Re: [WebDNA] Has anyone used 'bootstrap' as their base to create a
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texte = 618 Hi Dale, I=E2=80=99ve been doing a mountain of work in WordPress. The WordPress = system has themes and plugins. Themes are used to stylize the website = appearance separately from its content. Plugins provide a mechanism for = modifying or expanding WordPress core functions. Every single theme I=E2=80=99ve used is responsive and includes = bootstrap v3. WordPress themes make building a website embarrassingly = easy. Once I=E2=80=99ve set the primary colors and font faces, I can = configure a large number of different widgets that can be used on any = page or post. Bootstrap means that after I finish basic setup and create a home page, = that page just works as I resize the screen. I do usually have to make = a few tweaks to the CSS files, but by and large, the templates work out = of the virtual box. It can be extremely time consuming to design an interface from scratch. = The themes I=E2=80=99ve been using for wordpress will replace the entire = top menu of the site below a certain screen width, to a hamburger menu = (the 3 horizontal lines universally indicating that the menu hides = here). That means that the entire div containing the main menu is = hidden and a single Font Awesome icon links to a special menu modal that = hovers the page when the hamburger menu is clicked. I would wast a huge chunk of time getting that tuned up and working = properly. It=E2=80=99d essential stuff because today, more than half of = web traffic is coming from mobile somethings. Perhaps humanity will = mutate toward magnified vision. The ugly fact is that a non-responsive = site will not only loose much traffic, but those developers will be = replaced by theme pushers like me. That said, I think there would be a huge opportunity to develop a = wordpress plugin that would provide an interface to WebDNA for custom = functions within a wordpress site. Let wordpress handle all the = structure & CSS stuff, as well as a solid back end administration = interface. What wordpress sorely lacks is a tool for creating custom = functions and logic within the CMS. So, in short, Bootstrap will provide some nice shorthand for using CSS = to lay out your pages into columns and provide nice tools for obtaining = a responsive structure, but it must still be mastered and the pages = built. It is one good part of the basic necessities for a =E2=80=9Cmodern= =E2=80=9D website. There are also UI frameworks that standardize = commonly used form elements and there are tools that make writing CSS = more efficient by providing a syntax that gets compiled into final, = compact CSS. A good wordpress theme uses all of these and its developers have = painstakingly structured all the hard-to-build stuff so that anyone can = make good looking stuff. The only thing that wordpress stinks at is any = sort of custom logic. There=E2=80=99s a wilderness of specialized = plugins that all do very specific things. Most of them can be more = trouble than they=E2=80=99re worth because they might come close to what = a client specifically needs, but then they=E2=80=99re either much too = complicated, or just won=E2=80=99t work properly. Some companies have tried to build interfaces for doing custom stuff, = but most of them are heartbreakingly short of ever being able to do the = one thing I absolutely need to get done. So I end up arguing with PHP = until it works. > On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:53 PM, dale
wrote: >=20 > Me again! >=20 > I'm wondering if anyone has used the bootstrap templates as a base for = a new multiple device website? >=20 > Most of our techs use a tablet, some use their cell phone where a few = people will be using a desktop. Since bootstrap includes css for = different sized screens, I'm thinking of using this for my templates.=20 >=20 > Making this site functional on smaller devices is key to the techs = using it (plus of course that I code it well enough to have a good = workflow), >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Dale > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us .
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618 Hi Dale, I=E2=80=99ve been doing a mountain of work in WordPress. The WordPress = system has themes and plugins. Themes are used to stylize the website = appearance separately from its content. Plugins provide a mechanism for = modifying or expanding WordPress core functions. Every single theme I=E2=80=99ve used is responsive and includes = bootstrap v3. WordPress themes make building a website embarrassingly = easy. Once I=E2=80=99ve set the primary colors and font faces, I can = configure a large number of different widgets that can be used on any = page or post. Bootstrap means that after I finish basic setup and create a home page, = that page just works as I resize the screen. I do usually have to make = a few tweaks to the CSS files, but by and large, the templates work out = of the virtual box. It can be extremely time consuming to design an interface from scratch. = The themes I=E2=80=99ve been using for wordpress will replace the entire = top menu of the site below a certain screen width, to a hamburger menu = (the 3 horizontal lines universally indicating that the menu hides = here). That means that the entire div containing the main menu is = hidden and a single Font Awesome icon links to a special menu modal that = hovers the page when the hamburger menu is clicked. I would wast a huge chunk of time getting that tuned up and working = properly. It=E2=80=99d essential stuff because today, more than half of = web traffic is coming from mobile somethings. Perhaps humanity will = mutate toward magnified vision. The ugly fact is that a non-responsive = site will not only loose much traffic, but those developers will be = replaced by theme pushers like me. That said, I think there would be a huge opportunity to develop a = wordpress plugin that would provide an interface to WebDNA for custom = functions within a wordpress site. Let wordpress handle all the = structure & CSS stuff, as well as a solid back end administration = interface. What wordpress sorely lacks is a tool for creating custom = functions and logic within the CMS. So, in short, Bootstrap will provide some nice shorthand for using CSS = to lay out your pages into columns and provide nice tools for obtaining = a responsive structure, but it must still be mastered and the pages = built. It is one good part of the basic necessities for a =E2=80=9Cmodern= =E2=80=9D website. There are also UI frameworks that standardize = commonly used form elements and there are tools that make writing CSS = more efficient by providing a syntax that gets compiled into final, = compact CSS. A good wordpress theme uses all of these and its developers have = painstakingly structured all the hard-to-build stuff so that anyone can = make good looking stuff. The only thing that wordpress stinks at is any = sort of custom logic. There=E2=80=99s a wilderness of specialized = plugins that all do very specific things. Most of them can be more = trouble than they=E2=80=99re worth because they might come close to what = a client specifically needs, but then they=E2=80=99re either much too = complicated, or just won=E2=80=99t work properly. Some companies have tried to build interfaces for doing custom stuff, = but most of them are heartbreakingly short of ever being able to do the = one thing I absolutely need to get done. So I end up arguing with PHP = until it works. > On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:53 PM, dale wrote: >=20 > Me again! >=20 > I'm wondering if anyone has used the bootstrap templates as a base for = a new multiple device website? >=20 > Most of our techs use a tablet, some use their cell phone where a few = people will be using a desktop. Since bootstrap includes css for = different sized screens, I'm thinking of using this for my templates.=20 >=20 > Making this site functional on smaller devices is key to the techs = using it (plus of course that I code it well enough to have a good = workflow), >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Dale > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us .
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