Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(

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2004


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 60320
interpreted = N
texte = >I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just >last week from a prospective client. Did you do the PHP job then, or did you lose it to your competition? If you had told them that you also do PHP and MySQL, we could have done the programming work for about 1/3 of your client price quote, which means you would have earned 2/3 of the total for doing nothing more than selling the job and delivering it to your client. My point is simply that you do not have to be "beaten" by the competition when you have your own professional outsourcing company working for you right here in Cebu City, Philippines. I set up this outsourcing business to make a living over here of course, but also to try to help and support my WebDNA colleagues who will continue to come under greater and greater pressure from cheap overseas programmers. My goal is to help insure that you remain competitive with all the OTHER programming companies using outsourcing these days ... About three years ago I created a WebDNA Training Center here in Cebu City so I would have plenty of developers thoroughly trained in WebDNA for the time when it became popular. It never has, and it never will if SMSI continues on their current path. Almost everyone wants PHP/MySQL today because both are free and both are installed on virtually every hosting server in the world. Clients want non Microsoft solutions that are cheap, and that work, and that are available everywhere. PHP and MySQL give them this. And the Microsoft lovers want ASP which we also do for them. My local local programmers do not have to be trained in PHP or MySQL (or ASP) because they already know it from college. But I have to teach them WebDNA (or my head programmer has to teach them because he's a relative expert in it by now too) before they can be useful. They like WebDNA, but since so few of our work asks for it, we use WebDNA mostly in-house. I don't think WebDNA will ever become mainstream because there is no desire or motivation on the part of SMSI to give away a useful version that's free, yet this is exactly what their competition is doing. PHP and MySQL is coming to dominate all other web-based languages and more and more of the programming is moving offshore. If you cannot beat them, join them -- that's what I say! Sincerely, Kenneth Grome www.webdna.net ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
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>I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just >last week from a prospective client. Did you do the PHP job then, or did you lose it to your competition? If you had told them that you also do PHP and MySQL, we could have done the programming work for about 1/3 of your client price quote, which means you would have earned 2/3 of the total for doing nothing more than selling the job and delivering it to your client. My point is simply that you do not have to be "beaten" by the competition when you have your own professional outsourcing company working for you right here in Cebu City, Philippines. I set up this outsourcing business to make a living over here of course, but also to try to help and support my WebDNA colleagues who will continue to come under greater and greater pressure from cheap overseas programmers. My goal is to help insure that you remain competitive with all the OTHER programming companies using outsourcing these days ... About three years ago I created a WebDNA Training Center here in Cebu City so I would have plenty of developers thoroughly trained in WebDNA for the time when it became popular. It never has, and it never will if SMSI continues on their current path. Almost everyone wants PHP/MySQL today because both are free and both are installed on virtually every hosting server in the world. Clients want non Microsoft solutions that are cheap, and that work, and that are available everywhere. PHP and MySQL give them this. And the Microsoft lovers want ASP which we also do for them. My local local programmers do not have to be trained in PHP or MySQL (or ASP) because they already know it from college. But I have to teach them WebDNA (or my head programmer has to teach them because he's a relative expert in it by now too) before they can be useful. They like WebDNA, but since so few of our work asks for it, we use WebDNA mostly in-house. I don't think WebDNA will ever become mainstream because there is no desire or motivation on the part of SMSI to give away a useful version that's free, yet this is exactly what their competition is doing. PHP and MySQL is coming to dominate all other web-based languages and more and more of the programming is moving offshore. If you cannot beat them, join them -- that's what I say! Sincerely, Kenneth Grome www.webdna.net ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Kenneth Grome

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