Re: [WebDNA] Help with STMP Setup using Authentication with Google Apps in WebDNA
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texte = 857Google "smtp telnet" test.=20Do your test with the server you are using, via the terminal.=20D. Brooke Mobile> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Burger
w=rote:>=20> Of course. It's a possibility with a new release of a relatively new OS. D=o you (or anyone) have any feedback or knowledge of being able to get SMTP A=uthentication to work with Google Apps at all? Or other widely implemented c=loud-hosted email services? Yes - I do acknowledge the unique weirdness some=times associated with Google Services in general compared to other standard e=mail approaches.>=20> The new server machine is powered Server (under-the-hood Apache 2.2), whic=h ran and is practically unchanged from El Capitan (OS X 10.11), at least in= respect to the Website services=E2=80=A6 Do you happen to know if sendmail= / WebDNA 8 has similar problems under El Capitan? It would be really helpfu=l if anyone could verify that something like this has worked before going do=wn the route of starting up a whole new test server. I=E2=80=99d also prefe=r not to go too far back on the OS version, as that=E2=80=99s one of the maj=or reasons for the server migration to begin with=E2=80=A6>=20> Donovan - Definitely appreciate the help and time you=E2=80=99ve put in so= far and any additional insight you are willing to give. Keeping my fingers= crossed...>=20> If anyone else has any experience with running WebDNA 8 on relatively rece=nt OS X/macOS versions, please feel free to pipe in too.>=20>=20> Thanks again!>=20>=20> Andrew Burger> =20>=20>=20>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote:>>=20>> Hi Andrew,=20>> I=E2=80=99m sure it helps, but I haven=E2=80=99t worked on this OS (sierr=a) in a server capacity.>> This is where I=E2=80=99ll have to pass off to someone else :-)>>=20>> (My hunch is that the problem is something to do with that OS)>>=20>> Donovan>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burger wrote:>>>=20>>> We are moving from a machine with OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion) to macOS 1=0.12.2 (Sierra - latest public build). WebDNA is using Server Unlimited lic=ense on both. Partly why we are going through this=E2=80=A6>>>=20>>> Here=E2=80=99s some quick information from WebCatalog to help you better= understand our environment.>>>=20>>> Mountain Lion Statistics (Old machine):>>>=20>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working Unlimite=d mode>>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy>>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains>>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited databases at= one time>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS X Apa=che Module version 6.2>>>=20>>> Sierra Statistics (New machine):>>>=20>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working Unlimite=d mode>>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy>>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains>>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited databases at= one time>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS X Apa=che Module version 8.2>>>=20>>>=20>>> Hope that helps!>>>=20>>>=20>>> Andrew Burger>>>=20>>>=20>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote:>>>>=20>>>> Is this a different operating system than the 6 server? If so, what OS a=nd version?>>>>=20>>>> Is this the latest WebDNA Server 8 version?>>>>=20>>>> Donovan>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Burger wrote:>>>>>=20>>>>> Hi Donovan.>>>>>=20>>>>> Excellent question. Not using server sandboxes in this case (because t=his is not a shared server situation). We are using a dedicated physical se=rver for this.>>>>>=20>>>>> We can do whatever is needed on the server in every respect, with the e=xception of what I=E2=80=99m trying to pass through Google Apps with Auth/SM=TP, etc. Ideally, I=E2=80=99d prefer not configure / troubleshoot / secure-=harden mail services there (since that is a real pain) if possible. But, th=at being said, I=E2=80=99ll do what I have to do. ;-)>>>>>=20>>>>> Also, thanks for the note regarding bug reporting. Now that I have th=e info from email notices, I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and report that.>>>>>=20>>>>> Thanks!>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>> Andrew Burger>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote:>>>>>>=20>>>>>> One common mistake (I still make this mistake sometimes)=E2=80=A6=20>>>>>> Are you using WebDNA Server SandBoxes by chance?>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Regarding bug reporting, there is a link at the bottom of this email.=>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>> Donovan>>>>>>=20>>>>>>=20>>>>>>=20>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Andrew Burger wrote:>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Objective:>>>>>>> We are currently in the middle of migrating our production WebDNA 6 s=erver to a new one with WebDNA 8. The remaining piece left to get working i=s having WebDNA send out email message via the sendmail command.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Current Setup:>>>>>>> The current production WebDNA 6 server works via localhost (although= exactly how that works is a little bit of a mystery to me since we haven=E2==80=99t done any additional mail services setup on that server but anyway=E2==80=A6). More to the point, I=E2=80=99ve been able to get the current produ=ction WebDNA server to work, as long as the proper SPF record was in place. = So we have a working routine in production now.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Steps Taken to Troubleshoot:>>>>>>> With the new WebDNA 8 server, I=E2=80=99ve been unable to get the se=ndmail command to send out a valid message. I have done verifications throu=gh WebDNA Email Folders. EmailCompleted have properly processed the message a=nd confirmed that it =E2=80=9Csent=E2=80=9D in the Email log file. However,= no message appears to go through to the recipients. I=E2=80=99ve even gone t=hrough an additional setup of setting up the G Suite SMTP relay server and w=hitelisted the originating IP address of the new WebDNA server inside the Re=lay settings and whitelisting the IP for emails in Google Admin for regular S=MTP (in addition to the proper SPF record like I did for the currently worki=ng server). I haven=E2=80=99t gotten any SPF passes or rejections though, s=o I=E2=80=99m not even entirely confident that it=E2=80=99s even getting to G=oogle servers yet for processing.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Has anyone else had any luck getting email authentication working wi=th Google Apps email? I would truly appreciate anyone that has some insight= from anyone that=E2=80=99s got this to work or whether we can confirm if so=mething has changed with the mechanism used for the sendmail command between= WebDNA 6 or 8...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Sorry if that=E2=80=99s a lot of information up front but wanted to e=xplain what I=E2=80=99m trying to accomplish and the steps taken so far to g=enerate some useful feedback.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Thanks so much and happy holidays!>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Andrew Burger>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> PS - Pleased to meet all of you. Just subscribed to the list and lo=oking forward to getting to learn from the rest of you.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> PPS - Also uncovered an issue in the WebCatalog Email Setup preferen=ces in WebDNA Server 8. It doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be possible to uncheck= STMP Auth and Require TLS through the web interface once you enable it. Ha=d to manually force the param value back to 0 through a WebDNA call to switc=h back and test =E2=80=98localhost' settings. Is there a proper way to repo=rt bugs like this or is already a known issue?------------------------------=--------------------------->>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>=20>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>=20>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.usBug Reporting: support@webdna.us.
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857Google "smtp telnet" test.=20Do your test with the server you are using, via the terminal.=20D. Brooke Mobile> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Burger w=rote:>=20> Of course. It's a possibility with a new release of a relatively new OS. D=o you (or anyone) have any feedback or knowledge of being able to get SMTP A=uthentication to work with Google Apps at all? Or other widely implemented c=loud-hosted email services? Yes - I do acknowledge the unique weirdness some=times associated with Google Services in general compared to other standard e=mail approaches.>=20> The new server machine is powered Server (under-the-hood Apache 2.2), whic=h ran and is practically unchanged from El Capitan (OS X 10.11), at least in= respect to the Website services=E2=80=A6 Do you happen to know if sendmail= / WebDNA 8 has similar problems under El Capitan? It would be really helpfu=l if anyone could verify that something like this has worked before going do=wn the route of starting up a whole new test server. I=E2=80=99d also prefe=r not to go too far back on the OS version, as that=E2=80=99s one of the maj=or reasons for the server migration to begin with=E2=80=A6>=20> Donovan - Definitely appreciate the help and time you=E2=80=99ve put in so= far and any additional insight you are willing to give. Keeping my fingers= crossed...>=20> If anyone else has any experience with running WebDNA 8 on relatively rece=nt OS X/macOS versions, please feel free to pipe in too.>=20>=20> Thanks again!>=20>=20> Andrew Burger> =20>=20>=20>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote:>>=20>> Hi Andrew,=20>> I=E2=80=99m sure it helps, but I haven=E2=80=99t worked on this OS (sierr=a) in a server capacity.>> This is where I=E2=80=99ll have to pass off to someone else :-)>>=20>> (My hunch is that the problem is something to do with that OS)>>=20>> Donovan>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burger wrote:>>>=20>>> We are moving from a machine with OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion) to macOS 1=0.12.2 (Sierra - latest public build). WebDNA is using Server Unlimited lic=ense on both. Partly why we are going through this=E2=80=A6>>>=20>>> Here=E2=80=99s some quick information from WebCatalog to help you better= understand our environment.>>>=20>>> Mountain Lion Statistics (Old machine):>>>=20>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working Unlimite=d mode>>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy>>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains>>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited databases at= one time>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS X Apa=che Module version 6.2>>>=20>>> Sierra Statistics (New machine):>>>=20>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working Unlimite=d mode>>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy>>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains>>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited databases at= one time>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS X Apa=che Module version 8.2>>>=20>>>=20>>> Hope that helps!>>>=20>>>=20>>> Andrew Burger>>>=20>>>=20>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote:>>>>=20>>>> Is this a different operating system than the 6 server? If so, what OS a=nd version?>>>>=20>>>> Is this the latest WebDNA Server 8 version?>>>>=20>>>> Donovan>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Burger wrote:>>>>>=20>>>>> Hi Donovan.>>>>>=20>>>>> Excellent question. Not using server sandboxes in this case (because t=his is not a shared server situation). We are using a dedicated physical se=rver for this.>>>>>=20>>>>> We can do whatever is needed on the server in every respect, with the e=xception of what I=E2=80=99m trying to pass through Google Apps with Auth/SM=TP, etc. Ideally, I=E2=80=99d prefer not configure / troubleshoot / secure-=harden mail services there (since that is a real pain) if possible. But, th=at being said, I=E2=80=99ll do what I have to do. ;-)>>>>>=20>>>>> Also, thanks for the note regarding bug reporting. Now that I have th=e info from email notices, I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and report that.>>>>>=20>>>>> Thanks!>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>> Andrew Burger>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote:>>>>>>=20>>>>>> One common mistake (I still make this mistake sometimes)=E2=80=A6=20>>>>>> Are you using WebDNA Server SandBoxes by chance?>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Regarding bug reporting, there is a link at the bottom of this email.=>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>> Donovan>>>>>>=20>>>>>>=20>>>>>>=20>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Andrew Burger wrote:>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Objective:>>>>>>> We are currently in the middle of migrating our production WebDNA 6 s=erver to a new one with WebDNA 8. The remaining piece left to get working i=s having WebDNA send out email message via the sendmail command.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Current Setup:>>>>>>> The current production WebDNA 6 server works via localhost (although= exactly how that works is a little bit of a mystery to me since we haven=E2==80=99t done any additional mail services setup on that server but anyway=E2==80=A6). More to the point, I=E2=80=99ve been able to get the current produ=ction WebDNA server to work, as long as the proper SPF record was in place. = So we have a working routine in production now.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Steps Taken to Troubleshoot:>>>>>>> With the new WebDNA 8 server, I=E2=80=99ve been unable to get the se=ndmail command to send out a valid message. I have done verifications throu=gh WebDNA Email Folders. EmailCompleted have properly processed the message a=nd confirmed that it =E2=80=9Csent=E2=80=9D in the Email log file. However,= no message appears to go through to the recipients. I=E2=80=99ve even gone t=hrough an additional setup of setting up the G Suite SMTP relay server and w=hitelisted the originating IP address of the new WebDNA server inside the Re=lay settings and whitelisting the IP for emails in Google Admin for regular S=MTP (in addition to the proper SPF record like I did for the currently worki=ng server). I haven=E2=80=99t gotten any SPF passes or rejections though, s=o I=E2=80=99m not even entirely confident that it=E2=80=99s even getting to G=oogle servers yet for processing.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Has anyone else had any luck getting email authentication working wi=th Google Apps email? I would truly appreciate anyone that has some insight= from anyone that=E2=80=99s got this to work or whether we can confirm if so=mething has changed with the mechanism used for the sendmail command between= WebDNA 6 or 8...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Sorry if that=E2=80=99s a lot of information up front but wanted to e=xplain what I=E2=80=99m trying to accomplish and the steps taken so far to g=enerate some useful feedback.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Thanks so much and happy holidays!>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Andrew Burger>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> PS - Pleased to meet all of you. Just subscribed to the list and lo=oking forward to getting to learn from the rest of you.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> PPS - Also uncovered an issue in the WebCatalog Email Setup preferen=ces in WebDNA Server 8. It doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be possible to uncheck= STMP Auth and Require TLS through the web interface once you enable it. Ha=d to manually force the param value back to 0 through a WebDNA call to switc=h back and test =E2=80=98localhost' settings. Is there a proper way to repo=rt bugs like this or is already a known issue?------------------------------=--------------------------->>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>=20>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>=20>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.usBug Reporting: support@webdna.us.
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