Re: WebDNA - fun to compare
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texte = It doesn't matter how good or reliable you are as a webdna programmer, because clients (especially the bigger ones) are smart enough to know that if you decide to quit the business, or if you should die in a car crash -- they are screwed -- until they find someone else who is not only capable but also willing to do their webdna work for them. Even if the costs were the same as webdna, it's still a wiser business decision to go with PHP because of the thousands of hosting services and available programmers -- which webdna will never be able to offer or compete against. And yes I know that webdna is 'fun' to use when compared with all the other languages out there, but clients don't care how much fun it is for the programmers. They want solutions that they can host everywhere and have fixed by anyone. Sincerely, Kenneth Grome www.kengrome.com >Christophe Billiottet wrote: > >Ken is right. > >Well... this: >"Unfortunately saving development time and money is the only benefit >they get from it, >and usually this is not enough to convince them. They have to >consider potential >hosting problems, potential abandonment of their hard to find and >expensive webdna >programmer, etc. and sometimes these are more important than saving >a few bucks in >development." > >I've experienced no hosting problems. I haven't abandoned any of my >customers and the >other quality businesses I know haven't abandoned theirs. Are you talking from >experience Ken? ;-) jk. I also do not think most webdna'ers are >expensive, relative >to the market... Just because you made a move to another country and have a >system to market dirt cheap programming, doesn't mean that we are expensive >when compared to the market standard. I would also venture a guess to say that >95% of those numerous PHP programmers are wannabees. I can take a PHP template >and shape it into a custom application, but I don't call myself a >PHP programmer, >where many would. With webdna, Much of the time, I write code for a >customer to >a specification basically from the ground up. Along with maybe less cost of >develpment for this custom code, my customers are assured that if they have a >change in mind (which happens), that I can make it happen quickly. >Yep, it comes >down to customer concerns, and I (as many others do) feel we can >answer to those >concerns best with webdna. > >Ultimately, I may wish it had a higher market share, was cheaper etc.. but >in the end, there is more to the benefits of using WebDNA than meets the eye >(so to speak). > >Donovan > > > >It takes a >>couple of hours to learn and you can already build something >>interesting or useful with it, and with a couple of days you can >>build a fully interactive site. A better licensing policy from >>SmithMicro, a full free version with a discreet advert banner, and >>lower prices, would surely make it a less confidential product. >> >>As far as i am concerned, i built very complex administrative >>systems, including accounting, invoicing, payrolls etc.... for >>companies, but i would not know how to build a simple form-to-mail >>with php... >> >>I love WebDNA, its flexibility and its easy-to-learn syntax. >> >>chris > > > >-- > =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o > DONOVAN D. BROOKE Eucalyptus Design > <-Web Development (specializing in eCommerce), -> > <- Graphic Design, Custom Tags and Labels -> > > ADDRESS:> Donovan Brooke > DBA Eucalyptus Design > N2862 Summerville Park Rd. > Lodi, WI 53555 > PH:> 1.608.592.3567 > Web:> http://www.euca.us > =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
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It doesn't matter how good or reliable you are as a webdna programmer, because clients (especially the bigger ones) are smart enough to know that if you decide to quit the business, or if you should die in a car crash -- they are screwed -- until they find someone else who is not only capable but also willing to do their webdna work for them. Even if the costs were the same as webdna, it's still a wiser business decision to go with PHP because of the thousands of hosting services and available programmers -- which webdna will never be able to offer or compete against. And yes I know that webdna is 'fun' to use when compared with all the other languages out there, but clients don't care how much fun it is for the programmers. They want solutions that they can host everywhere and have fixed by anyone. Sincerely, Kenneth Grome www.kengrome.com >Christophe Billiottet wrote: > >Ken is right. > >Well... this: >"Unfortunately saving development time and money is the only benefit >they get from it, >and usually this is not enough to convince them. They have to >consider potential >hosting problems, potential abandonment of their hard to find and >expensive webdna >programmer, etc. and sometimes these are more important than saving >a few bucks in >development." > >I've experienced no hosting problems. I haven't abandoned any of my >customers and the >other quality businesses I know haven't abandoned theirs. Are you talking from >experience Ken? ;-) jk. I also do not think most webdna'ers are >expensive, relative >to the market... Just because you made a move to another country and have a >system to market dirt cheap programming, doesn't mean that we are expensive >when compared to the market standard. I would also venture a guess to say that >95% of those numerous PHP programmers are wannabees. I can take a PHP template >and shape it into a custom application, but I don't call myself a >PHP programmer, >where many would. With webdna, Much of the time, I write code for a >customer to >a specification basically from the ground up. Along with maybe less cost of >develpment for this custom code, my customers are assured that if they have a >change in mind (which happens), that I can make it happen quickly. >Yep, it comes >down to customer concerns, and I (as many others do) feel we can >answer to those >concerns best with webdna. > >Ultimately, I may wish it had a higher market share, was cheaper etc.. but >in the end, there is more to the benefits of using WebDNA than meets the eye >(so to speak). > >Donovan > > > >It takes a >>couple of hours to learn and you can already build something >>interesting or useful with it, and with a couple of days you can >>build a fully interactive site. A better licensing policy from >>SmithMicro, a full free version with a discreet advert banner, and >>lower prices, would surely make it a less confidential product. >> >>As far as i am concerned, i built very complex administrative >>systems, including accounting, invoicing, payrolls etc.... for >>companies, but i would not know how to build a simple form-to-mail >>with php... >> >>I love WebDNA, its flexibility and its easy-to-learn syntax. >> >>chris > > > >-- > =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o > DONOVAN D. BROOKE Eucalyptus Design > <-Web Development (specializing in eCommerce), -> > <- Graphic Design, Custom Tags and Labels -> > > ADDRESS:> Donovan Brooke > DBA Eucalyptus Design > N2862 Summerville Park Rd. > Lodi, WI 53555 > PH:> 1.608.592.3567 > Web:> http://www.euca.us > =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ -- ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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