Re: [WebDNA] jumping on the linux train
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texte = Ken, Adam=85you guys rock, thanks a lot! Adam, you answered my next question. I was thinking about running a = partition on my desktop (mac) of the latest Ubuntu to get a feel. Or = simply booting from disc to test out the water. =20 I think the thing that's always been intimidating is the lack of GUI. = I've been managing a Windows 2003 VPS and a Snow Leopard Server for a = while. Its really convenient to have that (interface) when getting = things up and running quickly, but I realized that it really becomes a = crutch: when something goes wrong that the GUI can't fix, I really don't = know what to do. And that's the thing I want to remedy.=20 I've always opted out of admin tools like Plesk, parallels, etc. I also = like to "do it myself". Do you see any intrinsic value to some of the = Linux tools like Webmin, or do they also become crutches after a while? =20= Thanks again! On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Adam OConnor wrote: > Hey Aaron - >=20 > Many will probably debate this but IMO if your work/time is dedicated = to the web then you're better off using Linux as your primary OS - for = both dev and hosting. >=20 > When I used to use windows it seemed like I spent too much time = finding a windows version of what many were doing with Linux. >=20 > You should toss a copy of Ubuntu server (w/o GUI) on a spare machine = to play with. Also - using Ubuntu as your desktop/dev (w/GUI) machine = may help you become familiar with it quicker. >=20 > Here's a book I've found quite handy: > http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380 >=20 > Best, > Adam O >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/28/11 1:55 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>> What flavor (distro) do you like to use with WebDNA >> They are all good. I've been replacing Apache with Lighttpd >> and using WebDNA 7 on the last few VPS's I've bought, and my >> clients and I have been very happy with the results. >>=20 >>=20 >>> Are there any advantages to any particular or is it >>> purely a matter of taste? >> Mostly a matter of taste. >>=20 >> Although if you want to use a good free tool such as Webmin >> to administer the server remotely via HTTP then you should >> probably consider CentOS since Webmin was designed for it. >> Having said this, Webmin works with other Linux OS's too. >> It's just that some OS's such as CentOS have more Webmin >> modules available. >>=20 >> I used to use CentOS when I used Webmin, but I don't need >> Webmin any more so now I use Debian. Debian is the basis of >> Ubuntu -- the most popular desktop Linux OS -- so now I'm >> using the same basic system on my servers and my desktop >> boxes. This makes things simpler and easier for me to >> remember, and I have never seen any performance difference no >> matter what Linux OS I use. >>=20 >>=20 >>> What is a preferred Linux VPS host for hosting DNA >>> sites? >> I've used several and would not recommend any of them over >> any others. As soon as someone thinks they found the >> perfect VPS host someone else will have tons of problems >> with the very same host. They all have problems once in a >> while, some more than others. >>=20 >> Look at the reviews here for the best info I have found on >> the web regarding the performance of different VPS hosts: >>=20 >> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D103 >>=20 >> By the way, there are some super-cheap VPS hosts who >> consistently underprice their services in order to get >> thousands of new subscribers, then they sell out to bigger >> hosts who change their prices and terms, delete accounts >> with no reason, etc. It feels kind of like the "wild west" >> in the VPS industry sometimes. >>=20 >> Here are two references to get you started: >>=20 >> http://www.lowendbox.com/ >> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D104 >>=20 >> Be careful to note the difference between managed and >> unmanaged. I have never used managed because I prefer to >> "do it myself", and if you intend to learn Linux the last >> thing you want is a managed VPS. >>=20 >>=20 >>> Where or what is a good >>> resource to get a crash course in beginning with Linux? >> In my opinion the best way to learn to run your own Linux >> VPS is to "just do it". >>=20 >> Get a super-cheap unmanaged VPS that you can pay for on a >> monthly (not yearly) basis and get started immediately. Do >> not put any important websites on this server yet, just use >> it as a "teaching server" -- to teach yourself how to run >> it. Then you can learn everything gradually, without >> creating any emergencies for yourself or your clients. >>=20 >> Just google what you don't know whenever you have a question >> or problem and you should be fine ... :) >>=20 >> Sincerely, >> Kenneth Grome >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list
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Ken, Adam=85you guys rock, thanks a lot! Adam, you answered my next question. I was thinking about running a = partition on my desktop (mac) of the latest Ubuntu to get a feel. Or = simply booting from disc to test out the water. =20 I think the thing that's always been intimidating is the lack of GUI. = I've been managing a Windows 2003 VPS and a Snow Leopard Server for a = while. Its really convenient to have that (interface) when getting = things up and running quickly, but I realized that it really becomes a = crutch: when something goes wrong that the GUI can't fix, I really don't = know what to do. And that's the thing I want to remedy.=20 I've always opted out of admin tools like Plesk, parallels, etc. I also = like to "do it myself". Do you see any intrinsic value to some of the = Linux tools like Webmin, or do they also become crutches after a while? =20= Thanks again! On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Adam OConnor wrote: > Hey Aaron - >=20 > Many will probably debate this but IMO if your work/time is dedicated = to the web then you're better off using Linux as your primary OS - for = both dev and hosting. >=20 > When I used to use windows it seemed like I spent too much time = finding a windows version of what many were doing with Linux. >=20 > You should toss a copy of Ubuntu server (w/o GUI) on a spare machine = to play with. Also - using Ubuntu as your desktop/dev (w/GUI) machine = may help you become familiar with it quicker. >=20 > Here's a book I've found quite handy: > http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380 >=20 > Best, > Adam O >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/28/11 1:55 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>> What flavor (distro) do you like to use with WebDNA >> They are all good. I've been replacing Apache with Lighttpd >> and using WebDNA 7 on the last few VPS's I've bought, and my >> clients and I have been very happy with the results. >>=20 >>=20 >>> Are there any advantages to any particular or is it >>> purely a matter of taste? >> Mostly a matter of taste. >>=20 >> Although if you want to use a good free tool such as Webmin >> to administer the server remotely via HTTP then you should >> probably consider CentOS since Webmin was designed for it. >> Having said this, Webmin works with other Linux OS's too. >> It's just that some OS's such as CentOS have more Webmin >> modules available. >>=20 >> I used to use CentOS when I used Webmin, but I don't need >> Webmin any more so now I use Debian. Debian is the basis of >> Ubuntu -- the most popular desktop Linux OS -- so now I'm >> using the same basic system on my servers and my desktop >> boxes. This makes things simpler and easier for me to >> remember, and I have never seen any performance difference no >> matter what Linux OS I use. >>=20 >>=20 >>> What is a preferred Linux VPS host for hosting DNA >>> sites? >> I've used several and would not recommend any of them over >> any others. As soon as someone thinks they found the >> perfect VPS host someone else will have tons of problems >> with the very same host. They all have problems once in a >> while, some more than others. >>=20 >> Look at the reviews here for the best info I have found on >> the web regarding the performance of different VPS hosts: >>=20 >> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D103 >>=20 >> By the way, there are some super-cheap VPS hosts who >> consistently underprice their services in order to get >> thousands of new subscribers, then they sell out to bigger >> hosts who change their prices and terms, delete accounts >> with no reason, etc. It feels kind of like the "wild west" >> in the VPS industry sometimes. >>=20 >> Here are two references to get you started: >>=20 >> http://www.lowendbox.com/ >> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D104 >>=20 >> Be careful to note the difference between managed and >> unmanaged. I have never used managed because I prefer to >> "do it myself", and if you intend to learn Linux the last >> thing you want is a managed VPS. >>=20 >>=20 >>> Where or what is a good >>> resource to get a crash course in beginning with Linux? >> In my opinion the best way to learn to run your own Linux >> VPS is to "just do it". >>=20 >> Get a super-cheap unmanaged VPS that you can pay for on a >> monthly (not yearly) basis and get started immediately. Do >> not put any important websites on this server yet, just use >> it as a "teaching server" -- to teach yourself how to run >> it. Then you can learn everything gradually, without >> creating any emergencies for yourself or your clients. >>=20 >> Just google what you don't know whenever you have a question >> or problem and you should be fine ... :) >>=20 >> Sincerely, >> Kenneth Grome >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list. >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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