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RE: [WebDNA] db admin tool

This WebDNA talk-list message is from

2008


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 101471
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texte = This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C94A3C.022C2330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although, having the ability to do a quick edit using a web-base application really is useful. Especially when you do not have your laptop. I've actually used my G1 phone to make an emergency edit. Saved me a trip to the office or back to my house when I was out with my family. Yes, flat text dbs are easy to edit in excel but even easier in a web app. Michael A. DeLorenzo Broker - Associate General Manager Olde Carriage Realty, Inc. 92 Charlotte St. St. Augustine, FL 32084 Phone: 904-824-4500 Mobile: 904-377-5582 Fax: 904-824-6866 Toll-Free: 800-555-6138 Web: www.oldecarriage.com _____ From: Gary Krockover [mailto:gary@garykrockover.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:36 AM To: talk@webdna.us Subject: Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool I think this is where we're getting off track - you don't need an db admin tool for a flat text file, heck, Excel will manipulate them just fine if you really must. Working with a mySQL db is another story as you have to connect to the datasource, manage tables and schema, etc., and thus a tool like PHPMyAdmin comes in handy as a browser based solution for handling this more complex and dynamic database structuring. At 10:19 AM 11/19/2008, you wrote: WebDNA uses flat text files, but allows users to build fully relational solutions. It requires that users take responsibility for key fields and maintaining referential integrity, among other things. That usually works well because more formal databases require specification of key fields and relationships at the outset of a project and changing those things can be painful later on. WebDNA allows those things to be changed at any time, which is partly why our development times are reduced. In making an admin tool, this creates some special problems. Because there is no mechanism for structuring key fields and relationships between databases, it would be a huge task to write something that would figure all that out automatically. Without that, an admin tool is nothing more that an interface for looking at what is inside text files. That interface would look like a simple spread sheet and allow addition, modification or deletion of records. Are users looking for an admin tool that can do more? On a side note, I've been looking for a better term than "relational database" Part of WebDNA's unique features is the fact that is uses its own text-based data files, while still allowing the ability to build relational database capabilities. It occurred to me that, because this involves the best of both flat files and relational files, we might consider calling this hybrid "flatulational", but I'm hoping we can come up with a better term. Any ideas? Pat ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C94A3C.022C2330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Although, having the ability to do = a quick edit using a web-base application really is useful. Especially when you = do not have your laptop. I’ve actually used my G1 phone to make an = emergency edit.

 

Saved me a trip to the office or = back to my house when I was out with my family.

 

Yes, flat text dbs are easy to edit = in excel but even easier in a web app.

 

Michael A. = DeLorenzo

Broker - = Associate

General = Manager

Olde Carriage = Realty, Inc.

92 Charlotte = St.

St. Augustine, FL 32084

Phone: = 904-824-4500

Mobile: = 904-377-5582

Fax: = 904-824-6866

Toll-Free: = 800-555-6138

Web: = www.oldecarriage.com

 


From: Gary = Krockover [mailto:gary@garykrockover.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November = 19, 2008 11:36 AM
To: talk@webdna.us
Subject: Re: [WebDNA] db = admin tool

 

I think this is where we're getting off track - you don't need = an db admin tool for a flat text file, heck, Excel will manipulate them just = fine if you really must.

Working with a mySQL db is another story as you have to connect to the datasource, manage tables and schema, etc., and thus a tool like = PHPMyAdmin comes in handy as a browser based solution for handling this more = complex and dynamic database structuring.

At 10:19 AM 11/19/2008, you wrote:

WebDNA uses flat text files, but allows users to build fully = relational solutions. It requires that users take responsibility for key fields and maintaining referential integrity, among other things.

That usually works well because more formal databases require = specification of key fields and relationships at the outset of a project and changing = those things can be painful later on. WebDNA allows those things to be changed = at any time, which is partly why our development times are reduced.

In making an admin tool, this creates some special problems.  = Because there is no mechanism for structuring key fields and relationships = between databases, it would be a huge task to write something that would figure = all that out automatically.  Without that, an admin tool is nothing = more that an interface for looking at what is inside text files. That interface = would look like a simple spread sheet and allow addition, modification or = deletion of records.

Are users looking for an admin tool that can do more?

On a side note, I've been looking for a better term than = "relational database"

Part of WebDNA's unique features is the fact that is uses its own = text-based data files, while still allowing the ability to build relational = database capabilities. It occurred to me that, because this involves the best of = both flat files and relational files, we might consider calling this hybrid "flatulational", but I'm hoping we can come up with a better term.  Any ideas?

Pat

------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C94A3C.022C2330-- Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
  1. Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool (Kenneth Grome 2008)
  2. Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool (Donovan Brooke 2008)
  3. Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool (Patrick McCormick 2008)
  4. Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool (Patrick McCormick 2008)
  5. Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool ("William DeVaul" 2008)
  6. Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool (Kenneth Grome 2008)
  7. RE: [WebDNA] db admin tool ("Olin Lagon" 2008)
  8. RE: [WebDNA] db admin tool ("Michael A. DeLorenzo" 2008)
  9. Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool (Donovan Brooke 2008)
  10. Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool (Gary Krockover 2008)
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C94A3C.022C2330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although, having the ability to do a quick edit using a web-base application really is useful. Especially when you do not have your laptop. I've actually used my G1 phone to make an emergency edit. Saved me a trip to the office or back to my house when I was out with my family. Yes, flat text dbs are easy to edit in excel but even easier in a web app. Michael A. DeLorenzo Broker - Associate General Manager Olde Carriage Realty, Inc. 92 Charlotte St. St. Augustine, FL 32084 Phone: 904-824-4500 Mobile: 904-377-5582 Fax: 904-824-6866 Toll-Free: 800-555-6138 Web: www.oldecarriage.com _____ From: Gary Krockover [mailto:gary@garykrockover.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:36 AM To: talk@webdna.us Subject: Re: [WebDNA] db admin tool I think this is where we're getting off track - you don't need an db admin tool for a flat text file, heck, Excel will manipulate them just fine if you really must. Working with a mySQL db is another story as you have to connect to the datasource, manage tables and schema, etc., and thus a tool like PHPMyAdmin comes in handy as a browser based solution for handling this more complex and dynamic database structuring. At 10:19 AM 11/19/2008, you wrote: WebDNA uses flat text files, but allows users to build fully relational solutions. It requires that users take responsibility for key fields and maintaining referential integrity, among other things. That usually works well because more formal databases require specification of key fields and relationships at the outset of a project and changing those things can be painful later on. WebDNA allows those things to be changed at any time, which is partly why our development times are reduced. In making an admin tool, this creates some special problems. Because there is no mechanism for structuring key fields and relationships between databases, it would be a huge task to write something that would figure all that out automatically. Without that, an admin tool is nothing more that an interface for looking at what is inside text files. That interface would look like a simple spread sheet and allow addition, modification or deletion of records. Are users looking for an admin tool that can do more? On a side note, I've been looking for a better term than "relational database" Part of WebDNA's unique features is the fact that is uses its own text-based data files, while still allowing the ability to build relational database capabilities. It occurred to me that, because this involves the best of both flat files and relational files, we might consider calling this hybrid "flatulational", but I'm hoping we can come up with a better term. Any ideas? Pat ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C94A3C.022C2330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Although, having the ability to do = a quick edit using a web-base application really is useful. Especially when you = do not have your laptop. I’ve actually used my G1 phone to make an = emergency edit.

 

Saved me a trip to the office or = back to my house when I was out with my family.

 

Yes, flat text dbs are easy to edit = in excel but even easier in a web app.

 

Michael A. = DeLorenzo

Broker - = Associate

General = Manager

Olde Carriage = Realty, Inc.

92 Charlotte = St.

St. Augustine, FL 32084

Phone: = 904-824-4500

Mobile: = 904-377-5582

Fax: = 904-824-6866

Toll-Free: = 800-555-6138

Web: = www.oldecarriage.com

 


From: Gary = Krockover [mailto:gary@garykrockover.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November = 19, 2008 11:36 AM
To: talk@webdna.us
Subject: Re: [WebDNA] db = admin tool

 

I think this is where we're getting off track - you don't need = an db admin tool for a flat text file, heck, Excel will manipulate them just = fine if you really must.

Working with a mySQL db is another story as you have to connect to the datasource, manage tables and schema, etc., and thus a tool like = PHPMyAdmin comes in handy as a browser based solution for handling this more = complex and dynamic database structuring.

At 10:19 AM 11/19/2008, you wrote:

WebDNA uses flat text files, but allows users to build fully = relational solutions. It requires that users take responsibility for key fields and maintaining referential integrity, among other things.

That usually works well because more formal databases require = specification of key fields and relationships at the outset of a project and changing = those things can be painful later on. WebDNA allows those things to be changed = at any time, which is partly why our development times are reduced.

In making an admin tool, this creates some special problems.  = Because there is no mechanism for structuring key fields and relationships = between databases, it would be a huge task to write something that would figure = all that out automatically.  Without that, an admin tool is nothing = more that an interface for looking at what is inside text files. That interface = would look like a simple spread sheet and allow addition, modification or = deletion of records.

Are users looking for an admin tool that can do more?

On a side note, I've been looking for a better term than = "relational database"

Part of WebDNA's unique features is the fact that is uses its own = text-based data files, while still allowing the ability to build relational = database capabilities. It occurred to me that, because this involves the best of = both flat files and relational files, we might consider calling this hybrid "flatulational", but I'm hoping we can come up with a better term.  Any ideas?

Pat

------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C94A3C.022C2330-- "Michael A. DeLorenzo"

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