Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions?

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2002


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 41386
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texte = Thanks for the advice on the technical logging, I'll check that out. Really my biggest concern is that it's hard enough to get companies to purchase as it is. There have been a few inquiries as of late and I know that they have been comparing what they get with coldfusion vs typhoon pro. Now that typhoon pro is no more and the current offering has limitations compared to the old, it will hurt prospects. I guess my point lies more in the fact that even if some limits are within reason for some clients, the fact that there is ANY LIMITATION, where there was previously none, is scary to them! Switching over to new technology is scarry enough without having to say oh, we raised the price and put in more limitations, especially when the comparison process has already begun!dylan >10 concurrent page requests is a fair bit .. >We run busy domains and hardly ever get 2 requests at exactly the same time. > >Next time you have a minute turn on the technical logging in WebDNA, >whereever the elapsed time numbers go funny .. Like from 3 to 3664856463783 >is where the engine is actually multithreading .. > >We only ever got this once every 20-30 minutes .. Other than that WebDNA was >handling everything one page at a time .. > >We serve 40,000 users a month on that server .. > >Alain > > > >> I have a few mid sized customers who I have convinced to put typhoon >> pro on their servers. >> Now they are interested in webdna due to what it has done for them >> and they justify >> the original expenditure of 600.00 after the fact, but they would >> NEVER spend 2,000.00. >> >> There are plenty of mid sized companies out there who have enough >> volume on their single domain to justify unlimited >> concurrent connections. They used to get in at 599.00, they now have >> to get in at 1995.00 This makes it much harder as >> a development company to price these things. Especially since many >> of the mid sized companies out there have a department >> in-house which hosts on-site. Many of these are the companies who >> already have php,asp,cfm on their servers and >> aren't easy to convince to take the webDNA plunge. AND IT REALLY >> SEEMS LIKE A DEEPER PLUNGE THAN ITS EVER BEEN BEFORE! >> >> AND DON'T TELL ME THAT THE PRICING ON THE INTRANET AND ENTERPRISE >> EDITIONS WILL MAKE ME HAPPY AND >> FIX THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EVEN DUE OUT FOR 1-2 YEARS! >> >> >>> Old: Typhoon Pro $600 New: WebDNA - Partner Edition $899 >>> Same product feature set as Typhoon Pro, updated to include all 4.5 >>> enhancements. Unlimited domains, limited to 10 concurrent page requests >>> (not connections), which is adequate for a small number of production >>> domains or moderate traffic volume. This was in response to requests for >>> the continued availability of a Typhoon Pro like product for the use in >>> vertical applications (typically non-commerce), which are usually targeted >>> at specific end customers that are not hosting numerous domains. Hosting >>> providers that have a large number of hosted sites or very heavy traffic >>> volume should purchase Commerce Edition (that has unlimited connections), >>> which was reduced by $1,500 to the current price of $1,995. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
  1. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (Kenneth Grome 2002)
  2. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (Jeff Logan 2002)
  3. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (Scott Anderson 2002)
  4. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (Alain Russell 2002)
  5. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (Brian Fries 2002)
  6. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (dylan wood 2002)
  7. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (Alain Russell 2002)
  8. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (dylan wood 2002)
  9. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (Phillip Bonesteele 2002)
  10. Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (dylan wood 2002)
  11. SMSI: WebDNA Versions? (Kenneth Grome 2002)
Thanks for the advice on the technical logging, I'll check that out. Really my biggest concern is that it's hard enough to get companies to purchase as it is. There have been a few inquiries as of late and I know that they have been comparing what they get with coldfusion vs typhoon pro. Now that typhoon pro is no more and the current offering has limitations compared to the old, it will hurt prospects. I guess my point lies more in the fact that even if some limits are within reason for some clients, the fact that there is ANY LIMITATION, where there was previously none, is scary to them! Switching over to new technology is scarry enough without having to say oh, we raised the price and put in more limitations, especially when the comparison process has already begun!dylan >10 concurrent page requests is a fair bit .. >We run busy domains and hardly ever get 2 requests at exactly the same time. > >Next time you have a minute turn on the technical logging in WebDNA, >whereever the elapsed time numbers go funny .. Like from 3 to 3664856463783 >is where the engine is actually multithreading .. > >We only ever got this once every 20-30 minutes .. Other than that WebDNA was >handling everything one page at a time .. > >We serve 40,000 users a month on that server .. > >Alain > > > >> I have a few mid sized customers who I have convinced to put typhoon >> pro on their servers. >> Now they are interested in webdna due to what it has done for them >> and they justify >> the original expenditure of 600.00 after the fact, but they would >> NEVER spend 2,000.00. >> >> There are plenty of mid sized companies out there who have enough >> volume on their single domain to justify unlimited >> concurrent connections. They used to get in at 599.00, they now have >> to get in at 1995.00 This makes it much harder as >> a development company to price these things. Especially since many >> of the mid sized companies out there have a department >> in-house which hosts on-site. Many of these are the companies who >> already have php,asp,cfm on their servers and >> aren't easy to convince to take the webDNA plunge. AND IT REALLY >> SEEMS LIKE A DEEPER PLUNGE THAN ITS EVER BEEN BEFORE! >> >> AND DON'T TELL ME THAT THE PRICING ON THE INTRANET AND ENTERPRISE >> EDITIONS WILL MAKE ME HAPPY AND >> FIX THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EVEN DUE OUT FOR 1-2 YEARS! >> >> >>> Old: Typhoon Pro $600 New: WebDNA - Partner Edition $899 >>> Same product feature set as Typhoon Pro, updated to include all 4.5 >>> enhancements. Unlimited domains, limited to 10 concurrent page requests >>> (not connections), which is adequate for a small number of production >>> domains or moderate traffic volume. This was in response to requests for >>> the continued availability of a Typhoon Pro like product for the use in >>> vertical applications (typically non-commerce), which are usually targeted >>> at specific end customers that are not hosting numerous domains. Hosting >>> providers that have a large number of hosted sites or very heavy traffic >>> volume should purchase Commerce Edition (that has unlimited connections), >>> which was reduced by $1,500 to the current price of $1,995. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ dylan wood

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