Re: WebDNA 5 gets a mention ..

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2003


It keeps the original formatting.
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texte = Things always get a little 'jumbled' in translation from spoken word to written word in different sets of synapses. I'll try to clarify this. WebDNA 5.0 is adding native support for XML/XSLT, and on top of this capability adding support for the WSDL and UDDI protocols necessary to support Web Services. Fundamentally, there are two aspects of interacting with a Web Service that determine what a web developer is trying to accomplish and what type of tools are necessary. In the first case, you may be developing a web site with WebDNA where you want to access, or 'consume', an external web service within your website (e.g., implement real-time stock quotes). In this case, we are providing a web-based 'wizard' tool that steps you through a process of searching for a web service, interrogating a selected web service, and finally generating the WebDNA code that implements the call, response, and error recovery, to a web service. This resulting WebDNA code can then be inserted into your site where appropriate ... without requiring any knowledge of the underlying mechanisms and protocols used to communicate with a web service. This tool is what we have been calling the Web Services Wizard and will be available in the 5.0 release.In the second case, you may be developing business functionality or logic using WebDNA that you want to make available externally as a public web service, which is 'publishing' a web service (or 'create' in the terms of the news article author). In order to do this, you have to identify the aspects of your code that are going to be externally visible, generate a valid WSDL document (in XML) describing these interfaces, publish the WSDL document to selected UDDI registries, and have a running SOAP 'listener' process on your server to marshal incoming calls/responses to/from the your published web service as outside websites make use of it. While this is technically feasible in 5.0 with the underlying XML and WSDL contexts now available in the engine, it can be brutally hard to do from scratch, requiring extensive knowledge of XML, SOAP, UDDI, WSDL, etc. Our goal is to provide a similar 'wizard' tool to greatly simplify this whole 'publishing' process in a 5.1 release, allowing you to focus your effort on the richness of functionality you want to expose and not on building all the underlying 'plumbing' necessary to expose it as a web service. Phil Bonesteele Director e-business Products & Services SmithMicro Software, Inc.-----Original Message----- From: Gregg Luhring [mailto:gregg@3wdesign.com] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:37 PM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: WebDNA 5 gets a mention ..But what does it mean? The enterprise version will consume Web services in the first version and create Web services in the second version. -- Gregg L> From: Alain Russell > Reply-To: (WebDNA Talk) > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:04:56 -0600 > To: (WebDNA Talk) > Subject: WebDNA 5 gets a mention .. > > here: > http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0301/27.server.php > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
  1. Re: WebDNA 5 gets a mention .. (Phillip Bonesteele 2003)
  2. Re: WebDNA 5 gets a mention .. (Gregg Luhring 2003)
  3. WebDNA 5 gets a mention .. (Alain Russell 2003)
Things always get a little 'jumbled' in translation from spoken word to written word in different sets of synapses. I'll try to clarify this. WebDNA 5.0 is adding native support for XML/XSLT, and on top of this capability adding support for the WSDL and UDDI protocols necessary to support Web Services. Fundamentally, there are two aspects of interacting with a Web Service that determine what a web developer is trying to accomplish and what type of tools are necessary. In the first case, you may be developing a web site with WebDNA where you want to access, or 'consume', an external web service within your website (e.g., implement real-time stock quotes). In this case, we are providing a web-based 'wizard' tool that steps you through a process of searching for a web service, interrogating a selected web service, and finally generating the WebDNA code that implements the call, response, and error recovery, to a web service. This resulting WebDNA code can then be inserted into your site where appropriate ... without requiring any knowledge of the underlying mechanisms and protocols used to communicate with a web service. This tool is what we have been calling the Web Services Wizard and will be available in the 5.0 release.In the second case, you may be developing business functionality or logic using WebDNA that you want to make available externally as a public web service, which is 'publishing' a web service (or 'create' in the terms of the news article author). In order to do this, you have to identify the aspects of your code that are going to be externally visible, generate a valid WSDL document (in XML) describing these interfaces, publish the WSDL document to selected UDDI registries, and have a running SOAP 'listener' process on your server to marshal incoming calls/responses to/from the your published web service as outside websites make use of it. While this is technically feasible in 5.0 with the underlying XML and WSDL contexts now available in the engine, it can be brutally hard to do from scratch, requiring extensive knowledge of XML, SOAP, UDDI, WSDL, etc. Our goal is to provide a similar 'wizard' tool to greatly simplify this whole 'publishing' process in a 5.1 release, allowing you to focus your effort on the richness of functionality you want to expose and not on building all the underlying 'plumbing' necessary to expose it as a web service. Phil Bonesteele Director e-business Products & Services SmithMicro Software, Inc.-----Original Message----- From: Gregg Luhring [mailto:gregg@3wdesign.com] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:37 PM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: WebDNA 5 gets a mention ..But what does it mean? The enterprise version will consume Web services in the first version and create Web services in the second version. -- Gregg L> From: Alain Russell > Reply-To: (WebDNA Talk) > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:04:56 -0600 > To: (WebDNA Talk) > Subject: WebDNA 5 gets a mention .. > > here: > http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0301/27.server.php > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Phillip Bonesteele

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