Re: [WebDNA] Mac Question
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2018
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texte = 2070 I agree that OSX is a great operating system and I use it every day. However= , I think that hosting services like email and web are infinitely better han= dled by cloud based systems. These systems leverage all available resources in a data center so equipment= failure is no longer an issue. Network connections are significantly faster= and are much more redundant. The main reason, though, is that an OS tuned for this purpose is typically b= uilt without a graphic interface or any of the large and complicated softwar= e involved with that function. These types of OSes are lean, secure and fast= er. They are also easy to emulate, meaning virtually any such OS can run on a= ny hardware. That challenge is easier when the GUI isn=E2=80=99t involved. Today, packages like WHM/cPanel provide a graphic web interface that permits= complete management of the machine. This entire, virtual environment is al= so extremely portable using tools like Docker. Once properly configured, an= entire server can be packaged into a container. That container can then be= quickly launched on any cloud hardware and can dynamically clone as needed t= o meet load. As a service, WebDNA is, in my opinion, the absolute best server side script= ing language that has ever existed. But it has not made the transition into a= package that is compatible with today=E2=80=99s cloud hosting environments.= You would realize a large savings if you were able to dynamically spawn WebD= NA cloud instances to meet any load. You would no longer need to give a seco= nd thought, single dollar or minute of worry about physical equipment. And t= he virtual servers simply never fail. Although the Mac is the best local OS for everyone and handles these respons= ibilities well, it routinely needs reboots because there=E2=80=99s more soft= ware and more updates. The services running on a Mac are the same services -= with some tweaks, that run on cloud systems. But separating those services t= o cloud environments removes overlap between services, which must stay up, a= nd the many applications and GUI running on local equipment. There is no hypervisor - that magical system data centers use to be able to l= ive-swap CPUs, RAM, and hard drives during any failure. Without that, the M= ac can never come close (nor should it) to what cloud systems can do. Mac=E2= =80=99s are excellent user focused machines that happen to be reliable runni= ng services too. Cloud systems are lean speed freaks capable of spreading ac= ross hardware in entire and even multiple data centers. My current system ma= y have CPUs in one rack, RAM in another and hard drives in a different build= ing. I would never even notice. > On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:09 AM, IBS Ltd.
wrote: >=20 > Steve, >=20 > I highly recommend using Surgemail for an email server. It has a million a= nd a half features - it takes sometime to get use to it - and tweak - but we= ll worth it in the end. >=20 > We=E2=80=99ve been using it for many years - and we have thousands of clie= nts. Only a few issues along the way - the support offered by Newtin is beyo= nd excellent and very responsive. The spam fighting tools are stellar. Highl= y recommended.=20 >=20 > >=20 > Embrace the terminal my friend=E2=80=A6 it=E2=80=99s a wicked awesome tool= to have in the shed. It=E2=80=99s frustrating at first=E2=80=A6 but stick w= ith it=E2=80=A6=20 >=20 > =E2=80=94 > Gary >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 19, 2018, at 2:00 AM, talk@webdna.us wrote: >>=20 >> Hi >>=20 >> Just never been much of a terminal user so would be nervous of not knowin= g where to start when it all went to s**t. Maybe that=E2=80=99s not a concer= n. >>=20 >> My server currently just hosts 3 or 4 medium sites and some email so I wo= uld need to match that, any suggestions for suitable email servers? >>=20 >> Cheers >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> Steve Craig - Forest Products (Leisure) Ltd >> Tel +44 1330 860505 Mob +44 7778 007607 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> http://www.forestlogcabins.com >> Email: steve@forestlogcabins.com >> Skype: s.craig - iChat: steve.craig >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>=20 >> Standard terms and conditions available here http://forestlogcabins.com/T= erms.html >> Any sketches or illustrations supplied are subject to possible small chan= ges on the final factory plans. > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us .
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2070 I agree that OSX is a great operating system and I use it every day. However= , I think that hosting services like email and web are infinitely better han= dled by cloud based systems. These systems leverage all available resources in a data center so equipment= failure is no longer an issue. Network connections are significantly faster= and are much more redundant. The main reason, though, is that an OS tuned for this purpose is typically b= uilt without a graphic interface or any of the large and complicated softwar= e involved with that function. These types of OSes are lean, secure and fast= er. They are also easy to emulate, meaning virtually any such OS can run on a= ny hardware. That challenge is easier when the GUI isn=E2=80=99t involved. Today, packages like WHM/cPanel provide a graphic web interface that permits= complete management of the machine. This entire, virtual environment is al= so extremely portable using tools like Docker. Once properly configured, an= entire server can be packaged into a container. That container can then be= quickly launched on any cloud hardware and can dynamically clone as needed t= o meet load. As a service, WebDNA is, in my opinion, the absolute best server side script= ing language that has ever existed. But it has not made the transition into a= package that is compatible with today=E2=80=99s cloud hosting environments.= You would realize a large savings if you were able to dynamically spawn WebD= NA cloud instances to meet any load. You would no longer need to give a seco= nd thought, single dollar or minute of worry about physical equipment. And t= he virtual servers simply never fail. Although the Mac is the best local OS for everyone and handles these respons= ibilities well, it routinely needs reboots because there=E2=80=99s more soft= ware and more updates. The services running on a Mac are the same services -= with some tweaks, that run on cloud systems. But separating those services t= o cloud environments removes overlap between services, which must stay up, a= nd the many applications and GUI running on local equipment. There is no hypervisor - that magical system data centers use to be able to l= ive-swap CPUs, RAM, and hard drives during any failure. Without that, the M= ac can never come close (nor should it) to what cloud systems can do. Mac=E2= =80=99s are excellent user focused machines that happen to be reliable runni= ng services too. Cloud systems are lean speed freaks capable of spreading ac= ross hardware in entire and even multiple data centers. My current system ma= y have CPUs in one rack, RAM in another and hard drives in a different build= ing. I would never even notice. > On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:09 AM, IBS Ltd. wrote: >=20 > Steve, >=20 > I highly recommend using Surgemail for an email server. It has a million a= nd a half features - it takes sometime to get use to it - and tweak - but we= ll worth it in the end. >=20 > We=E2=80=99ve been using it for many years - and we have thousands of clie= nts. Only a few issues along the way - the support offered by Newtin is beyo= nd excellent and very responsive. The spam fighting tools are stellar. Highl= y recommended.=20 >=20 > >=20 > Embrace the terminal my friend=E2=80=A6 it=E2=80=99s a wicked awesome tool= to have in the shed. It=E2=80=99s frustrating at first=E2=80=A6 but stick w= ith it=E2=80=A6=20 >=20 > =E2=80=94 > Gary >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 19, 2018, at 2:00 AM, talk@webdna.us wrote: >>=20 >> Hi >>=20 >> Just never been much of a terminal user so would be nervous of not knowin= g where to start when it all went to s**t. Maybe that=E2=80=99s not a concer= n. >>=20 >> My server currently just hosts 3 or 4 medium sites and some email so I wo= uld need to match that, any suggestions for suitable email servers? >>=20 >> Cheers >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> Steve Craig - Forest Products (Leisure) Ltd >> Tel +44 1330 860505 Mob +44 7778 007607 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> http://www.forestlogcabins.com >> Email: steve@forestlogcabins.com >> Skype: s.craig - iChat: steve.craig >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>=20 >> Standard terms and conditions available here http://forestlogcabins.com/T= erms.html >> Any sketches or illustrations supplied are subject to possible small chan= ges on the final factory plans. > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us .
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