Re: [WebDNA] v7 problem?
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texte = Yes I do ... graceful > Just a question.... do you restart apache after removing or adding a = new webdna.fcgi? just an idea there, but if apache starts a WebDNA = instance of a copy of WebDNA that you erase and replace by a new copy, = it might try to start it and find the same instance already opened, = which could create the problem you see. >=20 > - chris >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jan 9, 2012, at 13:57, Thierry Almy wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>> 70,000 hits a day is by no mean a "high load". >>>=20 >>> Several questions to help us debug this: >>>=20 >>> - you write "So I have 3 v7 hosts running on one server and another = 2 on the second server. As soon as I add another one the server crashes" = which could imply a limit in the number of running FastCGI processes. = However, you also wrote ""We've got 4 vhosts running v7 since a few = weeks without problems". >>=20 >> It's definitely 3 vhosts on server 1 (MacPro dual six-core) and 2 = vhosts on server 2 (MacPro dual quad-core) and they are running fine = like this. >>=20 >>> - Is it always the same website that makes your webserver crash? >>=20 >> The "error" appears as soon as I add another vhost with DNA7 on any = of the two servers. >> The vhost I add contains ONLY a WebDNA Folder and is NOT hit by = clients. >>=20 >>=20 >>> - when you write "the server crashes", do you mean the website = (WebDNA), apache (all websites) or the entire server? >>=20 >> I get two kinds of errors in the apache error log as soon as I do = apachectl graceful: >>=20 >> - sem_open failed: returned EEXIST: File exists >> this on is repeated about 20 times and the server still works >>=20 >> - retry on sem_wait: Bad file descriptor >> This error gets repeated endless and unbelievable fast, so that the = logfile grows 1 GB per Minute till the disk is full! (it ended up with a = size of 480GB) >>=20 >> The server did not really crash. >>=20 >>> - Do you know if there is a specific apache/iTools directive that = could limit the child processes and automatically restart them when it = reaches its limit? it could be that the iTool apache config is trying to = spawn a high number of childs and that there is a limit somewhere else, = at the mod_FastCGI config level >>>=20 >>> to simplify debugging, you could try >>> StartServers 1 >>> MinSpareServers 1 >>> MaxSpareServers 1 >>=20 >> Currently we have the following values: >> Start Servers: 5 >> Max Clients: 150 >> MaxSpare Servers: 10 >> MinSpare Servers: 5 >> Max Requests per Child: 0 (unlimited) >>=20 >> Basically iTools just manages apache config files, but I didn't find = anything mod_FastCGI specific. >> Before changing this values I'll contact Tenon and ask them ... >>=20 >> Thanks >> Thierry >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> - chris >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:33, Thierry Almy wrote: >>>=20 >>>> All of our sites are not "extremely" busy ... a few ones have more = hits than other that's true. >>>>=20 >>>> For server 1 we had about 70'000 hits per day (hits, not visits!) = during the last two weeks, but all served with v6.2 >>>> The ones using v7 are not heavily hit. >>>>=20 >>>> Server 2 has maybe half of hits on v6.2 and only two v7 sites with = almost no hits. >>>> The "www.maendli-freizeit.ch" vhost is in development state and has = no hits at all, as I mentioned it makes them crash also if it contains = only the WebDNA folder and nothing else. >>>> It doesn't really matter if the v7 sites are heavily hit or not, = it's the fact that having more than a handfull of fcgi processes running = at once. >>>>=20 >>>> Thierry >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Am 09.01.2012 um 13:20 schrieb christophe.billiottet@webdna.us: >>>>=20 >>>>> Yes, we will check this error and i will be back with = informations. Could it be that you are running extremely busy websites = on a single server, the kind of website that usually run on dedicated = servers, and that one is heavier than the others? i understand the error = follows one of your websites, www.maendli-freizeit.ch, and that the = problem appears when you add this specific website to your servers. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I also understood the problem appeared Saturday: "We've got 4 = vhosts running v7 since a few weeks without problems - till yesterday." >>>>>=20 >>>>> - chris >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:07, Thierry Almy wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks Chris >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On our 2x QuadCore we can handle 2 fcgi processes, on the 2x = 6-Core 4 fcgi processes.=20 >>>>>> The next process will bring up the errors on each system. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> To be honest, it can't be a solution to set up a VPS for each web = host. We're running more than 100 vhosts, it's just impossible to do it = this way ... >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The sem_open error points to a programming problem where the = application doesn't properly close channels after usage ...as far as I = understand it ... but I'm definitely not an application programmer ....=20= >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thierry >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Am 09.01.2012 um 12:19 schrieb christophe.billiottet@webdna.us: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I will check this asap with our developer. Meanwhile, not all = hosting solutions are being equals, though the FastCGI should be able to = handle almost any UNIX/LINUX configuration. I personnally prefer the one = chosen by Ken: a single website on a VPS with a light but feature-rich = linux OS like DEBIAN associated with LIGHTTPD webserver -which is faster = and lighter than apache- and has a well-designed FastCGI implementation. = This solution can be very cheap, will run with 128MB of RAM and scales = up easily with fast processors and lots of RAM. >>>>>>> The VPS is the natural extension of WebDNA 7: it gives as much = control as a dedicated server for a fraction of the cost, and makes each = website an independant entity with greater efficiency and high level of = security. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> - chris >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 8:39, Thierry Almy wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Hi chris >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> sorry for the comment ... I take it back ... >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I just want to have an environment which allows me to do my job = (programming). >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Maybe we should leave OS X at all and move to Linux? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> The last error we had a few weeks ago was because of heavy load = and bad RAM. >>>>>>>> After changing the RAM the malloc error was gone. >>>>>>>> The sem_open error must have to do something with WebDNA ... = v6.2 and v7 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Is there anybody else which has seen the sem_open error? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thierry >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list
. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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Yes I do ... graceful > Just a question.... do you restart apache after removing or adding a = new webdna.fcgi? just an idea there, but if apache starts a WebDNA = instance of a copy of WebDNA that you erase and replace by a new copy, = it might try to start it and find the same instance already opened, = which could create the problem you see. >=20 > - chris >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jan 9, 2012, at 13:57, Thierry Almy wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>> 70,000 hits a day is by no mean a "high load". >>>=20 >>> Several questions to help us debug this: >>>=20 >>> - you write "So I have 3 v7 hosts running on one server and another = 2 on the second server. As soon as I add another one the server crashes" = which could imply a limit in the number of running FastCGI processes. = However, you also wrote ""We've got 4 vhosts running v7 since a few = weeks without problems". >>=20 >> It's definitely 3 vhosts on server 1 (MacPro dual six-core) and 2 = vhosts on server 2 (MacPro dual quad-core) and they are running fine = like this. >>=20 >>> - Is it always the same website that makes your webserver crash? >>=20 >> The "error" appears as soon as I add another vhost with DNA7 on any = of the two servers. >> The vhost I add contains ONLY a WebDNA Folder and is NOT hit by = clients. >>=20 >>=20 >>> - when you write "the server crashes", do you mean the website = (WebDNA), apache (all websites) or the entire server? >>=20 >> I get two kinds of errors in the apache error log as soon as I do = apachectl graceful: >>=20 >> - sem_open failed: returned EEXIST: File exists >> this on is repeated about 20 times and the server still works >>=20 >> - retry on sem_wait: Bad file descriptor >> This error gets repeated endless and unbelievable fast, so that the = logfile grows 1 GB per Minute till the disk is full! (it ended up with a = size of 480GB) >>=20 >> The server did not really crash. >>=20 >>> - Do you know if there is a specific apache/iTools directive that = could limit the child processes and automatically restart them when it = reaches its limit? it could be that the iTool apache config is trying to = spawn a high number of childs and that there is a limit somewhere else, = at the mod_FastCGI config level >>>=20 >>> to simplify debugging, you could try >>> StartServers 1 >>> MinSpareServers 1 >>> MaxSpareServers 1 >>=20 >> Currently we have the following values: >> Start Servers: 5 >> Max Clients: 150 >> MaxSpare Servers: 10 >> MinSpare Servers: 5 >> Max Requests per Child: 0 (unlimited) >>=20 >> Basically iTools just manages apache config files, but I didn't find = anything mod_FastCGI specific. >> Before changing this values I'll contact Tenon and ask them ... >>=20 >> Thanks >> Thierry >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> - chris >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:33, Thierry Almy wrote: >>>=20 >>>> All of our sites are not "extremely" busy ... a few ones have more = hits than other that's true. >>>>=20 >>>> For server 1 we had about 70'000 hits per day (hits, not visits!) = during the last two weeks, but all served with v6.2 >>>> The ones using v7 are not heavily hit. >>>>=20 >>>> Server 2 has maybe half of hits on v6.2 and only two v7 sites with = almost no hits. >>>> The "www.maendli-freizeit.ch" vhost is in development state and has = no hits at all, as I mentioned it makes them crash also if it contains = only the WebDNA folder and nothing else. >>>> It doesn't really matter if the v7 sites are heavily hit or not, = it's the fact that having more than a handfull of fcgi processes running = at once. >>>>=20 >>>> Thierry >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Am 09.01.2012 um 13:20 schrieb christophe.billiottet@webdna.us: >>>>=20 >>>>> Yes, we will check this error and i will be back with = informations. Could it be that you are running extremely busy websites = on a single server, the kind of website that usually run on dedicated = servers, and that one is heavier than the others? i understand the error = follows one of your websites, www.maendli-freizeit.ch, and that the = problem appears when you add this specific website to your servers. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I also understood the problem appeared Saturday: "We've got 4 = vhosts running v7 since a few weeks without problems - till yesterday." >>>>>=20 >>>>> - chris >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:07, Thierry Almy wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks Chris >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On our 2x QuadCore we can handle 2 fcgi processes, on the 2x = 6-Core 4 fcgi processes.=20 >>>>>> The next process will bring up the errors on each system. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> To be honest, it can't be a solution to set up a VPS for each web = host. We're running more than 100 vhosts, it's just impossible to do it = this way ... >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The sem_open error points to a programming problem where the = application doesn't properly close channels after usage ...as far as I = understand it ... but I'm definitely not an application programmer ....=20= >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thierry >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Am 09.01.2012 um 12:19 schrieb christophe.billiottet@webdna.us: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I will check this asap with our developer. Meanwhile, not all = hosting solutions are being equals, though the FastCGI should be able to = handle almost any UNIX/LINUX configuration. I personnally prefer the one = chosen by Ken: a single website on a VPS with a light but feature-rich = linux OS like DEBIAN associated with LIGHTTPD webserver -which is faster = and lighter than apache- and has a well-designed FastCGI implementation. = This solution can be very cheap, will run with 128MB of RAM and scales = up easily with fast processors and lots of RAM. >>>>>>> The VPS is the natural extension of WebDNA 7: it gives as much = control as a dedicated server for a fraction of the cost, and makes each = website an independant entity with greater efficiency and high level of = security. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> - chris >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 8:39, Thierry Almy wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Hi chris >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> sorry for the comment ... I take it back ... >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I just want to have an environment which allows me to do my job = (programming). >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Maybe we should leave OS X at all and move to Linux? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> The last error we had a few weeks ago was because of heavy load = and bad RAM. >>>>>>>> After changing the RAM the malloc error was gone. >>>>>>>> The sem_open error must have to do something with WebDNA ... = v6.2 and v7 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Is there anybody else which has seen the sem_open error? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thierry >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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