Re: WebDNA - fun to compare
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2005
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 61265
interpreted = N
texte = Ken is right. But WebDNA is a real pleasure to work with. It takes a couple of hours to learn and you can already build something interesting or useful with it, and with a couple of days you can build a fully interactive site. A better licensing policy from SmithMicro, a full free version with a discreet advert banner, and lower prices, would surely make it a less confidential product. As far as i am concerned, i built very complex administrative systems, including accounting, invoicing, payrolls etc.... for companies, but i would not know how to build a simple form-to-mail with php... I love WebDNA, its flexibility and its easy-to-learn syntax. chris On Mar 1, 2005, at 21:13, Kenneth Grome wrote: > Sometimes (usually) it's more than just coding time that matters to a > client. Most development is in PHP and MySQL these days for several > very good reasons: > > 1- There are literally thousands of pre-existing 'scripts' available, > many totally free, that save programmers hundreds of hours of time > (take a look at any one of ZenCart, osCommerce or X-Cart for an > eCommerce implementation that WebDNA *could* have been). > > 2- PHP and MySQL are installed on virtually every web hosting server > in the world, which gives you thousands of choices of a new hosting > service when your current one craps out on you. > > 3- PHP and MySQL are free. > > 4- There are literally tens of thousands of programmers who can build > or fix PHP and MySQL sites, so the client doesn't get tied into a rare > proprietary solution such as WebDNA. > > Having said this, I still try to steer my clients to WebDNA whenever > possible, mostly because it's fast and fun for us to use, and it saves > the client time and money during development (but costs more for > hosting). > > Unfortunately saving development time and money is the only benefit > they get from it, and usually this is not enough to convince them. > They have to consider potential hosting problems, potential > abandonment of their hard to find and expensive webdna programmer, > etc. and sometimes these are more important than saving a few bucks in > development. > > The bottom line is that clients don't care how easy it is for YOU to > program, they only care about the issues that matter to them, and this > makes webdna undesirable in the majority of cases when compared with > the alternatives. > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.kengrome.com > > > > > > >> Do you ever monitor other developer's lists just to see what's going >> on in *their* world? >> >> There's an HTML discussion list that I'm subscribed to and they're >> discussion form validation and the passing of form variables in PHP. >> They've worked up to glob's of code that looks like a pile of >> spaghetti to me. It's something so simple that it would be < 5 lines >> of WebDNA + 1 line for each form element. >> >> Just wish the word would spread..... >> >> :) >> >> GJK >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list
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Ken is right. But WebDNA is a real pleasure to work with. It takes a couple of hours to learn and you can already build something interesting or useful with it, and with a couple of days you can build a fully interactive site. A better licensing policy from SmithMicro, a full free version with a discreet advert banner, and lower prices, would surely make it a less confidential product. As far as i am concerned, i built very complex administrative systems, including accounting, invoicing, payrolls etc.... for companies, but i would not know how to build a simple form-to-mail with php... I love WebDNA, its flexibility and its easy-to-learn syntax. chris On Mar 1, 2005, at 21:13, Kenneth Grome wrote: > Sometimes (usually) it's more than just coding time that matters to a > client. Most development is in PHP and MySQL these days for several > very good reasons: > > 1- There are literally thousands of pre-existing 'scripts' available, > many totally free, that save programmers hundreds of hours of time > (take a look at any one of ZenCart, osCommerce or X-Cart for an > eCommerce implementation that WebDNA *could* have been). > > 2- PHP and MySQL are installed on virtually every web hosting server > in the world, which gives you thousands of choices of a new hosting > service when your current one craps out on you. > > 3- PHP and MySQL are free. > > 4- There are literally tens of thousands of programmers who can build > or fix PHP and MySQL sites, so the client doesn't get tied into a rare > proprietary solution such as WebDNA. > > Having said this, I still try to steer my clients to WebDNA whenever > possible, mostly because it's fast and fun for us to use, and it saves > the client time and money during development (but costs more for > hosting). > > Unfortunately saving development time and money is the only benefit > they get from it, and usually this is not enough to convince them. > They have to consider potential hosting problems, potential > abandonment of their hard to find and expensive webdna programmer, > etc. and sometimes these are more important than saving a few bucks in > development. > > The bottom line is that clients don't care how easy it is for YOU to > program, they only care about the issues that matter to them, and this > makes webdna undesirable in the majority of cases when compared with > the alternatives. > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.kengrome.com > > > > > > >> Do you ever monitor other developer's lists just to see what's going >> on in *their* world? >> >> There's an HTML discussion list that I'm subscribed to and they're >> discussion form validation and the passing of form variables in PHP. >> They've worked up to glob's of code that looks like a pile of >> spaghetti to me. It's something so simple that it would be < 5 lines >> of WebDNA + 1 line for each form element. >> >> Just wish the word would spread..... >> >> :) >> >> GJK >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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