Re: [OT] CSS and SSI books
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texte = Now that I'm getting into this, I'll offer my experience as well. 1. View your site in a pure text environment with no CSS or JS. It should be understandable if not clear. 2. Add in bits of CSS to get the right appearance. I really try to keep all CSS in a different file so I'll be able to make sitewide changes in one file. To start with, use just one browser to see that you're making real progress. 3. Test the site using different browsers as your visitors will most certainly use IE, Netscape, Safari, Opera and maybe whatever is on their mobile phone. Wear a cap so you don't pull all of your hair out as you deal with non-compliant CSS browser issues. If you're like me, you'll learn to really hate IE's box model. You'll also hate that people use any browser less than 6.0. It's really time to freakin' upgrade people! 4. Throw in the JS you want to provide client-side functionality. Always put in a search button on your forms. JS is sometimes disabled or unavailable. 5. Go back to step 1. If you can still use your site in text mode, you've done really well. While you're doing steps 1-5, learn about the document declaration and how to validate your pages using the CSS and HTML validators at W3. Oh and remember to read Krug's "Don't Make Me Think" about web site usability so your design will make sense to the visitor. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Clint Davis
Sent: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:59:53 -0500 To: (WebDNA Talk) Subject: Re: [OT] CSS and SSI books For anyone interested, here's a brief lesson: 1. Use XHTML for content only a. No tags b. No browser/platform-specific code c. Use tables for tabular (spreadsheet) data only 2. Use CSS to style and position text/elements on your pages The GOOD News: There are numerous benefits to this methodology. The BAD News: You need to learn a new method of building websites and it takes a little time. Start slow. The standards-compliant game is a continuum - you needn't go all out on your first site unless you're an overachiever :) I recommend diving into AListApart.com and Zeldman.com for an introduction and continuing inspiration. On 4/27/04 12:45 PM, "Terry Wilson" wrote: > http://www.csszengarden.com > > This is an eye-opener; especially pertinent for us dynamic page > makers. A few hundred designers take the same html and totally make > it their own with just the style sheet. They use - for lists > (founditems to me). I spent all day Sunday there, and it is > completely changing my way of using CSS. > > Terry > >> From: Marc Kaiwi >> Subject: CSS and SSI books >> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:22:02 -0700 >> >> i'm looking for some good reference books on CSS and SSI any >> recomendations I can find at amazon? ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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Now that I'm getting into this, I'll offer my experience as well. 1. View your site in a pure text environment with no CSS or JS. It should be understandable if not clear. 2. Add in bits of CSS to get the right appearance. I really try to keep all CSS in a different file so I'll be able to make sitewide changes in one file. To start with, use just one browser to see that you're making real progress. 3. Test the site using different browsers as your visitors will most certainly use IE, Netscape, Safari, Opera and maybe whatever is on their mobile phone. Wear a cap so you don't pull all of your hair out as you deal with non-compliant CSS browser issues. If you're like me, you'll learn to really hate IE's box model. You'll also hate that people use any browser less than 6.0. It's really time to freakin' upgrade people! 4. Throw in the JS you want to provide client-side functionality. Always put in a search button on your forms. JS is sometimes disabled or unavailable. 5. Go back to step 1. If you can still use your site in text mode, you've done really well. While you're doing steps 1-5, learn about the document declaration and how to validate your pages using the CSS and HTML validators at W3. Oh and remember to read Krug's "Don't Make Me Think" about web site usability so your design will make sense to the visitor. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Clint Davis Sent: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:59:53 -0500 To: (WebDNA Talk) Subject: Re: [OT] CSS and SSI books For anyone interested, here's a brief lesson: 1. Use XHTML for content only a. No tags b. No browser/platform-specific code c. Use tables for tabular (spreadsheet) data only 2. Use CSS to style and position text/elements on your pages The GOOD News: There are numerous benefits to this methodology. The BAD News: You need to learn a new method of building websites and it takes a little time. Start slow. The standards-compliant game is a continuum - you needn't go all out on your first site unless you're an overachiever :) I recommend diving into AListApart.com and Zeldman.com for an introduction and continuing inspiration. On 4/27/04 12:45 PM, "Terry Wilson" wrote: > http://www.csszengarden.com > > This is an eye-opener; especially pertinent for us dynamic page > makers. A few hundred designers take the same html and totally make > it their own with just the style sheet. They use