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Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan

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2017


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 113904
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texte = 1504 --f403043730c072672e0560ca33d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I don't see how you managing your co-located leased sever and installing webdna, vhost and configuring it remotely, is somehow less work than owning. Most them companies end up out of business, and I did try co-locating my sever once and the place burned down leaving me with nothing! My old server that I finally shut down last night was a 2006! It ran on-and-off for 12 years and owes me nothing, yet still has value. And, when I read Apache, WebDNA, or postfix... it does not state their is a difference between OS's! I don't see for a Mac do this, and Ubuntu do that, and Unix you need to do that! So yes, I would say they are pretty much the same to configure! My software is installed so any issues I might have, are in the configuration! On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > > I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our own > > servers ... > > I think it makes sense to distinguish between "I own my own > hardware" and "I rent/lease my hardware". I think most WebDNA > users rent/lease their server hardware these days. Maybe you > disagree, and maybe you're right. I could be wrong, but: > > Given the minuscule cost of a commodity VPS, it makes no sense > (for me anyways) to deal with any hardware or network access > issues when a professional hosting company will deal with all this > for me -- and charge me a pittance for a VPS that I control > exclusively and therefore personally setup and configure with my > choice of OS and all other software, WebDNA included. > > > > ... because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and > > the one that does wants a fortune per domain. > > When you're managing the server software yourself like I do, it > doesn't matter if a hosting company knows anything about WebDNA > because they have nothing to do with it! So I couldn't care less > if most hosting companies have ever heard of WebDNA -- because I > can still run it on their hardware without a problem. > > This allows me to AVOID investing in hardware that will become > obsolete in a few years, dealing with colocation services, setting > up a physical server in my home/office, etc., etc. > > Believe me, I went through the stage of running my own server > hardware while I was living in Hawaii a very long time ago, and it > was never a simple or pleasant thing to do. There was always > something I had to attend to. Something always needed tweaking or > fixing or replacing. or the colo host was having issues or needed > to move to a new building or whatever. It was not fun at all -- > just a time-consuming PITA now that I look back on it. > > > > Also, seems like post to the list are screened and sometimes > > deleted. > > You are the first person I can recall who has suggested such a > thing. Do you really think someone from WSC has the time and/or > the desire to sit there and read every post before approving it > for distribution to the list subscribers? > > > > And it seems odd the first time I see a post it already has 4 > > answers and or replies...? > > I have seen occasions where an original post does not appear > before the replies. Sometimes it gets shuffled off to my SPAM > box, but other times it just seems to happen that messages do not > appear in chronological order. > > > > And Apache, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any > > unix based machine! > > How did you come to this conclusion? Did you read something that > made you believe this? Or do you actually have some experience > configuring different varieties of unix-based servers? > > > > Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a > > "little" help migrating over to the new server. > > Chris thought it might be a WebDNA issue, that's why he was > apparently willing to help track down the suspected "WebDNA bug". > But it was not a bug, it was a simple Apache configuration issue. > > Anyways, since we're on the topic you should know that Chris/WSC > offer paid technical support on a case-by-case basis now. > > Regards, > Kenneth Grome > WebDNA Solutions > http://www.webdnasolutions.com > Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=55 > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --f403043730c072672e0560ca33d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't see how you managing your co-located leased se= ver and installing webdna, vhost and configuring it remotely, is somehow le= ss work than owning.=C2=A0

Most them companies end up ou= t of business, and I did try co-locating my sever once and the place burned= down leaving me with nothing! My old server that I finally shut down last = night was a 2006! It ran on-and-off for 12 years and owes me nothing, yet s= till has value.

And, when I read Apache, WebDNA, o= r postfix... it does not state their is a difference between OS's! I do= n't see for a Mac do this, and Ubuntu do that, and Unix you need to do = that! So yes, I would say they are pretty much the same to configure!=C2=A0= My software is installed so any issues I might have, are in the configurati= on!

On= Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.c= om> wrote:
> I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our own
> servers ...

I think it makes sense to distinguish between "I own my own
hardware" and "I rent/lease my hardware".=C2=A0 I think most= WebDNA
users rent/lease their server hardware these days.=C2=A0 Maybe you
disagree, and maybe you're right.=C2=A0 I could be wrong, but:

Given the minuscule cost of a commodity VPS, it makes no sense
(for me anyways) to deal with any hardware or network access
issues when a professional hosting company will deal with all this
for me -- and charge me a pittance for a VPS that I control
exclusively and therefore personally setup and configure with my
choice of OS and all other software, WebDNA included.


> ... because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and
> the one that does wants a fortune per domain.

When you're managing the server software yourself like I do, it
doesn't matter if a hosting company knows anything about WebDNA
because they have nothing to do with it!=C2=A0 So I couldn't care less<= br> if most hosting companies have ever heard of WebDNA -- because I
can still run it on their hardware without a problem.

This allows me to AVOID investing in hardware that will become
obsolete in a few years, dealing with colocation services, setting
up a physical server in my home/office, etc., etc.

Believe me, I went through the stage of running my own server
hardware while I was living in Hawaii a very long time ago, and it
was never a simple or pleasant thing to do.=C2=A0 There was always
something I had to attend to.=C2=A0 Something always needed tweaking or
fixing or replacing.=C2=A0 or the colo host was having issues or needed
to move to a new building or whatever.=C2=A0 It was not fun at all --
just a time-consuming PITA now that I look back on it.


> Also, seems like post to the list are screened and sometimes
> deleted.

You are the first person I can recall who has suggested such a
thing.=C2=A0 Do you really think someone from WSC has the time and/or
the desire to sit there and read every post before approving it
for distribution to the list subscribers?


> And it seems odd the first time I see a post it already has 4
> answers and or replies...?

I have seen occasions where an original post does not appear
before the replies.=C2=A0 Sometimes it gets shuffled off to my SPAM
box, but other times it just seems to happen that messages do not
appear in chronological order.


> And Apache, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any
> unix based machine!

How did you come to this conclusion?=C2=A0 Did you read something th= at
made you believe this?=C2=A0 Or do you actually have some experience
configuring different varieties of unix-based servers?


> Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a
> "little" help migrating over to the new server.

Chris thought it might be a WebDNA issue, that's why he was
apparently willing to help track down the suspected "WebDNA bug".=
But it was not a bug, it was a simple Apache configuration issue.

Anyways, since we're on the topic you should know that Chris/WSC
offer paid technical support on a case-by-case basis now.

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration
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  1. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  2. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Kenneth Grome 2017)
  3. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  4. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Stuart Tremain 2017)
  5. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  6. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Kenneth Grome 2017)
  7. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Kenneth Grome 2017)
  8. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Stuart Tremain 2017)
  9. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  10. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  11. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Boegershausen 2017)
  12. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Kenneth Grome 2017)
  13. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  14. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2017)
  15. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Kenneth Grome 2017)
  16. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  17. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Bob Minor 2017)
  18. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Kenneth Grome 2017)
  19. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  20. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan (Kenneth Grome 2017)
  21. [WebDNA] El Capitan (Brian Harrington 2017)
  22. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2015)
  23. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (Steve Craig 2015)
  24. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (Steve Craig 2015)
  25. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (Michael Davis 2015)
  26. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2015)
  27. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2015)
  28. Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (Steve Craig 2015)
  29. [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2015)
  30. [WebDNA] El Capitan (Steve Craig 2015)
1504 --f403043730c072672e0560ca33d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I don't see how you managing your co-located leased sever and installing webdna, vhost and configuring it remotely, is somehow less work than owning. Most them companies end up out of business, and I did try co-locating my sever once and the place burned down leaving me with nothing! My old server that I finally shut down last night was a 2006! It ran on-and-off for 12 years and owes me nothing, yet still has value. And, when I read Apache, WebDNA, or postfix... it does not state their is a difference between OS's! I don't see for a Mac do this, and Ubuntu do that, and Unix you need to do that! So yes, I would say they are pretty much the same to configure! My software is installed so any issues I might have, are in the configuration! On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > > I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our own > > servers ... > > I think it makes sense to distinguish between "I own my own > hardware" and "I rent/lease my hardware". I think most WebDNA > users rent/lease their server hardware these days. Maybe you > disagree, and maybe you're right. I could be wrong, but: > > Given the minuscule cost of a commodity VPS, it makes no sense > (for me anyways) to deal with any hardware or network access > issues when a professional hosting company will deal with all this > for me -- and charge me a pittance for a VPS that I control > exclusively and therefore personally setup and configure with my > choice of OS and all other software, WebDNA included. > > > > ... because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and > > the one that does wants a fortune per domain. > > When you're managing the server software yourself like I do, it > doesn't matter if a hosting company knows anything about WebDNA > because they have nothing to do with it! So I couldn't care less > if most hosting companies have ever heard of WebDNA -- because I > can still run it on their hardware without a problem. > > This allows me to AVOID investing in hardware that will become > obsolete in a few years, dealing with colocation services, setting > up a physical server in my home/office, etc., etc. > > Believe me, I went through the stage of running my own server > hardware while I was living in Hawaii a very long time ago, and it > was never a simple or pleasant thing to do. There was always > something I had to attend to. Something always needed tweaking or > fixing or replacing. or the colo host was having issues or needed > to move to a new building or whatever. It was not fun at all -- > just a time-consuming PITA now that I look back on it. > > > > Also, seems like post to the list are screened and sometimes > > deleted. > > You are the first person I can recall who has suggested such a > thing. Do you really think someone from WSC has the time and/or > the desire to sit there and read every post before approving it > for distribution to the list subscribers? > > > > And it seems odd the first time I see a post it already has 4 > > answers and or replies...? > > I have seen occasions where an original post does not appear > before the replies. Sometimes it gets shuffled off to my SPAM > box, but other times it just seems to happen that messages do not > appear in chronological order. > > > > And Apache, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any > > unix based machine! > > How did you come to this conclusion? Did you read something that > made you believe this? Or do you actually have some experience > configuring different varieties of unix-based servers? > > > > Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a > > "little" help migrating over to the new server. > > Chris thought it might be a WebDNA issue, that's why he was > apparently willing to help track down the suspected "WebDNA bug". > But it was not a bug, it was a simple Apache configuration issue. > > Anyways, since we're on the topic you should know that Chris/WSC > offer paid technical support on a case-by-case basis now. > > Regards, > Kenneth Grome > WebDNA Solutions > http://www.webdnasolutions.com > Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=55 > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --f403043730c072672e0560ca33d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't see how you managing your co-located leased se= ver and installing webdna, vhost and configuring it remotely, is somehow le= ss work than owning.=C2=A0

Most them companies end up ou= t of business, and I did try co-locating my sever once and the place burned= down leaving me with nothing! My old server that I finally shut down last = night was a 2006! It ran on-and-off for 12 years and owes me nothing, yet s= till has value.

And, when I read Apache, WebDNA, o= r postfix... it does not state their is a difference between OS's! I do= n't see for a Mac do this, and Ubuntu do that, and Unix you need to do = that! So yes, I would say they are pretty much the same to configure!=C2=A0= My software is installed so any issues I might have, are in the configurati= on!

On= Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.c= om> wrote:
> I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our own
> servers ...

I think it makes sense to distinguish between "I own my own
hardware" and "I rent/lease my hardware".=C2=A0 I think most= WebDNA
users rent/lease their server hardware these days.=C2=A0 Maybe you
disagree, and maybe you're right.=C2=A0 I could be wrong, but:

Given the minuscule cost of a commodity VPS, it makes no sense
(for me anyways) to deal with any hardware or network access
issues when a professional hosting company will deal with all this
for me -- and charge me a pittance for a VPS that I control
exclusively and therefore personally setup and configure with my
choice of OS and all other software, WebDNA included.


> ... because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and
> the one that does wants a fortune per domain.

When you're managing the server software yourself like I do, it
doesn't matter if a hosting company knows anything about WebDNA
because they have nothing to do with it!=C2=A0 So I couldn't care less<= br> if most hosting companies have ever heard of WebDNA -- because I
can still run it on their hardware without a problem.

This allows me to AVOID investing in hardware that will become
obsolete in a few years, dealing with colocation services, setting
up a physical server in my home/office, etc., etc.

Believe me, I went through the stage of running my own server
hardware while I was living in Hawaii a very long time ago, and it
was never a simple or pleasant thing to do.=C2=A0 There was always
something I had to attend to.=C2=A0 Something always needed tweaking or
fixing or replacing.=C2=A0 or the colo host was having issues or needed
to move to a new building or whatever.=C2=A0 It was not fun at all --
just a time-consuming PITA now that I look back on it.


> Also, seems like post to the list are screened and sometimes
> deleted.

You are the first person I can recall who has suggested such a
thing.=C2=A0 Do you really think someone from WSC has the time and/or
the desire to sit there and read every post before approving it
for distribution to the list subscribers?


> And it seems odd the first time I see a post it already has 4
> answers and or replies...?

I have seen occasions where an original post does not appear
before the replies.=C2=A0 Sometimes it gets shuffled off to my SPAM
box, but other times it just seems to happen that messages do not
appear in chronological order.


> And Apache, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any
> unix based machine!

How did you come to this conclusion?=C2=A0 Did you read something th= at
made you believe this?=C2=A0 Or do you actually have some experience
configuring different varieties of unix-based servers?


> Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a
> "little" help migrating over to the new server.

Chris thought it might be a WebDNA issue, that's why he was
apparently willing to help track down the suspected "WebDNA bug".=
But it was not a bug, it was a simple Apache configuration issue.

Anyways, since we're on the topic you should know that Chris/WSC
offer paid technical support on a case-by-case basis now.

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration
----------------------------= -----------------------------
This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to
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To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-lea= ve@webdna.us
archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55
Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us

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