Re: [WebDNA] Help with STMP Setup using Authentication with Google Apps in WebDNA
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texte = 857 Google "smtp telnet" test.=20 Do your test with the server you are using, via the terminal.=20 D. Brooke Mobile > On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Burger
w= rote: >=20 > Of course. It's a possibility with a new release of a relatively new OS. D= o you (or anyone) have any feedback or knowledge of being able to get SMTP A= uthentication to work with Google Apps at all? Or other widely implemented c= loud-hosted email services? Yes - I do acknowledge the unique weirdness some= times associated with Google Services in general compared to other standard e= mail approaches. >=20 > The new server machine is powered Server (under-the-hood Apache 2.2), whic= h ran and is practically unchanged from El Capitan (OS X 10.11), at least in= respect to the Website services=E2=80=A6 Do you happen to know if sendmail= / WebDNA 8 has similar problems under El Capitan? It would be really helpfu= l if anyone could verify that something like this has worked before going do= wn the route of starting up a whole new test server. I=E2=80=99d also prefe= r not to go too far back on the OS version, as that=E2=80=99s one of the maj= or reasons for the server migration to begin with=E2=80=A6 >=20 > Donovan - Definitely appreciate the help and time you=E2=80=99ve put in so= far and any additional insight you are willing to give. Keeping my fingers= crossed... >=20 > If anyone else has any experience with running WebDNA 8 on relatively rece= nt OS X/macOS versions, please feel free to pipe in too. >=20 >=20 > Thanks again! >=20 >=20 > Andrew Burger > =20 >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Andrew,=20 >> I=E2=80=99m sure it helps, but I haven=E2=80=99t worked on this OS (sierr= a) in a server capacity. >> This is where I=E2=80=99ll have to pass off to someone else :-) >>=20 >> (My hunch is that the problem is something to do with that OS) >>=20 >> Donovan >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burger wrote: >>>=20 >>> We are moving from a machine with OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion) to macOS 1= 0.12.2 (Sierra - latest public build). WebDNA is using Server Unlimited lic= ense on both. Partly why we are going through this=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> Here=E2=80=99s some quick information from WebCatalog to help you better= understand our environment. >>>=20 >>> Mountain Lion Statistics (Old machine): >>>=20 >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working Unlimite= d mode >>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy >>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains >>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited databases at= one time >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS X Apa= che Module version 6.2 >>>=20 >>> Sierra Statistics (New machine): >>>=20 >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working Unlimite= d mode >>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy >>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains >>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited databases at= one time >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS X Apa= che Module version 8.2 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hope that helps! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Andrew Burger >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Is this a different operating system than the 6 server? If so, what OS a= nd version? >>>>=20 >>>> Is this the latest WebDNA Server 8 version? >>>>=20 >>>> Donovan >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Burger wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi Donovan. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Excellent question. Not using server sandboxes in this case (because t= his is not a shared server situation). We are using a dedicated physical se= rver for this. >>>>>=20 >>>>> We can do whatever is needed on the server in every respect, with the e= xception of what I=E2=80=99m trying to pass through Google Apps with Auth/SM= TP, etc. Ideally, I=E2=80=99d prefer not configure / troubleshoot / secure-= harden mail services there (since that is a real pain) if possible. But, th= at being said, I=E2=80=99ll do what I have to do. ;-) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Also, thanks for the note regarding bug reporting. Now that I have th= e info from email notices, I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and report that. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks! >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Andrew Burger >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> One common mistake (I still make this mistake sometimes)=E2=80=A6=20 >>>>>> Are you using WebDNA Server SandBoxes by chance? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Regarding bug reporting, there is a link at the bottom of this email.= >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Donovan >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Andrew Burger wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Objective: >>>>>>> We are currently in the middle of migrating our production WebDNA 6 s= erver to a new one with WebDNA 8. The remaining piece left to get working i= s having WebDNA send out email message via the sendmail command. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Current Setup: >>>>>>> The current production WebDNA 6 server works via localhost (although= exactly how that works is a little bit of a mystery to me since we haven=E2= =80=99t done any additional mail services setup on that server but anyway=E2= =80=A6). More to the point, I=E2=80=99ve been able to get the current produ= ction WebDNA server to work, as long as the proper SPF record was in place. = So we have a working routine in production now. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Steps Taken to Troubleshoot: >>>>>>> With the new WebDNA 8 server, I=E2=80=99ve been unable to get the se= ndmail command to send out a valid message. I have done verifications throu= gh WebDNA Email Folders. EmailCompleted have properly processed the message a= nd confirmed that it =E2=80=9Csent=E2=80=9D in the Email log file. However,= no message appears to go through to the recipients. I=E2=80=99ve even gone t= hrough an additional setup of setting up the G Suite SMTP relay server and w= hitelisted the originating IP address of the new WebDNA server inside the Re= lay settings and whitelisting the IP for emails in Google Admin for regular S= MTP (in addition to the proper SPF record like I did for the currently worki= ng server). I haven=E2=80=99t gotten any SPF passes or rejections though, s= o I=E2=80=99m not even entirely confident that it=E2=80=99s even getting to G= oogle servers yet for processing. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Has anyone else had any luck getting email authentication working wi= th Google Apps email? I would truly appreciate anyone that has some insight= from anyone that=E2=80=99s got this to work or whether we can confirm if so= mething has changed with the mechanism used for the sendmail command between= WebDNA 6 or 8... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sorry if that=E2=80=99s a lot of information up front but wanted to e= xplain what I=E2=80=99m trying to accomplish and the steps taken so far to g= enerate some useful feedback. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks so much and happy holidays! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Andrew Burger >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> PS - Pleased to meet all of you. Just subscribed to the list and lo= oking forward to getting to learn from the rest of you. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> PPS - Also uncovered an issue in the WebCatalog Email Setup preferen= ces in WebDNA Server 8. It doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be possible to uncheck= STMP Auth and Require TLS through the web interface once you enable it. Ha= d to manually force the param value back to 0 through a WebDNA call to switc= h back and test =E2=80=98localhost' settings. Is there a proper way to repo= rt bugs like this or is already a known issue?------------------------------= --------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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857 Google "smtp telnet" test.=20 Do your test with the server you are using, via the terminal.=20 D. Brooke Mobile > On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Burger w= rote: >=20 > Of course. It's a possibility with a new release of a relatively new OS. D= o you (or anyone) have any feedback or knowledge of being able to get SMTP A= uthentication to work with Google Apps at all? Or other widely implemented c= loud-hosted email services? Yes - I do acknowledge the unique weirdness some= times associated with Google Services in general compared to other standard e= mail approaches. >=20 > The new server machine is powered Server (under-the-hood Apache 2.2), whic= h ran and is practically unchanged from El Capitan (OS X 10.11), at least in= respect to the Website services=E2=80=A6 Do you happen to know if sendmail= / WebDNA 8 has similar problems under El Capitan? It would be really helpfu= l if anyone could verify that something like this has worked before going do= wn the route of starting up a whole new test server. I=E2=80=99d also prefe= r not to go too far back on the OS version, as that=E2=80=99s one of the maj= or reasons for the server migration to begin with=E2=80=A6 >=20 > Donovan - Definitely appreciate the help and time you=E2=80=99ve put in so= far and any additional insight you are willing to give. Keeping my fingers= crossed... >=20 > If anyone else has any experience with running WebDNA 8 on relatively rece= nt OS X/macOS versions, please feel free to pipe in too. >=20 >=20 > Thanks again! >=20 >=20 > Andrew Burger > =20 >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Andrew,=20 >> I=E2=80=99m sure it helps, but I haven=E2=80=99t worked on this OS (sierr= a) in a server capacity. >> This is where I=E2=80=99ll have to pass off to someone else :-) >>=20 >> (My hunch is that the problem is something to do with that OS) >>=20 >> Donovan >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burger wrote: >>>=20 >>> We are moving from a machine with OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion) to macOS 1= 0.12.2 (Sierra - latest public build). WebDNA is using Server Unlimited lic= ense on both. Partly why we are going through this=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> Here=E2=80=99s some quick information from WebCatalog to help you better= understand our environment. >>>=20 >>> Mountain Lion Statistics (Old machine): >>>=20 >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working Unlimite= d mode >>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy >>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains >>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited databases at= one time >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS X Apa= che Module version 6.2 >>>=20 >>> Sierra Statistics (New machine): >>>=20 >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working Unlimite= d mode >>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy >>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains >>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited databases at= one time >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS X Apa= che Module version 8.2 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hope that helps! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Andrew Burger >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Is this a different operating system than the 6 server? If so, what OS a= nd version? >>>>=20 >>>> Is this the latest WebDNA Server 8 version? >>>>=20 >>>> Donovan >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Burger wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi Donovan. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Excellent question. Not using server sandboxes in this case (because t= his is not a shared server situation). We are using a dedicated physical se= rver for this. >>>>>=20 >>>>> We can do whatever is needed on the server in every respect, with the e= xception of what I=E2=80=99m trying to pass through Google Apps with Auth/SM= TP, etc. Ideally, I=E2=80=99d prefer not configure / troubleshoot / secure-= harden mail services there (since that is a real pain) if possible. But, th= at being said, I=E2=80=99ll do what I have to do. ;-) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Also, thanks for the note regarding bug reporting. Now that I have th= e info from email notices, I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and report that. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks! >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Andrew Burger >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> One common mistake (I still make this mistake sometimes)=E2=80=A6=20 >>>>>> Are you using WebDNA Server SandBoxes by chance? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Regarding bug reporting, there is a link at the bottom of this email.= >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Donovan >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Andrew Burger wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Objective: >>>>>>> We are currently in the middle of migrating our production WebDNA 6 s= erver to a new one with WebDNA 8. The remaining piece left to get working i= s having WebDNA send out email message via the sendmail command. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Current Setup: >>>>>>> The current production WebDNA 6 server works via localhost (although= exactly how that works is a little bit of a mystery to me since we haven=E2= =80=99t done any additional mail services setup on that server but anyway=E2= =80=A6). More to the point, I=E2=80=99ve been able to get the current produ= ction WebDNA server to work, as long as the proper SPF record was in place. = So we have a working routine in production now. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Steps Taken to Troubleshoot: >>>>>>> With the new WebDNA 8 server, I=E2=80=99ve been unable to get the se= ndmail command to send out a valid message. I have done verifications throu= gh WebDNA Email Folders. EmailCompleted have properly processed the message a= nd confirmed that it =E2=80=9Csent=E2=80=9D in the Email log file. However,= no message appears to go through to the recipients. I=E2=80=99ve even gone t= hrough an additional setup of setting up the G Suite SMTP relay server and w= hitelisted the originating IP address of the new WebDNA server inside the Re= lay settings and whitelisting the IP for emails in Google Admin for regular S= MTP (in addition to the proper SPF record like I did for the currently worki= ng server). I haven=E2=80=99t gotten any SPF passes or rejections though, s= o I=E2=80=99m not even entirely confident that it=E2=80=99s even getting to G= oogle servers yet for processing. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Has anyone else had any luck getting email authentication working wi= th Google Apps email? I would truly appreciate anyone that has some insight= from anyone that=E2=80=99s got this to work or whether we can confirm if so= mething has changed with the mechanism used for the sendmail command between= WebDNA 6 or 8... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sorry if that=E2=80=99s a lot of information up front but wanted to e= xplain what I=E2=80=99m trying to accomplish and the steps taken so far to g= enerate some useful feedback. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks so much and happy holidays! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Andrew Burger >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> PS - Pleased to meet all of you. Just subscribed to the list and lo= oking forward to getting to learn from the rest of you. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> PPS - Also uncovered an issue in the WebCatalog Email Setup preferen= ces in WebDNA Server 8. It doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be possible to uncheck= STMP Auth and Require TLS through the web interface once you enable it. Ha= d to manually force the param value back to 0 through a WebDNA call to switc= h back and test =E2=80=98localhost' settings. Is there a proper way to repo= rt bugs like this or is already a known issue?------------------------------= --------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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