Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy?

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texte = Yes, that argument is definitely not debunked. PHP is free, there are tons of programmers doing it, tons of books on how to do it, LOTS and LOTS of solutions and the community is as robust as any. You can get free frameworks that make development organized and easy. This will be a major hurdle for webdna. As I said earlier the ease of use, or use by designers etc is a better angle. C++, Javascript Java programmers will find working with php a snap. In fact when I show them webdna, they attack its language structure right out of the gate, they talk about how it is too linear and not very object oriented. That said I still use it because of its ease of use, I know it and I already own several copies. We started going to PHP when it looked like WebDNA was going to die. Now some of those projects conversions are being staved off while we wait to see how the project goes. In my mind 2 things need to happen right off. Updates for stability and for use on the latest hardware and systems. ie Leopard and Windows 7,20008 centos or whetever else they want to call it. Also running on 64bit is comes next. After that better myysql and new features can be delt with. This seems extremely clear. Good Luck to the developers On Oct 13, 2008, at 12:39 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >> The fact is that we've pretty much nullified >> the "PHP is free" argument. > > In my opinion you haven't nullified anything. > > In fact, it seems to me that you're choosing to ignore the > *perception* that exists in the real world -- or you're > dismissing it without considering its ramifications -- and > I cannot understand why you're doing this, so let me ask: > > How are you going to get a reasonable number of people to > try WebDNA when it does not run on hardly any of today's > up-to-date server platforms, hardly anyone has ever heard > of it, trained programmers are few and far between, there > is a pathetic absence of pre-coded solutions available for > it, and it is clearly not free of licensing fees? > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ Robert Minor Director of Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------------ Cybermill Communications http://www.cybermill.com http://www.merchantmaker.com Providing Ecommerce and interactive website development and hosting services on Macintosh, Windows NT, *nix, and AS/400. Complete ddos proof hosting solutions and network services. Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
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Yes, that argument is definitely not debunked. PHP is free, there are tons of programmers doing it, tons of books on how to do it, LOTS and LOTS of solutions and the community is as robust as any. You can get free frameworks that make development organized and easy. This will be a major hurdle for webdna. As I said earlier the ease of use, or use by designers etc is a better angle. C++, Javascript Java programmers will find working with php a snap. In fact when I show them webdna, they attack its language structure right out of the gate, they talk about how it is too linear and not very object oriented. That said I still use it because of its ease of use, I know it and I already own several copies. We started going to PHP when it looked like WebDNA was going to die. Now some of those projects conversions are being staved off while we wait to see how the project goes. In my mind 2 things need to happen right off. Updates for stability and for use on the latest hardware and systems. ie Leopard and Windows 7,20008 centos or whetever else they want to call it. Also running on 64bit is comes next. After that better myysql and new features can be delt with. This seems extremely clear. Good Luck to the developers On Oct 13, 2008, at 12:39 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >> The fact is that we've pretty much nullified >> the "PHP is free" argument. > > In my opinion you haven't nullified anything. > > In fact, it seems to me that you're choosing to ignore the > *perception* that exists in the real world -- or you're > dismissing it without considering its ramifications -- and > I cannot understand why you're doing this, so let me ask: > > How are you going to get a reasonable number of people to > try WebDNA when it does not run on hardly any of today's > up-to-date server platforms, hardly anyone has ever heard > of it, trained programmers are few and far between, there > is a pathetic absence of pre-coded solutions available for > it, and it is clearly not free of licensing fees? > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ Robert Minor Director of Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------------ Cybermill Communications http://www.cybermill.com http://www.merchantmaker.com Providing Ecommerce and interactive website development and hosting services on Macintosh, Windows NT, *nix, and AS/400. Complete ddos proof hosting solutions and network services. Bob Minor

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