Re: Integration?
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numero = 22727
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texte = >I have a question that I was hoping would start a discussion about >peoples experiences integrating WebCat into their Web Development scene.I hope so too. We are people after all and not just the fleshware that enables computers to function. Hopefully those who don't want to toss about ideas in this area can just note the thread topic and skip over it. >There is a section of the site that I will be developing as a custom set of templates >for this store. My boss does not want it to be done using a database so he can >work on it too. I on the other hand can't imagine any other way of doing it.1) Can the visual aspects of the pages those templates will implement be turned over to your boss so he is designing what people will be seeing while you are doing the behind the scenes work?2) Can what your boss is aiming at be slightly modified so that you can then take on a WebCat challenge of a lifetime and still get that database functionality in there?I have struggled with similar problems in my venture. I have two partners who are both strong-minded, creative, talented, hard-working business women who are very much used to being in a position of hands-on control. Unfortunately neither of them have worked with computers or want to. I had worked with computers but never done any programming, websites etc. so I was a few notches above knowing nada.But the three of us were all wanting to be doing a totally different kind of thing when that new millenium came rolling in soooo . . .I hadn't been enamoured with the majority of ecommerce sites I'd visited because they made me feel like I was rifling through a stack of court documents with a few polaroids thrown in here and there. Some had functionality but lacked enough visual stimulation for me to want to hang around long enough to shop, etc. (Note * None of the sites I visited were ones designed by the wondrous people who frequent this list. Coming across sites designed with WebCat were the reason I wanted to utilize this software.)Anyway, I was fascinated by the whole web thing and I've always felt one shouldn't stand on the sidelines yada-ing about others efforts unless one was willing to put their own ideas into practice.And golly if the whole idea of creating some really neat e-commerce websites didn't sound like more fun than a bunch of happy kittens.My partners thought so too!So it was one of those jump on in, the water's fine moments. (Pretend you hear a midi of a gigantic boistrous splash!!!) Then, merely seconds later . . . Comments made by those swimming cheerfully by . . . You can't swiw a stroke can you?? Swim? She can't even tread water !!>The problem lies in that my boss who is the designer, is uncomfortable with >code and uses CyberStudio to do almost everything he does code.Luckily for me, once our first sites are up my partners will then be able to do what it is they do so well - handling product and orders and interaction with customers etc. For my partners it is the equivalent of having to wait while a store is being physically built and them realizing they wouldn't expect themselves to suddenly become contractors, electricians, plumbers and so on.That part was left up to me the one who loved computers to pull off. And I was perfect for the role cuz I'm the sort of person who's always loved a good intellectual challenge. :D>So my question is this...I guess it is becoming a reality to my boss that >the sites we are starting to do are beginning to move out of his grasp.>Has anyone else had to deal with this? Any input would be greatly >appreciated - especially if it makes the integration easier for everyone >here.I, myself, still remain a code-challenged individual. But if your boss truly wants the sites to not move out of his grasp then it is his responsibility to get his bottom in gear and start doing a whole lot of learning. Otherwise he will be sacrificing a level of functionality in the sites he creates for his clients in order to pander to his ignorance and that isn't fair to the clients.If your boss wants to be in the business of developing websites then he's gonna need to know his stuff. Maybe a copy of The Absolute Beginner's Guide to Programming or some of those nifty For Dummies books tucked anonymously into his mail cubby at work and a cheery little note assuring him it's not really as overwhelming as it seems at first yada yada yada (which of course is an outright lie except in the sense that it's even more overwhelming than it seems at first, but by the time he realizes that he'll either keep going till he gets up to speed or at least he'll understand enough of the functionality of things so you can work more efficiently as a team).My WebCat integration problem lies with another friend who (after a few monthes of watching me flop around like a goldfish out of its bowl) is helping me with programming but has never utilized WebCat or WebDNA and doesn't understand my determination to utilize it in my sites. So it's kind of the opposite of what you're going thru. I'm the designer who was determined to have top-rate functionality integrated into my visual creations and is slogging away learning stuff that makes my braincells feel like they're frying more often than not. And my programming friend is looking at me like you were looking at your boss when he insisted on no databases . . . while I babble on about how he is gonna just love this WebDNA stuff and he wants to just do it the way he's always done it.Golly if all this personalities stuff doesn't just add the cherry to the top of a sundae that was pretty darned complicated already.But don't get discouraged. This is still better than digging ditches or mucking out stables ( or at least I hope it is : D ).Robin
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>I have a question that I was hoping would start a discussion about >peoples experiences integrating WebCat into their Web Development scene.I hope so too. We are people after all and not just the fleshware that enables computers to function. Hopefully those who don't want to toss about ideas in this area can just note the thread topic and skip over it. >There is a section of the site that I will be developing as a custom set of templates >for this store. My boss does not want it to be done using a database so he can >work on it too. I on the other hand can't imagine any other way of doing it.1) Can the visual aspects of the pages those templates will implement be turned over to your boss so he is designing what people will be seeing while you are doing the behind the scenes work?2) Can what your boss is aiming at be slightly modified so that you can then take on a WebCat challenge of a lifetime and still get that database functionality in there?I have struggled with similar problems in my venture. I have two partners who are both strong-minded, creative, talented, hard-working business women who are very much used to being in a position of hands-on control. Unfortunately neither of them have worked with computers or want to. I had worked with computers but never done any programming, websites etc. so I was a few notches above knowing nada.But the three of us were all wanting to be doing a totally different kind of thing when that new millenium came rolling in soooo . . .I hadn't been enamoured with the majority of ecommerce sites I'd visited because they made me feel like I was rifling through a stack of court documents with a few polaroids thrown in here and there. Some had functionality but lacked enough visual stimulation for me to want to hang around long enough to shop, etc. (Note * None of the sites I visited were ones designed by the wondrous people who frequent this list. Coming across sites designed with WebCat were the reason I wanted to utilize this software.)Anyway, I was fascinated by the whole web thing and I've always felt one shouldn't stand on the sidelines yada-ing about others efforts unless one was willing to put their own ideas into practice.And golly if the whole idea of creating some really neat e-commerce websites didn't sound like more fun than a bunch of happy kittens.My partners thought so too!So it was one of those jump on in, the water's fine moments. (Pretend you hear a midi of a gigantic boistrous splash!!!) Then, merely seconds later . . . Comments made by those swimming cheerfully by . . . You can't swiw a stroke can you?? Swim? She can't even tread water !!>The problem lies in that my boss who is the designer, is uncomfortable with >code and uses CyberStudio to do almost everything he does code.Luckily for me, once our first sites are up my partners will then be able to do what it is they do so well - handling product and orders and interaction with customers etc. For my partners it is the equivalent of having to wait while a store is being physically built and them realizing they wouldn't expect themselves to suddenly become contractors, electricians, plumbers and so on.That part was left up to me the one who loved computers to pull off. And I was perfect for the role cuz I'm the sort of person who's always loved a good intellectual challenge. :D>So my question is this...I guess it is becoming a reality to my boss that >the sites we are starting to do are beginning to move out of his grasp.>Has anyone else had to deal with this? Any input would be greatly >appreciated - especially if it makes the integration easier for everyone >here.I, myself, still remain a code-challenged individual. But if your boss truly wants the sites to not move out of his grasp then it is his responsibility to get his bottom in gear and start doing a whole lot of learning. Otherwise he will be sacrificing a level of functionality in the sites he creates for his clients in order to pander to his ignorance and that isn't fair to the clients.If your boss wants to be in the business of developing websites then he's gonna need to know his stuff. Maybe a copy of The Absolute Beginner's Guide to Programming or some of those nifty For Dummies books tucked anonymously into his mail cubby at work and a cheery little note assuring him it's not really as overwhelming as it seems at first yada yada yada (which of course is an outright lie except in the sense that it's even more overwhelming than it seems at first, but by the time he realizes that he'll either keep going till he gets up to speed or at least he'll understand enough of the functionality of things so you can work more efficiently as a team).My WebCat integration problem lies with another friend who (after a few monthes of watching me flop around like a goldfish out of its bowl) is helping me with programming but has never utilized WebCat or WebDNA and doesn't understand my determination to utilize it in my sites. So it's kind of the opposite of what you're going thru. I'm the designer who was determined to have top-rate functionality integrated into my visual creations and is slogging away learning stuff that makes my braincells feel like they're frying more often than not. And my programming friend is looking at me like you were looking at your boss when he insisted on no databases . . . while I babble on about how he is gonna just love this WebDNA stuff and he wants to just do it the way he's always done it.Golly if all this personalities stuff doesn't just add the cherry to the top of a sundae that was pretty darned complicated already.But don't get discouraged. This is still better than digging ditches or mucking out stables ( or at least I hope it is : D ).Robin
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