Re: WebCatalog as a ListServ
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 1998
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 17863
interpreted = N
texte = >As a RAM database, I don't think it's too much to ask for for it to be able >to write files to a disk; even if it's a lot of them. But it should be able >to do this in a multithreaded manner.Yes, WebCatalog can write tons of files to disk quickly, but I believe no matter what OS your using, there is going to a slow down trying to manage that. And the disk itself is also going to be busy for a minute writing the beginning and end of all those files.>And that's my problem with the Mac WebCatalog CGI at the moment. I have a >customer who very well could be the next Land's End. I want a program that >won't choke when serving 5000 simultaneous web surfers all doing searches at >the same time. This will require heavy multithreading.Is there some reason you are not using the plug-in?>If I'm am having problems because of my server software, or choice of OS, >then someone just point it out. If WindowsNT can handle this, then I'll have >a dual PII-300 here on Tuesday! (it would fit better in the rack anyway.) If >WebTen is better, just speak up, and I'll switch. But whatever I change, I >have to get multithreading that works.Give WebTen a try. I believe you would see a noticable increase in speed and stability with WebTen, plus it gives the webmaster much more control of the server and plug-ins. With it you can do just about anything you need with out being right in front of the server, in fact to access the major controls you have to access the admin server via a web browser (which runs as a totally seperate server on a different port).Also... I would not be suprised to see a future release of WebTen to include some of the features of NetTen (a seperate program from Tenon that is a email server - IMAP and POP3 - and a name server), and maybe something like one of the popular unix listservs thrown in the mix.>For those of you still reading this tirade, I'd like to also spread some >information I have gleaned from attempting this. I had a list that had about >50 emails (out of 5000) that had a ~(tilde) somewhere in the email address >field. If I tried to send the whole list at once, WebCatalog would write >double (10000) files to the hard drive. I still can't figure out why. (try >emptying the trash of 10000 files in one directory...I had to throw away the >directory from another machine then crash the client to get the server via >AppleShare to quickly and quietly delete the files) I ended up breaking the >list to 5 lists of 1000 lines each, and never had a problem. I've since >cleaned the database (4300 names survived), and now if I attempt to send, it >works just fine. (still locks the server up for 1 minute per thousand names, >but that's pretty fast, it would just be nice if someone could hit webpages >while this was happening. > >Finally, if anyone has any suggestions or comments regarding LetterRip or >Sims with Autoshare, please forward them to me, as I'm in the market for >some listServ software. Britt T. -------------------------------------------------------- || Britt@fishingworld.com || Britt@easttexas.com || -------------------------------------------------------- || World Masters - || P.O. Box 1989 || || Graphic Designs, || Lindale, TX 75771 || || Web Site Development, || Phone: (903) 882-8877 || || Web Site Hosting. || Fax: (903) 882-3110 || --------------------------------------------------------
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>As a RAM database, I don't think it's too much to ask for for it to be able >to write files to a disk; even if it's a lot of them. But it should be able >to do this in a multithreaded manner.Yes, WebCatalog can write tons of files to disk quickly, but I believe no matter what OS your using, there is going to a slow down trying to manage that. And the disk itself is also going to be busy for a minute writing the beginning and end of all those files.>And that's my problem with the Mac WebCatalog CGI at the moment. I have a >customer who very well could be the next Land's End. I want a program that >won't choke when serving 5000 simultaneous web surfers all doing searches at >the same time. This will require heavy multithreading.Is there some reason you are not using the plug-in?>If I'm am having problems because of my server software, or choice of OS, >then someone just point it out. If WindowsNT can handle this, then I'll have >a dual PII-300 here on Tuesday! (it would fit better in the rack anyway.) If >WebTen is better, just speak up, and I'll switch. But whatever I change, I >have to get multithreading that works.Give WebTen a try. I believe you would see a noticable increase in speed and stability with WebTen, plus it gives the webmaster much more control of the server and plug-ins. With it you can do just about anything you need with out being right in front of the server, in fact to access the major controls you have to access the admin server via a web browser (which runs as a totally seperate server on a different port).Also... I would not be suprised to see a future release of WebTen to include some of the features of NetTen (a seperate program from Tenon that is a email server - IMAP and POP3 - and a name server), and maybe something like one of the popular unix listservs thrown in the mix.>For those of you still reading this tirade, I'd like to also spread some >information I have gleaned from attempting this. I had a list that had about >50 emails (out of 5000) that had a ~(tilde) somewhere in the email address >field. If I tried to send the whole list at once, WebCatalog would write >double (10000) files to the hard drive. I still can't figure out why. (try >emptying the trash of 10000 files in one directory...I had to throw away the >directory from another machine then crash the client to get the server via >AppleShare to quickly and quietly delete the files) I ended up breaking the >list to 5 lists of 1000 lines each, and never had a problem. I've since >cleaned the database (4300 names survived), and now if I attempt to send, it >works just fine. (still locks the server up for 1 minute per thousand names, >but that's pretty fast, it would just be nice if someone could hit webpages >while this was happening. > >Finally, if anyone has any suggestions or comments regarding LetterRip or >Sims with Autoshare, please forward them to me, as I'm in the market for >some listServ software. Britt T. -------------------------------------------------------- || Britt@fishingworld.com || Britt@easttexas.com || -------------------------------------------------------- || World Masters - || P.O. Box 1989 || || Graphic Designs, || Lindale, TX 75771 || || Web Site Development, || Phone: (903) 882-8877 || || Web Site Hosting. || Fax: (903) 882-3110 || --------------------------------------------------------
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