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Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ...

This WebDNA talk-list message is from

2002

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texte = well said, Michael, well said.On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:31:46 Michael Davis wrote:>On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 09:16 PM, Kenneth >Grome wrote:>>>Here is one reason why webdna is harder to sell than >>other solutions >>when the client is savvy enough to recognize the ongoing >>cost of >>hosting. Competition like this makes other solutions >>appear to be far >>more flexible and adaptable than webdna:>>>>www.infohometech.net/webhostingpromo/>>>>Is there anyone who is running webdna hosting services >>that provides >>similar features at a price anywhere near these rates?>>>Ken,>This is an inevitability of marketing on the internet. > In an arena where the cost of marketing is almost zero, >there is no longer a barrier or perceived barrier to >those who would otherwise be working at McDonalds from >opening a Web based buisiness such as a hosting >company. I've had some experiences regarding companies >like this one that I can cite personally when talking to >potential customers and that has helped open some eyes. > But the otherwise gullible masses have a hard enough >time comprehending bogus chain e-mail, let alone the real >cost of web hosting. Although common perception would >have many believing that the cost of hosting is that low >and heading lower, it is just not going to happen in the >business customer world. It will probably continue to >some extent in the home/hobbyist/college student world, >but who cares. The NetZero model failed. Why? Because >they really did net zero. Now they charge for their >service. If you have potential customers that are dumb >enough to entrust their online identity and presence to a >company who's revenue model is arguably too low to >sustain them long term, then you will have to ask >yourself how much time and effort do you want to put into >educating them. Will that even be worth it. Personally, >I can't justify the cost of acquiring a customer like >that, although I have had many customers _come_ from one >of these low-cost hosting companies after bad >experiences.>>Here's an experience I had: A friend called me last year >who was hosting a site on his DSL line at home (you know, >to save a buck or two). His site was listed on the >Yahoo! front page one morning causing a huge surge in >traffic. His server had slowed to a crawl and his >bandwidth was completely maxed out. To 'fix' the >situation he set up a $4.95 account at one of these >low-cost hosting companies and asked if I would write a >redirect script for all his images, which he had ftp'd >there. His theory was that the html pages alone would >not eat up his bandwidth so he would off-load all the >images to another server on a high speed connection. As >soon as I activated my script his server and DSL line >were happy and all the people trying to visit from Yahoo! >could finally see his site. Success, yes? No. Half an >hour later, the low-cost hosting company's server went >down. Half an hour later, it was back up. But the >images weren't there. He called. They said they had a >system failure and had to restore from a backup. Five >minutes later, they called him. Seems he was using more >than the allotted bandwidth and they would have to send >him over to their business partner, UUNet. UUNet rep >called. Only it wasn't really UUNet. It was someone >downstream who 'had a relationship' with UUNet. They >quoted him $49.99/month for the kind of bandwidth you >are using. > He said no thanks, I'll find another way. He found >another low-budget >company. Got his images uploaded to that server. That >server's connection speed was horrible and half his >images loaded half the time. > The next day, he called and got ahold of the owner- a >19 year old kid >who was kind enough to admit that he was running his >company out of his parent's basement over an ADSL line! > At that point I convinced my friend to pay a bit more >and host with my company. His traffic increased as more >visitors could actually view the site without slow >loading. His epiphany came later that day after >receiving several phone calls from potential customers >about his services (movie production) and all mentioned >that they had almost given up on his site earlier that >day but were glad when they tried back and got the site >immediately.>>Well, after that experience, I just look at these cheap-o >hosting sites and their SPAM and laugh. Most people they >host may never know the difference between hosting with >one of them and hosting with a company like most of us on >this list. They won't notice when their site slows down >or goes off-line. That's because their web site is >mostly irrelivent and, more importantly, has no >visitors/traffic aside from the occasional visit from >their mother-in-law. Let them host there. That is what >the low-cost hosting company is counting on, someone >willing to pay very little for just about nothing. You >don't want those customers. You want the customers who >are serious about their internet presence. You won't >have trouble convincing them to pay a reasonable monthly >fee, because they understand the value.>>>Mike>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------->This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>Web Archive of this list is at: >http://search.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com(208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Jim Lanford 2002)
Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Louis A Perosi 2002)
Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Jesse Williams-Proudman 2002)
Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Alain Russell 2002)
Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Jesse Williams-Proudman 2002)
Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Michael Davis 2002)
Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Dan Strong 2002)
Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Bob Minor 2002)
Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ... (Kenneth Grome 2002)

well said, Michael, well said.On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:31:46 Michael Davis wrote:>On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 09:16 PM, Kenneth >Grome wrote:>>>Here is one reason why webdna is harder to sell than >>other solutions >>when the client is savvy enough to recognize the ongoing >>cost of >>hosting. Competition like this makes other solutions >>appear to be far >>more flexible and adaptable than webdna:>>>>www.infohometech.net/webhostingpromo/>>>>Is there anyone who is running webdna hosting services >>that provides >>similar features at a price anywhere near these rates?>>>Ken,>This is an inevitability of marketing on the internet. > In an arena where the cost of marketing is almost zero, >there is no longer a barrier or perceived barrier to >those who would otherwise be working at McDonalds from >opening a Web based buisiness such as a hosting >company. I've had some experiences regarding companies >like this one that I can cite personally when talking to >potential customers and that has helped open some eyes. > But the otherwise gullible masses have a hard enough >time comprehending bogus chain e-mail, let alone the real >cost of web hosting. Although common perception would >have many believing that the cost of hosting is that low >and heading lower, it is just not going to happen in the >business customer world. It will probably continue to >some extent in the home/hobbyist/college student world, >but who cares. The NetZero model failed. Why? Because >they really did net zero. Now they charge for their >service. If you have potential customers that are dumb >enough to entrust their online identity and presence to a >company who's revenue model is arguably too low to >sustain them long term, then you will have to ask >yourself how much time and effort do you want to put into >educating them. Will that even be worth it. Personally, >I can't justify the cost of acquiring a customer like >that, although I have had many customers _come_ from one >of these low-cost hosting companies after bad >experiences.>>Here's an experience I had: A friend called me last year >who was hosting a site on his DSL line at home (you know, >to save a buck or two). His site was listed on the >Yahoo! front page one morning causing a huge surge in >traffic. His server had slowed to a crawl and his >bandwidth was completely maxed out. To 'fix' the >situation he set up a $4.95 account at one of these >low-cost hosting companies and asked if I would write a >redirect script for all his images, which he had ftp'd >there. His theory was that the html pages alone would >not eat up his bandwidth so he would off-load all the >images to another server on a high speed connection. As >soon as I activated my script his server and DSL line >were happy and all the people trying to visit from Yahoo! >could finally see his site. Success, yes? No. Half an >hour later, the low-cost hosting company's server went >down. Half an hour later, it was back up. But the >images weren't there. He called. They said they had a >system failure and had to restore from a backup. Five >minutes later, they called him. Seems he was using more >than the allotted bandwidth and they would have to send >him over to their business partner, UUNet. UUNet rep >called. Only it wasn't really UUNet. It was someone >downstream who 'had a relationship' with UUNet. They >quoted him $49.99/month for the kind of bandwidth you >are using. > He said no thanks, I'll find another way. He found >another low-budget >company. Got his images uploaded to that server. That >server's connection speed was horrible and half his >images loaded half the time. > The next day, he called and got ahold of the owner- a >19 year old kid >who was kind enough to admit that he was running his >company out of his parent's basement over an ADSL line! > At that point I convinced my friend to pay a bit more >and host with my company. His traffic increased as more >visitors could actually view the site without slow >loading. His epiphany came later that day after >receiving several phone calls from potential customers >about his services (movie production) and all mentioned >that they had almost given up on his site earlier that >day but were glad when they tried back and got the site >immediately.>>Well, after that experience, I just look at these cheap-o >hosting sites and their SPAM and laugh. Most people they >host may never know the difference between hosting with >one of them and hosting with a company like most of us on >this list. They won't notice when their site slows down >or goes off-line. That's because their web site is >mostly irrelivent and, more importantly, has no >visitors/traffic aside from the occasional visit from >their mother-in-law. Let them host there. That is what >the low-cost hosting company is counting on, someone >willing to pay very little for just about nothing. You >don't want those customers. You want the customers who >are serious about their internet presence. You won't >have trouble convincing them to pay a reasonable monthly >fee, because they understand the value.>>>Mike>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------->This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>Web Archive of this list is at: >http://search.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com(208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Dan Strong

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Re: Off-topic: Cheap hosting (but not webdna) ...

2002

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