Re: Hosts who have upgraded to v5.0?
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2003
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numero = 49050
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texte = Several years ago when I started my business I learned a very valuable lesson that has shaped how my business runs. Quality is very important, so no matter what, create a quality product. But it is easier to sell 1,000,000 single products at $1 each than sell 1 product at $1,000,000. In one situation someone will buy it simply because it is a good deal and they are curious. In the other situation you might as well write an offering prospectus, because you have a very hard sell into the market!I whole heartily agree. I love WebDNA. I try to convince my customers that it's a great language. But they cringe when I tell them my hourly rate to program using that language, and the cost to host using that language. If I had the free time I'd publish several articles about how I have been able to get WebDNA to interact with Linux, perl, php and MySQL. So many other people, who do have the time, have written many books on php, perl and MySQL alone. If WebDNA was more readily available I'm sure more people would write books about it. Of course the book writers are interested in making money, but there would be an increasing interest, thus increasing sales for SmithMicro. So, yes, someone else makes money in that situation too, but for every book sold SMI would most likely sell one copy of the software. And they would not spend a dime on advertising!The cost of the new version is out of my budget, for at least a year. I'm glad I have a very capable server too, since I don't even have the budget for a second server license.SmithMicro needs to do some market studies. Maybe they will figure out that with us small shops anything above $500 people stop and think about spending. I understand that the cost of development is high and you need to recuperate your expenses. But here's an anecdote. When I created NJ-SIngles.com we had a simple $20/month premium membership subscription fee. No one joined. No one wanted to pay $20. So we lowered the fee to $7/month and we have several hundred premium members now with a total membership of 3000 people. It took us about a year to make back out development cost, but the strategy worked.Some of the new features in v5 are interesting, and rather useful. But I'll stay with the workaround scripts that I have written myself.Is anyone listening? Hello? If the legitimate truths above are not understood let me put it another way...Hey! The _Powers_That_Be_, are you with me? Your loyal subjects are almost choking from all the blood sacrifices we have been offering. Our efforts to convert the masses in the belief of WebDNA is failing because your rites of worship are too harsh. Strike me down with lightning (or DOS attacks) if you wish, but I proclaim your good stories as much as possible. But mostly I am called a religious fanatic!Just the opinion or a devout WebDNA Priest! Matthew A Perosi Psi Prime, Inc. nj-singles.com ijo.comClaude Gelinas wrote:> Hi Kenneth, > > It's a very expensive upgrade and it's nowhere close to my available > budget for such an upgrade. I'd go as far as 500$US for a fully > unlimited license. That's the absolute max. > > Unfortunately, the folks at SmithMicro seem to think we're rich, or > something. They fail to see PHP's rock solid capabilities and free > license (which makes a world of a difference since). > > Since a lot of the action on the list seems like it's slowing down, I > take it that perhaps a majority of WebDNA users are already toying > aroung with the thousands of PHP scripts freely available at > http://hotscripts.com/ to convert everything they built with WebDNA in > the past in order to have 100% PHP operations in the future. > > It's sad but SmithMicro can't understand the logic of small web shops > like mine. They seem to think we're very rich and the only way out for > us is to pay their insanely high prices and unattractive conditions > (the domain limitation, namely). > > An alternative talk of this matter is going on at > http://webmaster.mbnx.net/ but my biggest wish would be that SmithMicro > woke up and got a brutal reality check: we're NOT rich! We love the > language but raising the bar for us all will just kill the language by > pushing everyone to something they can afford, such as PHP. > > God, I really hope they wake up! > > Here's a bit of advice: being generous will make you insanely rich. Be > a grinch and you'll choke under your own paranoia that you're it. > SmithMicro: please get a brain. Your sky-high prices are killing any > chance for the language to seriously take off in the market. It doesn't > take a genie to figure that one out but obviously, SmithMicro still > isn't figuring it out... > > I wouldn't say all this if I wasn't madly in love in your language. I'm > doing it because I care. > > Respectfully yours, > > On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > Since I've restarted my efforts to find a new hosting service for some > > of my sites, and since March 31st (tomorrow) is the last day for > > everyone to take advantage of the special discounts available at > > SMSI's web site for upgrading to version 5.0, I'm curious: > > > > How many of you have actually bought an upgrade to 5.x? > > > > How many are waiting for later today or tomorrow before making your > > last-minute decision to purchase? > > > > For those who have paid for this upgrade, do you offer webdna hosting > > services? When do you actually plan to start using it on your hosting > > server? Do you have a specific date in mind, or will you just wait > > until the bugs have been found and squashed? > > > > I haven't seen any reports about the performance of v5.0 posted to > > this list yet. Is there another (separate) list for v5 users? Has > > anyone actually started using it yet? > > -- > > > > PS: Please reply privately to kengrome@softhome.net or > > kengrome@postmark.net, thanks. > > > > Sincerely, > > Kenneth Grome > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list
. > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > > > -- > Claude Gelinas, Chief Technological Officer > MBNX.net - Online Services > > Direct: (418) 657-6184 > Toll free: 1 866 783-2321 > > Mailto:cgelinas@mbnx.net > Visit us - http://mbnx.net/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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Several years ago when I started my business I learned a very valuable lesson that has shaped how my business runs. Quality is very important, so no matter what, create a quality product. But it is easier to sell 1,000,000 single products at $1 each than sell 1 product at $1,000,000. In one situation someone will buy it simply because it is a good deal and they are curious. In the other situation you might as well write an offering prospectus, because you have a very hard sell into the market!I whole heartily agree. I love WebDNA. I try to convince my customers that it's a great language. But they cringe when I tell them my hourly rate to program using that language, and the cost to host using that language. If I had the free time I'd publish several articles about how I have been able to get WebDNA to interact with Linux, perl, php and MySQL. So many other people, who do have the time, have written many books on php, perl and MySQL alone. If WebDNA was more readily available I'm sure more people would write books about it. Of course the book writers are interested in making money, but there would be an increasing interest, thus increasing sales for SmithMicro. So, yes, someone else makes money in that situation too, but for every book sold SMI would most likely sell one copy of the software. And they would not spend a dime on advertising!The cost of the new version is out of my budget, for at least a year. I'm glad I have a very capable server too, since I don't even have the budget for a second server license.SmithMicro needs to do some market studies. Maybe they will figure out that with us small shops anything above $500 people stop and think about spending. I understand that the cost of development is high and you need to recuperate your expenses. But here's an anecdote. When I created NJ-SIngles.com we had a simple $20/month premium membership subscription fee. No one joined. No one wanted to pay $20. So we lowered the fee to $7/month and we have several hundred premium members now with a total membership of 3000 people. It took us about a year to make back out development cost, but the strategy worked.Some of the new features in v5 are interesting, and rather useful. But I'll stay with the workaround scripts that I have written myself.Is anyone listening? Hello? If the legitimate truths above are not understood let me put it another way...Hey! The _Powers_That_Be_, are you with me? Your loyal subjects are almost choking from all the blood sacrifices we have been offering. Our efforts to convert the masses in the belief of WebDNA is failing because your rites of worship are too harsh. Strike me down with lightning (or DOS attacks) if you wish, but I proclaim your good stories as much as possible. But mostly I am called a religious fanatic!Just the opinion or a devout WebDNA Priest! Matthew A Perosi Psi Prime, Inc. nj-singles.com ijo.comClaude Gelinas wrote:> Hi Kenneth, > > It's a very expensive upgrade and it's nowhere close to my available > budget for such an upgrade. I'd go as far as 500$US for a fully > unlimited license. That's the absolute max. > > Unfortunately, the folks at SmithMicro seem to think we're rich, or > something. They fail to see PHP's rock solid capabilities and free > license (which makes a world of a difference since). > > Since a lot of the action on the list seems like it's slowing down, I > take it that perhaps a majority of WebDNA users are already toying > aroung with the thousands of PHP scripts freely available at > http://hotscripts.com/ to convert everything they built with WebDNA in > the past in order to have 100% PHP operations in the future. > > It's sad but SmithMicro can't understand the logic of small web shops > like mine. They seem to think we're very rich and the only way out for > us is to pay their insanely high prices and unattractive conditions > (the domain limitation, namely). > > An alternative talk of this matter is going on at > http://webmaster.mbnx.net/ but my biggest wish would be that SmithMicro > woke up and got a brutal reality check: we're NOT rich! We love the > language but raising the bar for us all will just kill the language by > pushing everyone to something they can afford, such as PHP. > > God, I really hope they wake up! > > Here's a bit of advice: being generous will make you insanely rich. Be > a grinch and you'll choke under your own paranoia that you're it. > SmithMicro: please get a brain. Your sky-high prices are killing any > chance for the language to seriously take off in the market. It doesn't > take a genie to figure that one out but obviously, SmithMicro still > isn't figuring it out... > > I wouldn't say all this if I wasn't madly in love in your language. I'm > doing it because I care. > > Respectfully yours, > > On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > Since I've restarted my efforts to find a new hosting service for some > > of my sites, and since March 31st (tomorrow) is the last day for > > everyone to take advantage of the special discounts available at > > SMSI's web site for upgrading to version 5.0, I'm curious: > > > > How many of you have actually bought an upgrade to 5.x? > > > > How many are waiting for later today or tomorrow before making your > > last-minute decision to purchase? > > > > For those who have paid for this upgrade, do you offer webdna hosting > > services? When do you actually plan to start using it on your hosting > > server? Do you have a specific date in mind, or will you just wait > > until the bugs have been found and squashed? > > > > I haven't seen any reports about the performance of v5.0 posted to > > this list yet. Is there another (separate) list for v5 users? Has > > anyone actually started using it yet? > > -- > > > > PS: Please reply privately to kengrome@softhome.net or > > kengrome@postmark.net, thanks. > > > > Sincerely, > > Kenneth Grome > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > > > -- > Claude Gelinas, Chief Technological Officer > MBNX.net - Online Services > > Direct: (418) 657-6184 > Toll free: 1 866 783-2321 > > Mailto:cgelinas@mbnx.net > Visit us - http://mbnx.net/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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