Re: Privacy Issue (LEGIT QUESTION)
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2003
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 49553
interpreted = N
texte = Funny how when I asked the very same question it gets ignored.On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 07:13 PM, Phillip Bonesteele wrote:> > Alex, > > Thank you for a well stated question. The answer is that nothing bad > happens if a connection can't be established. The logging mechanism's > main > purpose is to help us understand what licenses are being actively used > on > what release versions and OS platforms, not license enforcement. There > is no > 'automatic' or 'active' enforcement mechanism. As stated in the EULA, > it > sends serial number, version, OS, hostname ... the part that wasn't > clearly > stated is this is only IF it can connect. If a connection is made, we > can > reply back with a text message to the admin panel, e.g., upgrade > offers, bug > fix availability, or just please call us. Serial numbers can be > retired due > to cross-grades, upgrades, and trade-ins, in which case we confer with > a > customer when they have completed necessary beta-test, staging, and > production launch of the new license, only after which the old license > is > manually added to a database of retired licenses via an > admin-privileged > template. A retired license defaults to 'demo' mode. > > Bottom line, if someone is determined to pirate software, they'll find > a way > to do it and so any rigid or automatic enforcement mechanism would just > become too onerous for the honest customers. At some point you have to > believe that your honest customers understand that not paying for use > of a > product just hurts their own cause in the long run by making it > difficult to > support and sustain that product. > > On a slightly different thread, if your customers are concerned about > the > commitment to the product, you can look at 5.0 as an indication of that > commitment. Why would any company put several man-years of effort > into a > new product release if there wasn't a long term commitment to the > business > model? The fact that we have remained so committed in the face of the > very > challenging economic times the past few years, and even continued to > invest > significantly in the product, says a lot about our support of the > product > and the business model. > > Phil B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex McCombie > To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com > Sent: 4/15/03 8:03 AM > Subject: Privacy Issue (LEGIT QUESTION) > > Very important question I MUST have answered from SMSI.... > > What happens when webcat attempts to make its connection for Serial > Number > verification if SMSI is not available to respond? > > In a meeting just yesterday where I was beaten up a bit over the SMSI > corporate financials (as it pertains longevity of the company/software) > I > countered with the concept that WebDNA is offering the client a > substantial > cost benefits and even with the loss of author support of the product > the > software will continue to run indefinitely. > > In following the privacy thread (for legitimate business reasons and > not > the > bitching part) I was surprised to see that there is a 2-way > communication > process that can/does occur during this check... Clearly this is for > allowing some type of 'authorized' response which could be altered to > 'disable' retired serials. > > So you are probably beginning to see my concerns. I would hope that the > response, nor even the availability of SMSI servers is NOT required to > enable a legitimate install to start up or continue to run! Then again, > after my beating at the round table yesterday, I am not willing to > leave > it > to faith ;-) Hope you all understand. > > So is a viable connection to the SMSI required for a legitimate install > to > operate? > > Thanks > Alex > > > > > Alex J McCombie New World Media > Chief Information Officer Drawer 607 > 800/724.8973 Fair Haven, NY 13064 > Alex@NewWorldMedia.com http://OurClients.com > > Interface Designer WebDNA Programmer Database Designer ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list
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Funny how when I asked the very same question it gets ignored.On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 07:13 PM, Phillip Bonesteele wrote:> > Alex, > > Thank you for a well stated question. The answer is that nothing bad > happens if a connection can't be established. The logging mechanism's > main > purpose is to help us understand what licenses are being actively used > on > what release versions and OS platforms, not license enforcement. There > is no > 'automatic' or 'active' enforcement mechanism. As stated in the EULA, > it > sends serial number, version, OS, hostname ... the part that wasn't > clearly > stated is this is only IF it can connect. If a connection is made, we > can > reply back with a text message to the admin panel, e.g., upgrade > offers, bug > fix availability, or just please call us. Serial numbers can be > retired due > to cross-grades, upgrades, and trade-ins, in which case we confer with > a > customer when they have completed necessary beta-test, staging, and > production launch of the new license, only after which the old license > is > manually added to a database of retired licenses via an > admin-privileged > template. A retired license defaults to 'demo' mode. > > Bottom line, if someone is determined to pirate software, they'll find > a way > to do it and so any rigid or automatic enforcement mechanism would just > become too onerous for the honest customers. At some point you have to > believe that your honest customers understand that not paying for use > of a > product just hurts their own cause in the long run by making it > difficult to > support and sustain that product. > > On a slightly different thread, if your customers are concerned about > the > commitment to the product, you can look at 5.0 as an indication of that > commitment. Why would any company put several man-years of effort > into a > new product release if there wasn't a long term commitment to the > business > model? The fact that we have remained so committed in the face of the > very > challenging economic times the past few years, and even continued to > invest > significantly in the product, says a lot about our support of the > product > and the business model. > > Phil B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex McCombie > To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com > Sent: 4/15/03 8:03 AM > Subject: Privacy Issue (LEGIT QUESTION) > > Very important question I MUST have answered from SMSI.... > > What happens when webcat attempts to make its connection for Serial > Number > verification if SMSI is not available to respond? > > In a meeting just yesterday where I was beaten up a bit over the SMSI > corporate financials (as it pertains longevity of the company/software) > I > countered with the concept that WebDNA is offering the client a > substantial > cost benefits and even with the loss of author support of the product > the > software will continue to run indefinitely. > > In following the privacy thread (for legitimate business reasons and > not > the > bitching part) I was surprised to see that there is a 2-way > communication > process that can/does occur during this check... Clearly this is for > allowing some type of 'authorized' response which could be altered to > 'disable' retired serials. > > So you are probably beginning to see my concerns. I would hope that the > response, nor even the availability of SMSI servers is NOT required to > enable a legitimate install to start up or continue to run! Then again, > after my beating at the round table yesterday, I am not willing to > leave > it > to faith ;-) Hope you all understand. > > So is a viable connection to the SMSI required for a legitimate install > to > operate? > > Thanks > Alex > > > > > Alex J McCombie New World Media > Chief Information Officer Drawer 607 > 800/724.8973 Fair Haven, NY 13064 > Alex@NewWorldMedia.com http://OurClients.com > > Interface Designer WebDNA Programmer Database Designer ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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