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Re: [WebDNA] Ubuntu 14.04 & WebDNA

This WebDNA talk-list message is from

2017


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 113313
interpreted = N
texte = 906 --Apple-Mail=_DC530D23-6CC0-45F9-A1B6-E8D701FDB047 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Then again if you have a shiny, newly installed 8.5.1 server version you = can follow the links in the nav to all sorts of goodies: http://dev.webdna.us/products.html http://dev.webdna.us/updates.html Kind regards Stuart Tremain Pharoah Lane Software AUSTRALIA webdna@idfk.com.au > On 6 Jan 2017, at 09:09, Kenneth Grome = wrote: >=20 > Good idea! >=20 > :) >=20 > Regards, > Kenneth Grome > WebDNA Solutions > http://www.webdnasolutions.com > Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 01/05/2017 03:48 PM, Stuart Tremain wrote: >> Hi Chris >>=20 >> Maybe older versions could be made available on the downloads page >> under the heading that support is not available for the following >> downloads.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Kind regards >>=20 >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@idfk.com.au >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 5 Jan 2017, at 19:39, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hello! >>>=20 >>> Yes, pricing has been changed two years ago, in January 2015, so >>> there is only one version of the FastCGI that can run (fast) in >>> freeware mode for free, without any mathematical operation to be >>> solved or any annoying limit, or can run in registered mode >>> (faster) for a small $59 accelerator certificate. >>>=20 >>> On another side, there is the server version (unlimited >>> services, unlimited domains for one single machine) which is the >>> old "Enterprise" version for $459, and the Developer version >>> which is free. >>>=20 >>> About the question "This method is not suitable to update WebDNA >>> and previous installation will be overwritten. It must be a >>> fresh WebDNA install on a default Ubuntu 14.=E2=80=9D Does this mean = a >>> server rebuild or is there another way to get this happening ? I >>> tried an install over the top of an existing server upgraded >>> from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, but have run into problems, rather >>> than spending hours trying to debug, it would be good to know if >>> there is a =E2=80=9Cmanual=E2=80=9D method of installing/upgrading = or do I just >>> build a new server. >>>=20 >>> The installation process relies on the position of directories, >>> apache user, dependencies version, and each LINUX OS has his own >>> formula for this. Moreover, each LINUX OS might change the >>> formula from one version to the other. Apache Software >>> Foundation will also change the rules from time to time. We have >>> to adapt and we provide installers for the major LINUX >>> distributions. However, from a distribution to another, the >>> changes oblige us to make slight installer modifications. Making >>> installers intelligent enough to detect that there have been an >>> upgrade, from LINUX version X to LINUX version Y is doable, but >>> not financially viable. You can do the installation yourself, as >>> basically, installing WebDNA server is a matter of permissions >>> (always), SELinux (annoying), a connector and a module (built >>> for a specific LINUX version) and http config, with a single >>> formula that would work for every installation if apache config >>> remained consistent, which is not always the case. Upon request, >>> we can provide the connector and module. Or we are always >>> willing to help and many of you know that we always bring quick >>> support when requested. >>>=20 >>> Finally, the version 6, from 2004 and 6.2 in 2008, is still >>> available upon request to support@webdna.us >>> >>> If we keep a software online, then we have to provide support, >>> and WebDNA 6 is NOT supported anymore. >>>=20 >>> Happy New Year to all, >>>=20 >>> - chris >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 01:05, Stuart Tremain >>> > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I see that pricing has changed again. The server edition is now >>>> unlimited only, and the cheaper limited domains edition no >>>> longer available. >>>>=20 >>>> Kind regards >>>>=20 >>>> Stuart Tremain >>>> Pharoah Lane Software >>>> AUSTRALIA >>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list >. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> > >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- This >> message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing >> list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: >> http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: >> support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_DC530D23-6CC0-45F9-A1B6-E8D701FDB047 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Then again if you have a shiny, newly installed 8.5.1 server = version you can follow the links in the nav to all sorts of goodies:



Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane = Software
AUSTRALIA






On 6 Jan 2017, at 09:09, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.com> wrote:

Good = idea!

:)

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA = Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database = Systems and Linux Server Administration



On 01/05/2017 03:48 PM, Stuart Tremain = wrote:
Hi Chris

Maybe older versions could be made available = on the downloads page
under the heading that support is = not available for the following
downloads.


Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au = <mailto:webdna@idfk.com.au>






On 5 Jan 2017, at 19:39, = christophe.billiottet@webdna.us
<mailto:christophe.billiottet@webdna.us> wrote:

Hello!

Yes, = pricing has been changed two years ago, in January 2015, so
there is only one version of the FastCGI that can run (fast) = in
freeware mode for free, without any mathematical = operation to be
solved or any annoying limit, or can run = in registered mode
(faster) for a small $59 accelerator = certificate.

On another side, there is the = server version (unlimited
services, unlimited domains for = one single machine) which is the
old "Enterprise" version = for $459, and the Developer version
which is free.

About the question "This method is not = suitable to update WebDNA
and previous installation will = be overwritten. It must be a
fresh WebDNA install on a = default Ubuntu 14.=E2=80=9D Does this mean a
server = rebuild or is there another way to get this happening ? I
tried an install over the top of an existing server = upgraded
from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, but have run into = problems, rather
than spending hours trying to debug, it = would be good to know if
there is a =E2=80=9Cmanual=E2=80=9D= method of installing/upgrading or do I just
build a new = server.

The installation process relies on = the position of directories,
apache user, dependencies = version, and each LINUX OS has his own
formula for this. = Moreover, each LINUX OS might change the
formula from one = version to the other. Apache Software
Foundation will also = change the rules from time to time. We have
to adapt and = we provide installers for the major LINUX
distributions. = However, from a distribution to another, the
changes = oblige us to make slight installer modifications. Making
installers intelligent enough to detect that there have been = an
upgrade, from LINUX version X to LINUX version Y is = doable, but
not financially viable. You can do the = installation yourself, as
basically, installing WebDNA = server is a matter of permissions
(always), SELinux = (annoying), a connector and a module (built
for a specific = LINUX version) and http config, with a single
formula that = would work for every installation if apache config
remained = consistent, which is not always the case. Upon request,
we = can provide the connector and module. Or we are always
willing to help and many of you know that we always bring = quick
support when requested.

Finally, the version 6, from 2004 and 6.2 in 2008, is = still
available upon request to support@webdna.us
<mailto:support@webdna.us>
If we keep a = software online, then we have to provide support,
and = WebDNA 6 is NOT supported anymore.

Happy = New Year to all,

- chris



On Jan 5, 2017, at 01:05, Stuart Tremain = <webdna@idfk.com.au
<mailto:webdna@idfk.com.au>>= wrote:

I see that pricing has changed = again. The server edition is now
unlimited only, and the = cheaper limited domains edition no
longer available.

Kind regards

Stuart= Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au <mailto:webdna@idfk.com.au>







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906 --Apple-Mail=_DC530D23-6CC0-45F9-A1B6-E8D701FDB047 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Then again if you have a shiny, newly installed 8.5.1 server version you = can follow the links in the nav to all sorts of goodies: http://dev.webdna.us/products.html http://dev.webdna.us/updates.html Kind regards Stuart Tremain Pharoah Lane Software AUSTRALIA webdna@idfk.com.au > On 6 Jan 2017, at 09:09, Kenneth Grome = wrote: >=20 > Good idea! >=20 > :) >=20 > Regards, > Kenneth Grome > WebDNA Solutions > http://www.webdnasolutions.com > Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 01/05/2017 03:48 PM, Stuart Tremain wrote: >> Hi Chris >>=20 >> Maybe older versions could be made available on the downloads page >> under the heading that support is not available for the following >> downloads.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Kind regards >>=20 >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@idfk.com.au >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 5 Jan 2017, at 19:39, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hello! >>>=20 >>> Yes, pricing has been changed two years ago, in January 2015, so >>> there is only one version of the FastCGI that can run (fast) in >>> freeware mode for free, without any mathematical operation to be >>> solved or any annoying limit, or can run in registered mode >>> (faster) for a small $59 accelerator certificate. >>>=20 >>> On another side, there is the server version (unlimited >>> services, unlimited domains for one single machine) which is the >>> old "Enterprise" version for $459, and the Developer version >>> which is free. >>>=20 >>> About the question "This method is not suitable to update WebDNA >>> and previous installation will be overwritten. It must be a >>> fresh WebDNA install on a default Ubuntu 14.=E2=80=9D Does this mean = a >>> server rebuild or is there another way to get this happening ? I >>> tried an install over the top of an existing server upgraded >>> from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, but have run into problems, rather >>> than spending hours trying to debug, it would be good to know if >>> there is a =E2=80=9Cmanual=E2=80=9D method of installing/upgrading = or do I just >>> build a new server. >>>=20 >>> The installation process relies on the position of directories, >>> apache user, dependencies version, and each LINUX OS has his own >>> formula for this. Moreover, each LINUX OS might change the >>> formula from one version to the other. Apache Software >>> Foundation will also change the rules from time to time. We have >>> to adapt and we provide installers for the major LINUX >>> distributions. However, from a distribution to another, the >>> changes oblige us to make slight installer modifications. Making >>> installers intelligent enough to detect that there have been an >>> upgrade, from LINUX version X to LINUX version Y is doable, but >>> not financially viable. You can do the installation yourself, as >>> basically, installing WebDNA server is a matter of permissions >>> (always), SELinux (annoying), a connector and a module (built >>> for a specific LINUX version) and http config, with a single >>> formula that would work for every installation if apache config >>> remained consistent, which is not always the case. Upon request, >>> we can provide the connector and module. Or we are always >>> willing to help and many of you know that we always bring quick >>> support when requested. >>>=20 >>> Finally, the version 6, from 2004 and 6.2 in 2008, is still >>> available upon request to support@webdna.us >>> >>> If we keep a software online, then we have to provide support, >>> and WebDNA 6 is NOT supported anymore. >>>=20 >>> Happy New Year to all, >>>=20 >>> - chris >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 01:05, Stuart Tremain >>> > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I see that pricing has changed again. The server edition is now >>>> unlimited only, and the cheaper limited domains edition no >>>> longer available. >>>>=20 >>>> Kind regards >>>>=20 >>>> Stuart Tremain >>>> Pharoah Lane Software >>>> AUSTRALIA >>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list >. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> > >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- This >> message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing >> list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: >> http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: >> support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_DC530D23-6CC0-45F9-A1B6-E8D701FDB047 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Then again if you have a shiny, newly installed 8.5.1 server = version you can follow the links in the nav to all sorts of goodies:



Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane = Software
AUSTRALIA






On 6 Jan 2017, at 09:09, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.com> wrote:

Good = idea!

:)

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA = Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database = Systems and Linux Server Administration



On 01/05/2017 03:48 PM, Stuart Tremain = wrote:
Hi Chris

Maybe older versions could be made available = on the downloads page
under the heading that support is = not available for the following
downloads.


Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au = <mailto:webdna@idfk.com.au>






On 5 Jan 2017, at 19:39, = christophe.billiottet@webdna.us
<mailto:christophe.billiottet@webdna.us> wrote:

Hello!

Yes, = pricing has been changed two years ago, in January 2015, so
there is only one version of the FastCGI that can run (fast) = in
freeware mode for free, without any mathematical = operation to be
solved or any annoying limit, or can run = in registered mode
(faster) for a small $59 accelerator = certificate.

On another side, there is the = server version (unlimited
services, unlimited domains for = one single machine) which is the
old "Enterprise" version = for $459, and the Developer version
which is free.

About the question "This method is not = suitable to update WebDNA
and previous installation will = be overwritten. It must be a
fresh WebDNA install on a = default Ubuntu 14.=E2=80=9D Does this mean a
server = rebuild or is there another way to get this happening ? I
tried an install over the top of an existing server = upgraded
from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, but have run into = problems, rather
than spending hours trying to debug, it = would be good to know if
there is a =E2=80=9Cmanual=E2=80=9D= method of installing/upgrading or do I just
build a new = server.

The installation process relies on = the position of directories,
apache user, dependencies = version, and each LINUX OS has his own
formula for this. = Moreover, each LINUX OS might change the
formula from one = version to the other. Apache Software
Foundation will also = change the rules from time to time. We have
to adapt and = we provide installers for the major LINUX
distributions. = However, from a distribution to another, the
changes = oblige us to make slight installer modifications. Making
installers intelligent enough to detect that there have been = an
upgrade, from LINUX version X to LINUX version Y is = doable, but
not financially viable. You can do the = installation yourself, as
basically, installing WebDNA = server is a matter of permissions
(always), SELinux = (annoying), a connector and a module (built
for a specific = LINUX version) and http config, with a single
formula that = would work for every installation if apache config
remained = consistent, which is not always the case. Upon request,
we = can provide the connector and module. Or we are always
willing to help and many of you know that we always bring = quick
support when requested.

Finally, the version 6, from 2004 and 6.2 in 2008, is = still
available upon request to support@webdna.us
<mailto:support@webdna.us>
If we keep a = software online, then we have to provide support,
and = WebDNA 6 is NOT supported anymore.

Happy = New Year to all,

- chris



On Jan 5, 2017, at 01:05, Stuart Tremain = <webdna@idfk.com.au
<mailto:webdna@idfk.com.au>>= wrote:

I see that pricing has changed = again. The server edition is now
unlimited only, and the = cheaper limited domains edition no
longer available.

Kind regards

Stuart= Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au <mailto:webdna@idfk.com.au>







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