell me:> >> > Are *all* the cr's and lf's removed in the resulting page? Or do> > some of these characters still exist in the resulting browser source?> >> > Please post the source of the page after you run this test, thanks.> >> > =================================================> > Kenneth Grome WebDNA Consultant> > telephone number: 011 63 32 486-9077> > telephone number: 011 63 919 749-0060> > business web site: http://webdna.net> > personal web site: http://kengrome.com> > =================================================> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> > the mailing list .> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/>>> Ken,>> I do indeed value your specific directions and thank you for them. I will> clean a few things up and try again. I will post the resulting> page and get> you the url pronto.>> A quick response before I launch into implementing these few things with> more spacific detail to you suggestions.>> > >(I even tried adding a few chars to replace: %09, %20).> > >>> The addition of %20 and %09 was a second step after trying exactly as> specified. I thought I'd take a few pot shots my self. I actually cut and> paisted your db example so as not to use letter O insted of> number 0 or> vice versa (I'm not sure which they are suposed to be) from %0A & %0B. I> will remove these from further testing.>> > >I placed the [converchars] just after the > > >and closed it [/convertchars] after the > > >>> I did indeed use the correct [convertchars db=^noReturns.db]. The above> was a quick description of placement, which ironically *was* wrong! -> oops! I will place the openning tag at the very beginning.>> Additionally:>> * I initially placed the db locally, but ended up placing it> exactly as you> suggested.> * I believe the database is clean of any additional characters. I will> triple check this.> * I am developing locally on win98 and remotely on OSX so I have options.> OSX is where it will live, so we should be on the same page.> * I'm a little ignorant of the concept of cr's and lf's as I've> never had to> struggle with them. I believe the answer to your question is that some are> still there, but let me do all of the above and I should have a page to> actually *show* you.>>> Thanks again for your time and efforts. I try to follow explicitly!>>> Jon> __________________________> Jon Robinson> Chakra5 studios> http://www.chakra5.net>> jon@chakra5.net> (206) 781-0140 (o)> (206) 228-0451 (c)Ken,OK, here are url's to the results:http://www.chakra5.net/client/jon/webcat/trouble1.htmlA few notes:I am unable to get to the Globals folder on the OSX this weekend, so I amonly testing this on Win98.I set the database with an empty newline at the bottom as I believe yousuggested (I hit return from the empty to field for the %0D secondrecord). WebCat added a tab on that (3rd) line in producing the above page,basically making a blank entry for both fields. When viewing this db fromthe web (it's on a non webcat server, so it's accessable) it shows anothernew line after this:http://www.chakra5.net/client/jon/webcat/noReturns.dbI tried removing the last line from the database and tried again, basicallygetting the same result:http://www.chakra5.net/client/jon/webcat/trouble2.htmlhttp://www.chakra5.net/client/jon/webcat/noReturns2.dbLooking forward to any further thoughts!Jon__________________________Jon RobinsonChakra5 studioshttp://www.chakra5.netjon@chakra5.net(206) 781-0140 (o)(206) 228-0451 (c)-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

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> >> > >I placed the [converchars] just after the > > >and closed it [/convertchars] after the > > >> > >(I even tried adding a few chars to replace: %09, %20).> > >> > >The result was that the endless scroll bar has now moved to the> > horizontal> > >(still endless). There are still 40+ lines of vertical, so> > returns are not> > >being completely removed.> >> >> > Hi Jon,> >> > First of all you should NOT replace the spaces (%20) because that> > will screw up not only the HTML but the plain text on the page. You> > should NOT be getting rid of space characters! I suggested removing> > only cr's, lf's, and possibly tab's -- I never suggested removing> > space characters -- so the first thing you need to do is fix your db> > so it does not include this character.> >> > If you MUST reduce the occurrence of multiple> > spaces in a row, you will have to use convertwords> > instead, but that's only available in version 4. And> > you would have to use it in a very specific manner> > in order to make it work properly with multiple-space> > strings anyways, so let's not get into that solution> > right now, let's focus on what's wrong with your> > implementation of the solution I already posted ...> >> > Second, it would be best if you follow my suggestions exactly.> > There's a reason for this, so just put the convertchars tags at the> > very top and bottom of the page like I suggested. They should be the> > first and last text that appears on the page -- no exceptions. And> > the one at the top of the page needs to be [convertchars> > db=^noReturns.db] not simply [convertchars] as you stated above.> >> > Third, did you format your noReturns.db is properly? If not,> > you'll have to fix it or the result will leave some cr's or lf's in> > the page, and the goal here is to get rod of ALL of them. If the> > last line in the db has anything on it other than a single carriage> > return, that's probably what's causing the problem. All webcat db's> > must end with a cr character in order to work proeprly.> >> > I posted this solution because it works for me on the MacOS and> > theoretically should work on all the other OS's as well, because all> > it's doing is removing the two new line characters used on all> > computer platforms -- cr's and lf's. Therefore, unless this works> > only on the MacOS for some reason, it seems like you've done> > something else wrong. So once you move the tags to the very top and> > bottom of the page, and fix your database, please run another test> > then tell me:> >> > Are *all* the cr's and lf's removed in the resulting page? Or do> > some of these characters still exist in the resulting browser source?> >> > Please post the source of the page after you run this test, thanks.> >> > =================================================> > Kenneth Grome WebDNA Consultant> > telephone number: 011 63 32 486-9077> > telephone number: 011 63 919 749-0060> > business web site: http://webdna.net> > personal web site: http://kengrome.com> > =================================================> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> > the mailing list .> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/>>> Ken,>> I do indeed value your specific directions and thank you for them. I will> clean a few things up and try again. I will post the resulting> page and get> you the url pronto.>> A quick response before I launch into implementing these few things with> more spacific detail to you suggestions.>> > >(I even tried adding a few chars to replace: %09, %20).> > >>> The addition of %20 and %09 was a second step after trying exactly as> specified. I thought I'd take a few pot shots my self. I actually cut and> paisted your db example so as not to use letter O insted of> number 0 or> vice versa (I'm not sure which they are suposed to be) from %0A & %0B. I> will remove these from further testing.>> > >I placed the [converchars] just after the > > >and closed it [/convertchars] after the > > >>> I did indeed use the correct [convertchars db=^noReturns.db]. The above> was a quick description of placement, which ironically *was* wrong! -> oops! I will place the openning tag at the very beginning.>> Additionally:>> * I initially placed the db locally, but ended up placing it> exactly as you> suggested.> * I believe the database is clean of any additional characters. I will> triple check this.> * I am developing locally on win98 and remotely on OSX so I have options.> OSX is where it will live, so we should be on the same page.> * I'm a little ignorant of the concept of cr's and lf's as I've> never had to> struggle with them. I believe the answer to your question is that some are> still there, but let me do all of the above and I should have a page to> actually *show* you.>>> Thanks again for your time and efforts. I try to follow explicitly!>>> Jon> __________________________> Jon Robinson> Chakra5 studios> http://www.chakra5.net>> jon@chakra5.net> (206) 781-0140 (o)> (206) 228-0451 (c)Ken,OK, here are url's to the results:http://www.chakra5.net/client/jon/webcat/trouble1.htmlA few notes:I am unable to get to the Globals folder on the OSX this weekend, so I amonly testing this on Win98.I set the database with an empty newline at the bottom as I believe yousuggested (I hit return from the empty to field for the %0D secondrecord). WebCat added a tab on that (3rd) line in producing the above page,basically making a blank entry for both fields. When viewing this db fromthe web (it's on a non webcat server, so it's accessable) it shows anothernew line after this:http://www.chakra5.net/client/jon/webcat/noReturns.dbI tried removing the last line from the database and tried again, basicallygetting the same result:http://www.chakra5.net/client/jon/webcat/trouble2.htmlhttp://www.chakra5.net/client/jon/webcat/noReturns2.dbLooking forward to any further thoughts!Jon__________________________Jon RobinsonChakra5 studioshttp://www.chakra5.netjon@chakra5.net(206) 781-0140 (o)(206) 228-0451 (c)-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Jon Robinson

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