RE: [WebDNA] WebDNA Crashing or Not **YES**
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texte = Something of interest the last couple of weeks is that I have a process that has consistently taken ~8000 (according to [ELAPSEDTIME]) in the last 6-7 years, is now only taking ~6000 to process. To combat the crashing issue, I just have the box restart every night. I am too chicken to suspend the restart process to see if the crashing has stopped now ;-) Windows 2003 IIS6 WebDNA 4.5.1 Pretty weird stuff.....:-) Robie -----Original Message----- From: Alex McCombie [mailto:Alex@AdventureSkies.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:57 AM To: talk@webdna.us Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA Crashing or Not **YES** Unexpected and yet unexplained stretch of no crashing here. Hasn't had to reboot in 9 days. OSX 10.4.11 Webstar 5.4.1 WebDNa WebSTAR V Plug-in version 6.0 Problem with us was that I had written this off to Webstar a lot because it periodically loses connection with its own admin monitor and soft restarts its app. Difficult to determine where the actual problem was. But out of the blue an 8 day stretch and counting. I hate chasing ghosts. Alex On 7/15/08 5:03 PM, "Jym Duane"
wrote: > AGAIN - three cheers!! for your part in rebirthing WebDNA! > > Hang in there ( I can personally relate to so many hats and task > overload - been there a lot!) > > I feel this language is the best and will pledge my help where possible > I am trying to find time in very near future to help out, > and I am sure others are too. > > And yes - anyone that is running systems beyond supported levels....try > to run at supported levels - or try a test on on older platform to confirm. > > our system runs fine until some bad bot hits bad code. > neither are webDNA issues. > have not had a regular crashing issue, > but if i did i would try to move a few sites to a simpler setup (maybe > one at a time) and isolate the issue that way. > > jym > > > Donovan Brooke wrote: >> Chris Wilkinson wrote: >>> Yes, the errors are intermittent. Yes the code, and case is correct. >>> >>> Seriously, the system can't even find it's own admin files!!! I tried >>> to log >>> in to the admin and got: >>> >>> " Error: template >>> 'CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine/Admin/Welcome.tpl' not >>> found" >>> >>> >>> Details: >>> OS.....................: Mac OSX 10.3.9 >>> hardware...............: G4 Xserve >>> hardware is X years old: 4 years >>> apache version.........: Apache 2.0.55 (iTools 8.0.5) >>> WebDNA version.........: 6.0a (whatever the last patch was...) >>> approx. size of WebDNA bases in RAM: 2 megs ? >>> RAM size...............: 2 GB >>> >>> crashes randomly.......: ? >>> crashes every X hours..: 72 hrs? >>> Is there a backup system? Yes >>> Any other application running on the same box? No >>> UPS....................: Yes >>> --------------------------------- >>> >>> The logs are chock-full of >>> "www WebDNA[23572]: Could not establish connection with the module." >>> >>> I truly hope that these server instability issues are at the top of your >>> priority list, and that you have gathered the resources to deal with, >>> what I >>> see as an impending fatal flaw of WebDNA. Until you get this handled, >>> any >>> efforts on new features or marketing will be as effective as >>> rearranging the >>> deck chairs on the Titanic. >>> >>> "...can't hold on much longer." >>> >>> Truly concerned, >>> -Chris >> >> >> Chris, >> You are running configurations that are not supported with the >> current WebDNA installers. >> >> Apache 2.0.55 and iTools 8.x are not supported. >> >> Again, I understand the frustration involved with server problems.. and, >> it goes without saying, that our intention is to release a new patch that >> is fully tested with the newer configurations (Apache 2.x and the latest >> iTools). >> >> But let me be clear. It is a *futile* effort for me, or anyone else to >> troubleshoot a server that is running unsupported configurations. >> *Everyone* >> that has reported problems on this new list, and that has given >> server details, so far has been running something unsupported. Hell, >> I don't blame you guys. I want to run new configurations/tools as well. >> However, the trade-off is that you then have no base for pointing >> the finger of blame. >> >> I installed another 6.0a a few weeks ago on another older iMac G4 running >> all supported configurations, and it is running perfectly. I suggest >> everyone that is having problems, for the time being, do that as well. >> It may not get rid of all your problems, but it is the base you must >> build on right now, and people on the list will feel better about >> helping out. >> >> I also want to expose that I am not getting paid with my new title of >> VP... not yet at least! I take time away from my paying clients (which >> they certainly don't like, and my family certainly doesn't like) to >> try and help because I want to see this language survive and the >> WebDNA community grow. I am a WebDNA believer so to speak... I've >> drank the cool-ade and like it. ;-) >> >> So, I say, we all know where WebDNA is at in its current state and >> where it *was* heading before WSC acquired it. Lets stay positive. >> Run supported configurations if you can and give the product a >> little time to catch up to modern day. >> >> Also, a reminder that you guys can help as well! Send me an email >> noting your interest! >> >> >> Donovan >> >> >> >>
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Something of interest the last couple of weeks is that I have a process that has consistently taken ~8000 (according to [elapsedtime]) in the last 6-7 years, is now only taking ~6000 to process. To combat the crashing issue, I just have the box restart every night. I am too chicken to suspend the restart process to see if the crashing has stopped now ;-) Windows 2003 IIS6 WebDNA 4.5.1 Pretty weird stuff.....:-) Robie -----Original Message----- From: Alex McCombie [mailto:Alex@AdventureSkies.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:57 AM To: talk@webdna.us Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA Crashing or Not **YES** Unexpected and yet unexplained stretch of no crashing here. Hasn't had to reboot in 9 days. OSX 10.4.11 Webstar 5.4.1 WebDNa WebSTAR V Plug-in version 6.0 Problem with us was that I had written this off to Webstar a lot because it periodically loses connection with its own admin monitor and soft restarts its app. Difficult to determine where the actual problem was. But out of the blue an 8 day stretch and counting. I hate chasing ghosts. Alex On 7/15/08 5:03 PM, "Jym Duane" wrote: > AGAIN - three cheers!! for your part in rebirthing WebDNA! > > Hang in there ( I can personally relate to so many hats and task > overload - been there a lot!) > > I feel this language is the best and will pledge my help where possible > I am trying to find time in very near future to help out, > and I am sure others are too. > > And yes - anyone that is running systems beyond supported levels....try > to run at supported levels - or try a test on on older platform to confirm. > > our system runs fine until some bad bot hits bad code. > neither are webDNA issues. > have not had a regular crashing issue, > but if i did i would try to move a few sites to a simpler setup (maybe > one at a time) and isolate the issue that way. > > jym > > > Donovan Brooke wrote: >> Chris Wilkinson wrote: >>> Yes, the errors are intermittent. Yes the code, and case is correct. >>> >>> Seriously, the system can't even find it's own admin files!!! I tried >>> to log >>> in to the admin and got: >>> >>> " Error: template >>> 'CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine/Admin/Welcome.tpl' not >>> found" >>> >>> >>> Details: >>> OS.....................: Mac OSX 10.3.9 >>> hardware...............: G4 Xserve >>> hardware is X years old: 4 years >>> apache version.........: Apache 2.0.55 (iTools 8.0.5) >>> WebDNA version.........: 6.0a (whatever the last patch was...) >>> approx. size of WebDNA bases in RAM: 2 megs ? >>> RAM size...............: 2 GB >>> >>> crashes randomly.......: ? >>> crashes every X hours..: 72 hrs? >>> Is there a backup system? Yes >>> Any other application running on the same box? No >>> UPS....................: Yes >>> --------------------------------- >>> >>> The logs are chock-full of >>> "www WebDNA[23572]: Could not establish connection with the module." >>> >>> I truly hope that these server instability issues are at the top of your >>> priority list, and that you have gathered the resources to deal with, >>> what I >>> see as an impending fatal flaw of WebDNA. Until you get this handled, >>> any >>> efforts on new features or marketing will be as effective as >>> rearranging the >>> deck chairs on the Titanic. >>> >>> "...can't hold on much longer." >>> >>> Truly concerned, >>> -Chris >> >> >> Chris, >> You are running configurations that are not supported with the >> current WebDNA installers. >> >> Apache 2.0.55 and iTools 8.x are not supported. >> >> Again, I understand the frustration involved with server problems.. and, >> it goes without saying, that our intention is to release a new patch that >> is fully tested with the newer configurations (Apache 2.x and the latest >> iTools). >> >> But let me be clear. It is a *futile* effort for me, or anyone else to >> troubleshoot a server that is running unsupported configurations. >> *Everyone* >> that has reported problems on this new list, and that has given >> server details, so far has been running something unsupported. Hell, >> I don't blame you guys. I want to run new configurations/tools as well. >> However, the trade-off is that you then have no base for pointing >> the finger of blame. >> >> I installed another 6.0a a few weeks ago on another older iMac G4 running >> all supported configurations, and it is running perfectly. I suggest >> everyone that is having problems, for the time being, do that as well. >> It may not get rid of all your problems, but it is the base you must >> build on right now, and people on the list will feel better about >> helping out. >> >> I also want to expose that I am not getting paid with my new title of >> VP... not yet at least! I take time away from my paying clients (which >> they certainly don't like, and my family certainly doesn't like) to >> try and help because I want to see this language survive and the >> WebDNA community grow. I am a WebDNA believer so to speak... I've >> drank the cool-ade and like it. ;-) >> >> So, I say, we all know where WebDNA is at in its current state and >> where it *was* heading before WSC acquired it. Lets stay positive. >> Run supported configurations if you can and give the product a >> little time to catch up to modern day. >> >> Also, a reminder that you guys can help as well! Send me an email >> noting your interest! >> >> >> Donovan >> >> >> >>
"Robie Blair"
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