Re: [WebDNA] No more SQL in 7.1?
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texte = I like the 3 version idea, but for the newer 7.x version. I am still using 6.2 but I agree that it will eventually disappear. Perhaps 3 versions like Fast & Lite & Free - zero dollars Developer - accelerator license, possibly with a shopping cart and/or content management system - costs money. Enterprise - with your choice of SQL, or as many choices as possible. - costs more money. It would also be nice if there was some sort of plug-in architecture to allow the community to create and market add on libraries that integrate with WebDNA to add specific functions. -Jeff On Feb 4, 2012, at 3:08 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > Hi! about the name and the ideas suggested by Ken: > > 6.2 = WebDNA Classic > 7.0 = WebDNA Prime > 7.1 = WebDNA Lite > > Here how i see it: i expect 6.2 to disappear by lack of interest; > 7.0 is faster (particularely the [search] context we optimized and > the [append] context in RAM), offers more control, and runs on > almost any linux-unix platform. On another hand, 6.2 offers windows > version, something we still do not offer for WebDNA 7.x. Thus, it > remains available, with one single version for unlimited domains > and is very reasonably priced. We will see how much of those we are > still selling. My guess is as soon as we have a 7.x windows > version, 6.2 will be in the limbo. > > 7.0 offers MySQL but how many of us need MySQL for new projects? > when SMSI targetted large companies, they would have had to support > Oracle, PostGres etc.. unfortunately, WebDNA lost support from > these customers, php evolved during the last 10 years and the niche > is now controled by ColdFusion, .Net and... php with polished (and > very heavy) applications like WordPress, Joomla, Magento etc... > unfortunately for the webmasters, there is almost no alternative > and i hope WebDNA to become THE alternative. > > WebDNA is much lighter than a LAMP server, the RAM and disk > footprint is a small percentage of a php+MySQL, is faster, includes > its own database system, works great with ajax, json or html5 (and > we will further improve this), is very easy to learn and i think > more and more young programmers, webmasters or even designers will > discover the power of a database driven interactive website without > the hassle ot learning php and MySQL. Sun's acquisition of MySQL > did not go smoothly; most of the MySQL leaders have left Sun. > Oracle, not having the best possible reputation in the Open Source > space, has had a hard time keeping the remaining MySQL people in > the company or even working on the MySQL project. Oracle will also > have a hard time to ensure to the MySQL customers, community and > users that it will keep MySQL "free and available for all". There > is room for WebDNA and i am not sure supporting MySQL will result > in more sales, but it increases costs by needing more builds and by > complicating installation process. > > However, if i am wrong, then we will go back. > > To me, 7.1 is an evolution from 7.0: with its 64bits OSX version, > with its simplified installation process and no more need for > external dependencies. We optimized some parts of the code and we > will go further with future versions to make WebDNA even faster, > even more controllable and we will work with you to make the > language more consistent and add new features (particularely to > simplify interactuation with ajax / html5 / json). But i do not > want WebDNA to convert into a complicated monster like php did. > > I see 7.1 as the new platform to start from and go forward. > > Think different! :-) > > - chris > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 2012, at 22:11, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: > >> You know, then name it 7.0 Lite, not 7.1 >> That would solve all the confusion. >> >> frank >> >> On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:57 AM, aaronmichaelmusic@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> No one ever said anything about abandoning support for >>>> MySQL. Chris simply said he wants to create a Lite version >>>> that's faster and easier to install and will therefore not >>>> support MySQL. >>>> >>>> This is very different from abandoning MySQL support! >>> >>> The language (from Chris/WebDNA Technical Change History) isn't >>> very clear to me one way or the other, so just checking in on the >>> topic. Also, the naming conventions of 'Prime' vs 'Lite' haven't >>> been applied until you came up with it Ken. So without that >>> distinction, I don't know what is being deprecated as opposed to >>> what is being left out for a 'lite-er' variety. Perhaps, if >>> anything, this just creates an opportunity to get feedback from >>> the community on the issue. >>> >>> I only have 1 site now that depends on 6.2, so I'm all about >>> rolling along with the latest builds as they come. I like the >>> 'lite' concept too, especially with the fcgi approach. I can use >>> mostly 7.1 and where I need it, load in the 7.0 build. Cool. >>> One thing I'm not interested in though (and this is just me >>> personally) is maintaining legacy products. So the future >>> direction of this product is also important to me. I want to be >>> sure that the features I need will continue to be supported down >>> the line. That's all. >>> >>> I don't want to start an argument about databases. I think >>> they're both great. But I have to say that the more I've gotten >>> to know RDBs/SQL, the more I think it is really quite cool, and >>> If anything, I plan to start using it more with WebDNA. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list
. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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I like the 3 version idea, but for the newer 7.x version. I am still using 6.2 but I agree that it will eventually disappear. Perhaps 3 versions like Fast & Lite & Free - zero dollars Developer - accelerator license, possibly with a shopping cart and/or content management system - costs money. Enterprise - with your choice of SQL, or as many choices as possible. - costs more money. It would also be nice if there was some sort of plug-in architecture to allow the community to create and market add on libraries that integrate with WebDNA to add specific functions. -Jeff On Feb 4, 2012, at 3:08 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > Hi! about the name and the ideas suggested by Ken: > > 6.2 = WebDNA Classic > 7.0 = WebDNA Prime > 7.1 = WebDNA Lite > > Here how i see it: i expect 6.2 to disappear by lack of interest; > 7.0 is faster (particularely the [search] context we optimized and > the [append] context in RAM), offers more control, and runs on > almost any linux-unix platform. On another hand, 6.2 offers windows > version, something we still do not offer for WebDNA 7.x. Thus, it > remains available, with one single version for unlimited domains > and is very reasonably priced. We will see how much of those we are > still selling. My guess is as soon as we have a 7.x windows > version, 6.2 will be in the limbo. > > 7.0 offers MySQL but how many of us need MySQL for new projects? > when SMSI targetted large companies, they would have had to support > Oracle, PostGres etc.. unfortunately, WebDNA lost support from > these customers, php evolved during the last 10 years and the niche > is now controled by ColdFusion, .Net and... php with polished (and > very heavy) applications like WordPress, Joomla, Magento etc... > unfortunately for the webmasters, there is almost no alternative > and i hope WebDNA to become THE alternative. > > WebDNA is much lighter than a LAMP server, the RAM and disk > footprint is a small percentage of a php+MySQL, is faster, includes > its own database system, works great with ajax, json or html5 (and > we will further improve this), is very easy to learn and i think > more and more young programmers, webmasters or even designers will > discover the power of a database driven interactive website without > the hassle ot learning php and MySQL. Sun's acquisition of MySQL > did not go smoothly; most of the MySQL leaders have left Sun. > Oracle, not having the best possible reputation in the Open Source > space, has had a hard time keeping the remaining MySQL people in > the company or even working on the MySQL project. Oracle will also > have a hard time to ensure to the MySQL customers, community and > users that it will keep MySQL "free and available for all". There > is room for WebDNA and i am not sure supporting MySQL will result > in more sales, but it increases costs by needing more builds and by > complicating installation process. > > However, if i am wrong, then we will go back. > > To me, 7.1 is an evolution from 7.0: with its 64bits OSX version, > with its simplified installation process and no more need for > external dependencies. We optimized some parts of the code and we > will go further with future versions to make WebDNA even faster, > even more controllable and we will work with you to make the > language more consistent and add new features (particularely to > simplify interactuation with ajax / html5 / json). But i do not > want WebDNA to convert into a complicated monster like php did. > > I see 7.1 as the new platform to start from and go forward. > > Think different! :-) > > - chris > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 2012, at 22:11, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: > >> You know, then name it 7.0 Lite, not 7.1 >> That would solve all the confusion. >> >> frank >> >> On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:57 AM, aaronmichaelmusic@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> No one ever said anything about abandoning support for >>>> MySQL. Chris simply said he wants to create a Lite version >>>> that's faster and easier to install and will therefore not >>>> support MySQL. >>>> >>>> This is very different from abandoning MySQL support! >>> >>> The language (from Chris/WebDNA Technical Change History) isn't >>> very clear to me one way or the other, so just checking in on the >>> topic. Also, the naming conventions of 'Prime' vs 'Lite' haven't >>> been applied until you came up with it Ken. So without that >>> distinction, I don't know what is being deprecated as opposed to >>> what is being left out for a 'lite-er' variety. Perhaps, if >>> anything, this just creates an opportunity to get feedback from >>> the community on the issue. >>> >>> I only have 1 site now that depends on 6.2, so I'm all about >>> rolling along with the latest builds as they come. I like the >>> 'lite' concept too, especially with the fcgi approach. I can use >>> mostly 7.1 and where I need it, load in the 7.0 build. Cool. >>> One thing I'm not interested in though (and this is just me >>> personally) is maintaining legacy products. So the future >>> direction of this product is also important to me. I want to be >>> sure that the features I need will continue to be supported down >>> the line. That's all. >>> >>> I don't want to start an argument about databases. I think >>> they're both great. But I have to say that the more I've gotten >>> to know RDBs/SQL, the more I think it is really quite cool, and >>> If anything, I plan to start using it more with WebDNA. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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