Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro

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texte = Most programmers like PHP for its C-like qualities. Though if you like webcat you should like coldfusion. It is very similar in that it is tag-based. If you can develop in WebCat then the move to ColdFusion is almost seemless. They both have their place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Grome" To: "WebDNA Talk" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro > Thanks for this information. My hosting service just installed a new > LINUX/Apache server and offers SQL (I'm not sure if it's MySQL or > something else), PHP, ColdFusion, ASP, WebDNA, and a handful of > others. > > He likes ColdFusion because of stability and seamless integration > with (someone's version of) SQL but other programmer colleagues have > strongly recommend PHP over ColdFusion, although I'm not sure why so > I will have to check with them again, unless someone here has > experience with both and can suggest one over the other. > > I'm just trying to get a handle on this situation so I can have my > sites rebuilt in something other than WebDNA before it actually > becomes necessary ... > > > > >I have to say "yes" to the conversion question only because LAMP is > >the devil I know. And, yes, PHP works seamlessly with MySQL - > >absolutely. Don't know about the M$ version. > > > >On the hosting side, a LAMP site is easier and cheaper. ColdFusion > >may be an option, I guess, if we hosted ourselves. > > > >We've never used WebDNA with any flavour of SQL, so I can't answer > >that part. Anyone? > > > >--------------------------------- > > > >On Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:11 AM, Kenneth Grome > > wrote: > >>Hi Andrew, > >> > >>If you had to stop using webdna would you convert everything to > >>LAMP? > >> > >>I heard from someone else that ColdFusion works seamlessly with SQL > >>... would you say that PHP also works properly with SQL? Is it > >>easier to make PHP work with SQL than making webdna work with > >>SQL? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>I guess everyone here knows the advantages of WebDNA so I'll give > >>>the other side of the story. > >>> > >>>We've been using PHP for about a year and, while it hasn't got the > >>>speed-to-build or the speed-to-respond of WebDNA, it has a few > >>>advantages. > >>> > >>>One, there's a massive community of developers who donate their work > >>>for others to use. So, you want a Forum? There are at least 20 free > >>>ones out there for you to reskin (we built a forum in less than a > >>>day, using Phorum). Want a Search facility? Same thing. Check out > >>>some of the User Groups. > >>> > >>>Second, Dreamweaver is starting to provide some basic PHP tools > >>>(dunno about MX 2004 yet) and GoLive has a new integration with an > >>>IDE called Zend Studio. This will make PHP more accessible to more > >>>developers. > >>> > >>>Third, selling a LAMP solution is a no-brainer in most competitive > >>>situations. > >>> > >>>That's about it, to be honest. Not a lot, but, unfortunately, > >>>pretty powerful. > >>> > >>>Don't know squat about ASP, Cold Fusion or anything else. > >>> > >>>Oh, how we wish WebDNA were just half as big - and growing at just > >>>half the pace .... > >>> > >>>----------------------------------------- > >>> > >>>On Thursday, 20 November 2003 10:44 AM, Marc Kaiwi wrote: > >>>>Personally I'm ordering some books on PHP ... I don't know a thing > >>>>about it but I have to admit that it looks like it has a lot of > >>>>potential, and fun too! > >>>> > >>>>... so, at the moment I couldn't compare the two. > >>>> > >>>>MK > >>>> > >>>>On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 03:38 PM, Jeff Logan > >>>>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Now that so many people posted about what platform they are running > >>>>> WebDNA now would be a good time to post this question. > >>>>> > >>>>> To bolster the WebDNA community has anyone made a graph of compari sons > >>>>> on why WebDNA is better then PHP, ASP or other languages? > >>>>> > >>>>> This would be a great resources to show clients and for Smith Micro to > >>>>> have on their web site. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just a thought, > >>>>> Jeff Logan > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>Signed: Marc Kaiwi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>> the mailing list . > >>>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >>>> > >>>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>> the mailing list . > >>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >>> > >>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Sincerely, > >>Kenneth Grome > >>------------------------------------------------------------- > >>Outsource your WebDNA programming for $18 an hour or less! > >>------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------- > >>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >> the mailing list . > >>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >> > >>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > >Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > -- > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Outsource your WebDNA programming for $18 an hour or less! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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  1. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  2. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  3. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Lucas Rockwell 2003)
  4. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  5. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  6. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Glenn Busbin 2003)
  7. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  8. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Clint Davis 2003)
  9. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "flingo" 2003)
  10. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  11. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  12. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  13. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  14. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  15. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  16. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  17. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  18. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  19. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  20. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  21. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  22. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  23. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Matthew A Perosi 2003)
  24. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Donovan Brooke 2003)
  25. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kalin Mintchev 2003)
  26. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Glenn Busbin 2003)
  27. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  28. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  29. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Stuart Tremain 2003)
  30. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( CN Stuff 2003)
  31. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  32. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  33. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  34. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  35. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  36. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  37. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  38. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Phillip Bonesteele 2003)
  39. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kalin Mintchev 2003)
  40. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  41. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "WebDna @" 2003)
  42. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kalin Mintchev 2003)
  43. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Andrew Thompson 2003)
  44. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  45. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  46. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  47. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  48. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kalin Mintchev 2003)
  49. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  50. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Andrew Thompson 2003)
  51. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  52. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  53. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Andrew Thompson 2003)
  54. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  55. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Andrew Thompson 2003)
  56. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  57. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  58. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Marc Kaiwi 2003)
  59. So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jeff Logan 2003)
Most programmers like PHP for its C-like qualities. Though if you like webcat you should like coldfusion. It is very similar in that it is tag-based. If you can develop in WebCat then the move to ColdFusion is almost seemless. They both have their place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Grome" To: "WebDNA Talk" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro > Thanks for this information. My hosting service just installed a new > LINUX/Apache server and offers SQL (I'm not sure if it's MySQL or > something else), PHP, ColdFusion, ASP, WebDNA, and a handful of > others. > > He likes ColdFusion because of stability and seamless integration > with (someone's version of) SQL but other programmer colleagues have > strongly recommend PHP over ColdFusion, although I'm not sure why so > I will have to check with them again, unless someone here has > experience with both and can suggest one over the other. > > I'm just trying to get a handle on this situation so I can have my > sites rebuilt in something other than WebDNA before it actually > becomes necessary ... > > > > >I have to say "yes" to the conversion question only because LAMP is > >the devil I know. And, yes, PHP works seamlessly with MySQL - > >absolutely. Don't know about the M$ version. > > > >On the hosting side, a LAMP site is easier and cheaper. ColdFusion > >may be an option, I guess, if we hosted ourselves. > > > >We've never used WebDNA with any flavour of SQL, so I can't answer > >that part. Anyone? > > > >--------------------------------- > > > >On Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:11 AM, Kenneth Grome > > wrote: > >>Hi Andrew, > >> > >>If you had to stop using webdna would you convert everything to > >>LAMP? > >> > >>I heard from someone else that ColdFusion works seamlessly with SQL > >>... would you say that PHP also works properly with SQL? Is it > >>easier to make PHP work with SQL than making webdna work with > >>SQL? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>I guess everyone here knows the advantages of WebDNA so I'll give > >>>the other side of the story. > >>> > >>>We've been using PHP for about a year and, while it hasn't got the > >>>speed-to-build or the speed-to-respond of WebDNA, it has a few > >>>advantages. > >>> > >>>One, there's a massive community of developers who donate their work > >>>for others to use. So, you want a Forum? There are at least 20 free > >>>ones out there for you to reskin (we built a forum in less than a > >>>day, using Phorum). Want a Search facility? Same thing. Check out > >>>some of the User Groups. > >>> > >>>Second, Dreamweaver is starting to provide some basic PHP tools > >>>(dunno about MX 2004 yet) and GoLive has a new integration with an > >>>IDE called Zend Studio. This will make PHP more accessible to more > >>>developers. > >>> > >>>Third, selling a LAMP solution is a no-brainer in most competitive > >>>situations. > >>> > >>>That's about it, to be honest. Not a lot, but, unfortunately, > >>>pretty powerful. > >>> > >>>Don't know squat about ASP, Cold Fusion or anything else. > >>> > >>>Oh, how we wish WebDNA were just half as big - and growing at just > >>>half the pace .... > >>> > >>>----------------------------------------- > >>> > >>>On Thursday, 20 November 2003 10:44 AM, Marc Kaiwi wrote: > >>>>Personally I'm ordering some books on PHP ... I don't know a thing > >>>>about it but I have to admit that it looks like it has a lot of > >>>>potential, and fun too! > >>>> > >>>>... so, at the moment I couldn't compare the two. > >>>> > >>>>MK > >>>> > >>>>On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 03:38 PM, Jeff Logan > >>>>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Now that so many people posted about what platform they are running > >>>>> WebDNA now would be a good time to post this question. > >>>>> > >>>>> To bolster the WebDNA community has anyone made a graph of compari sons > >>>>> on why WebDNA is better then PHP, ASP or other languages? > >>>>> > >>>>> This would be a great resources to show clients and for Smith Micro to > >>>>> have on their web site. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just a thought, > >>>>> Jeff Logan > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>Signed: Marc Kaiwi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>> the mailing list . > >>>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >>>> > >>>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>> the mailing list . > >>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >>> > >>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Sincerely, > >>Kenneth Grome > >>------------------------------------------------------------- > >>Outsource your WebDNA programming for $18 an hour or less! > >>------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------- > >>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >> the mailing list . > >>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >> > >>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > >Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > -- > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Outsource your WebDNA programming for $18 an hour or less! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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