Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA and MAMP/Apache (Mac)

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2018

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texte = 1659--Apple-Mail=_94AD8B73-031C-4D37-B3E6-D6EB24BA92BDContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8@Stuart I would be more than happy to move into the cloud if I just =could, =E2=80=A6a) find a place where the support WebDNA and Perlb) avoid doing the CLI work myselfc) and a reasonable costDoes this exist? I don=E2=80=99t know - but I would love to learn :)/Palle> On 11 Mar 2018, at 23.05, Stuart Tremain wrote:>=20> Hi Bob>=20> You have total 100% control over MySQL at Amazon - I have just moved =to their Aurora product. All I had to do was a few clicks to replicate a =MySQL instance to Aurora. Aurora is the same as MySQL but the underlying =architecture enables elastic expansion, replication and distribution. =Far cheaper than standard MySQL.>=20> The other advantage about RDS on Amazon is being able to schedule =backups so easily.>=20> I use Navicat Premium Essentials as a GUI for all db instances - =can=E2=80=99t live without it now.>=20>=20> Kind regards>=20> Stuart Tremain> Pharoah Lane Software> AUSTRALIA> webdna@idfk.com.au >=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>> On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:49, Bob Minor > wrote:>>=20>> Curious what you get for and pay for. How much usage. Viability on =MySQL etc. on amazon.=20>>=20>> Robert Minor>> Cybermill.com >> 314-962-4024 ext 500>>=20>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 16:41, Stuart Tremain > wrote:>>=20>>> I just can=E2=80=99t understand why anyone would want to have their =own hardware anymore.>>>=20>>> After having our own hardware both onsite and in a datacenter I have =been given a new lease on life by not having to deal with any of that =now by using cloud services.>>>=20>>> I won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in the office anymore, it is far =cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a month to have a development =server than it is to have something in a rack taking up space & power in =the office.>>>=20>>> All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the office plus 20+ servers with =Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & Nexcess. The system we have built at =Amazon we could never replicate with our own hardware and be financially =viable, or for that case have the technical expertise to maintain. No =need to carry spare HDs or other circuitry, no need for a network =engineer, no more call outs to deal with hardware issues at 11:30pm on =Christmas night after a hard day or partying. I can even administer =servers from 30,000+ feet in an aeroplane these days. And when the =hardware fails, it is already running seamlessly on another instance and =I get an email telling me about it when I wake up.>>>=20>>> Then the other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, =internet connection redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, noice =control - not my concern anymore !>>>=20>>> If you are wondering why Apple Server is changing all the time, you =probably need to ask yourself if Apple really care about a product that =is very quickly becoming obsolete - that is unless you are still looking =for a pay phone because you don=E2=80=99t think that cell phones will =ever take off.>>>=20>>>=20>>> Kind regards>>>=20>>> Stuart Tremain>>> Pharoah Lane Software>>> AUSTRALIA>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>> On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome > wrote:>>>>=20>>>>> The purpose is quite simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to>>>>> something else which includes a GUI. Primary usage is>>>>> Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.>>>>=20>>>> I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and I>>>> have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I switched.>>>>=20>>>> Webmin lets me do practically everything I need to do on a server>>>> via its GUI interface. First I use the VPS host's control panel to>>>> setup the initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything>>>> else.>>>>=20>>>> I do not expect anyone who's been running Apple servers for>>>> so long to want to learn a new system. After all humans are>>>> creatures of habit who are often determined resist change,>>>> sometimes for far longer than they should.>>>>=20>>>> But ...>>>>=20>>>> If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan decides to switch,>>>> using Webmin to manage a Linux server makes a lot of sense.>>>>=20>>>> Regards,>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>> WebDNA Solutions>>>> http://www.webdnasolutions.com >>>> Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list talk@webdna.us >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us =>>>> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 =>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list =talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: =talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us =------------------------------------------------=--------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the =mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, =E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message =is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list =talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail=_94AD8B73-031C-4D37-B3E6-D6EB24BA92BDContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8@Stuart I would be more than happy to move into the cloud if =I just could, =E2=80=A6

a) find a place where the support WebDNA and Perl

b) avoid doing the CLI work myself

c) =and a reasonable cost

Does this exist? I don=E2=80=99t know - but I would love to =learn :)

/Palle

On 11 Mar 2018, at 23.05, =Stuart Tremain <webdna@idfk.com.au> wrote:

Hi Bob

You have total 100% =control over MySQL at Amazon - I have just moved to their Aurora =product. All I had to do was a few clicks to replicate a MySQL instance =to Aurora. Aurora is the same as MySQL but the underlying architecture =enables elastic expansion, replication and distribution. Far cheaper =than standard MySQL.

The other advantage about RDS on Amazon is being able to =schedule backups so easily.

I use Navicat Premium Essentials as a GUI for all db =instances - can=E2=80=99t live without it now.

Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane =Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au

On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:49, Bob Minor <bob.minor@cybermill.com> wrote:

Curious what you get for and pay =for. How much usage. Viability on MySQL etc. on amazon.

Robert =Minor
Cybermill.com
314-962-4024 ext 500

On Mar 11, 2018, at 16:41, Stuart Tremain <webdna@idfk.com.au> =wrote:

I just can=E2=80=99t =understand why anyone would want to have their own hardware anymore.

After having our own =hardware both onsite and in a datacenter I have been given a new lease =on life by not having to deal with any of that now by using cloud =services.

I =won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in the office anymore, it is far =cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a month to have a development =server than it is to have something in a rack taking up space & =power in the office.

All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the office plus 20+ servers =with Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & Nexcess. The system we have =built at Amazon we could never replicate with our own hardware and be =financially viable, or for that case have the technical expertise to =maintain. No need to carry spare HDs or other circuitry, no need for a =network engineer, no more call outs to deal with hardware issues at =11:30pm on Christmas night after a hard day or partying. I can even =administer servers from 30,000+ feet in an aeroplane these days. And =when the hardware fails, it is already running seamlessly on another =instance and I get an email telling me about it when I wake =up.

Then the =other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, internet connection =redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, noice control - not my =concern anymore !

If you are wondering why Apple Server is changing all the =time, you probably need to ask yourself if Apple really care about a =product that is very quickly becoming obsolete - that is unless you are =still looking for a pay phone because you don=E2=80=99t think that cell =phones will ever take off.

Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane =Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au

On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.com> wrote:

The purpose is quite =simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to
something else =which includes a GUI. Primary usage is
Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.

I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and =I
have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I =switched.

Webmin lets me do practically =everything I need to do on a server
via its GUI interface. =First I use the VPS host's control panel to
setup the =initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything
else.

I do not expect anyone =who's been running Apple servers for
so long to want to =learn a new system. After all humans are
creatures =of habit who are often determined resist change,
sometimes =for far longer than they should.

But ...

If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan =decides to switch,
using Webmin to manage a Linux server =makes a lot of sense.

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database =Systems and Linux Server Administration

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1659--Apple-Mail=_94AD8B73-031C-4D37-B3E6-D6EB24BA92BDContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8@Stuart I would be more than happy to move into the cloud if I just =could, =E2=80=A6a) find a place where the support WebDNA and Perlb) avoid doing the CLI work myselfc) and a reasonable costDoes this exist? I don=E2=80=99t know - but I would love to learn :)/Palle> On 11 Mar 2018, at 23.05, Stuart Tremain wrote:>=20> Hi Bob>=20> You have total 100% control over MySQL at Amazon - I have just moved =to their Aurora product. All I had to do was a few clicks to replicate a =MySQL instance to Aurora. Aurora is the same as MySQL but the underlying =architecture enables elastic expansion, replication and distribution. =Far cheaper than standard MySQL.>=20> The other advantage about RDS on Amazon is being able to schedule =backups so easily.>=20> I use Navicat Premium Essentials as a GUI for all db instances - =can=E2=80=99t live without it now.>=20>=20> Kind regards>=20> Stuart Tremain> Pharoah Lane Software> AUSTRALIA> webdna@idfk.com.au >=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>> On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:49, Bob Minor > wrote:>>=20>> Curious what you get for and pay for. How much usage. Viability on =MySQL etc. on amazon.=20>>=20>> Robert Minor>> Cybermill.com >> 314-962-4024 ext 500>>=20>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 16:41, Stuart Tremain > wrote:>>=20>>> I just can=E2=80=99t understand why anyone would want to have their =own hardware anymore.>>>=20>>> After having our own hardware both onsite and in a datacenter I have =been given a new lease on life by not having to deal with any of that =now by using cloud services.>>>=20>>> I won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in the office anymore, it is far =cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a month to have a development =server than it is to have something in a rack taking up space & power in =the office.>>>=20>>> All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the office plus 20+ servers with =Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & Nexcess. The system we have built at =Amazon we could never replicate with our own hardware and be financially =viable, or for that case have the technical expertise to maintain. No =need to carry spare HDs or other circuitry, no need for a network =engineer, no more call outs to deal with hardware issues at 11:30pm on =Christmas night after a hard day or partying. I can even administer =servers from 30,000+ feet in an aeroplane these days. And when the =hardware fails, it is already running seamlessly on another instance and =I get an email telling me about it when I wake up.>>>=20>>> Then the other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, =internet connection redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, noice =control - not my concern anymore !>>>=20>>> If you are wondering why Apple Server is changing all the time, you =probably need to ask yourself if Apple really care about a product that =is very quickly becoming obsolete - that is unless you are still looking =for a pay phone because you don=E2=80=99t think that cell phones will =ever take off.>>>=20>>>=20>>> Kind regards>>>=20>>> Stuart Tremain>>> Pharoah Lane Software>>> AUSTRALIA>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>> On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome > wrote:>>>>=20>>>>> The purpose is quite simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to>>>>> something else which includes a GUI. Primary usage is>>>>> Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.>>>>=20>>>> I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and I>>>> have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I switched.>>>>=20>>>> Webmin lets me do practically everything I need to do on a server>>>> via its GUI interface. First I use the VPS host's control panel to>>>> setup the initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything>>>> else.>>>>=20>>>> I do not expect anyone who's been running Apple servers for>>>> so long to want to learn a new system. After all humans are>>>> creatures of habit who are often determined resist change,>>>> sometimes for far longer than they should.>>>>=20>>>> But ...>>>>=20>>>> If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan decides to switch,>>>> using Webmin to manage a Linux server makes a lot of sense.>>>>=20>>>> Regards,>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>> WebDNA Solutions>>>> http://www.webdnasolutions.com >>>> Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list talk@webdna.us >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us =>>>> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 =>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list =talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: =talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us =------------------------------------------------=--------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the =mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, =E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message =is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list =talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail=_94AD8B73-031C-4D37-B3E6-D6EB24BA92BDContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8@Stuart I would be more than happy to move into the cloud if =I just could, =E2=80=A6