Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions?
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2002
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 41396
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texte = I think setting this number to 30 would get more people to buy this version, 10 it such a low number, that the server would be swapped quickly I feel with medium traffic.Jeff Logan >In the case of the Partner and Developer editions, the request would receive >a busy message (which can be customized). The concurrent request limit in >these editions is not the same as the new Thread Limit pref in the >Commerce edition, in which additional requests would be queued. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WebCatalog Talk >> [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf >> Of Alain Russell >> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:34 PM >> To: WebCatalog Talk >> Subject: Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? >> >> >> I think Scott mentioned in an old email that the request >> would be queued for >> a certain amount of time (hopefully a preference setting) >> then a message >> would be displayed - which is just a text file in the >> webcatalogengine file >> that can be modified .. >> >> >> >> > Question: What will the users see should the 10-request >> limit be hit? >> > Will they simply be delayed until WebDNA has a free slot to process >> > the page in, or will they receive a server busy error message? The >> > error message would be a critical flaw, particularly if the user is >> > submitting a form. If it is an error message, is it one we >> can modify? >> > >> > - brian >> > >> > At 7:16 PM 7/10/02, dylan wood wrote: >> >> Thanks for the advice on the technical logging, I'll check >> that out. >> >> Really my biggest concern is that it's hard enough to get companies >> >> to purchase as it is. There have been a few inquiries as of late >> >> and I know that they have been comparing what they get with >> >> coldfusion vs typhoon pro. Now that typhoon pro is no more and the >> >> current offering has limitations compared to the old, it will hurt >> >> prospects. I guess my point lies more in the fact that even if some >> >> limits are within reason for some clients, the fact that there is >> >> ANY LIMITATION, where there was previously none, is scary to them! >> >> Switching over to new technology is scarry enough without having to >> >> say oh, we raised the price and put in more limitations, >> >> especially when the comparison process has already begun! >> >> >> >> dylan >> >> >> >>> 10 concurrent page requests is a fair bit .. >> >>> We run busy domains and hardly ever get 2 requests at >> exactly the same time. >> >>> >> >>> Next time you have a minute turn on the technical logging >> in WebDNA, >> >>> whereever the elapsed time numbers go funny .. Like from >> 3 to 3664856463783 >> >>> is where the engine is actually multithreading .. >> >>> >> >>> We only ever got this once every 20-30 minutes .. Other >> than that WebDNA was >> >>> handling everything one page at a time .. >> >>> >> >>> We serve 40,000 users a month on that server .. >> >>> >> >>> Alain >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> I have a few mid sized customers who I have convinced >> to put typhoon >> >>>> pro on their servers. >> >>>> Now they are interested in webdna due to what it has >> done for them >> >>>> and they justify >> >>>> the original expenditure of 600.00 after the fact, but >> they would >> >>>> NEVER spend 2,000.00. >> >>>> >> >>>> There are plenty of mid sized companies out there who >> have enough >> >>>> volume on their single domain to justify unlimited >> >>>> concurrent connections. They used to get in at 599.00, >> they now have >> >>>> to get in at 1995.00 This makes it much harder as >> >>>> a development company to price these things. >> Especially since many >> >>>> of the mid sized companies out there have a department >> >>>> in-house which hosts on-site. Many of these are the >> companies who >> >>>> already have php,asp,cfm on their servers and >> >>>> aren't easy to convince to take the webDNA plunge. AND >> IT REALLY >> >>>> SEEMS LIKE A DEEPER PLUNGE THAN ITS EVER BEEN BEFORE! >> >>>> >> >>>> AND DON'T TELL ME THAT THE PRICING ON THE INTRANET AND >> ENTERPRISE >> >>>> EDITIONS WILL MAKE ME HAPPY AND >> >>>> FIX THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EVEN DUE OUT FOR 1-2 YEARS! >> >>>> >> >>>>> Old: Typhoon Pro $600 New: WebDNA - Partner Edition $899 >> >>>>> Same product feature set as Typhoon Pro, updated to >> include all 4.5 >> >>>>> enhancements. Unlimited domains, limited to 10 >> concurrent page requests >> >>>>> (not connections), which is adequate for a small >> number of production >> >>>>> domains or moderate traffic volume. This was in >> response to requests for >> >>>>> the continued availability of a Typhoon Pro like >> product for the use in >> >>>>> vertical applications (typically non-commerce), which >> are usually >> >>>>> targeted >> >>>>> at specific end customers that are not hosting >> numerous domains. Hosting >> >>>>> providers that have a large number of hosted sites or >> very heavy traffic >> >>>>> volume should purchase Commerce Edition (that has >> unlimited connections), >> >>>>> which was reduced by $1,500 to the current price of $1,995. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------- >> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> > the mailing list
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I think setting this number to 30 would get more people to buy this version, 10 it such a low number, that the server would be swapped quickly I feel with medium traffic.Jeff Logan >In the case of the Partner and Developer editions, the request would receive >a busy message (which can be customized). The concurrent request limit in >these editions is not the same as the new Thread Limit pref in the >Commerce edition, in which additional requests would be queued. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WebCatalog Talk >> [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf >> Of Alain Russell >> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:34 PM >> To: WebCatalog Talk >> Subject: Re: SMSI: WebDNA Versions? >> >> >> I think Scott mentioned in an old email that the request >> would be queued for >> a certain amount of time (hopefully a preference setting) >> then a message >> would be displayed - which is just a text file in the >> webcatalogengine file >> that can be modified .. >> >> >> >> > Question: What will the users see should the 10-request >> limit be hit? >> > Will they simply be delayed until WebDNA has a free slot to process >> > the page in, or will they receive a server busy error message? The >> > error message would be a critical flaw, particularly if the user is >> > submitting a form. If it is an error message, is it one we >> can modify? >> > >> > - brian >> > >> > At 7:16 PM 7/10/02, dylan wood wrote: >> >> Thanks for the advice on the technical logging, I'll check >> that out. >> >> Really my biggest concern is that it's hard enough to get companies >> >> to purchase as it is. There have been a few inquiries as of late >> >> and I know that they have been comparing what they get with >> >> coldfusion vs typhoon pro. Now that typhoon pro is no more and the >> >> current offering has limitations compared to the old, it will hurt >> >> prospects. I guess my point lies more in the fact that even if some >> >> limits are within reason for some clients, the fact that there is >> >> ANY LIMITATION, where there was previously none, is scary to them! >> >> Switching over to new technology is scarry enough without having to >> >> say oh, we raised the price and put in more limitations, >> >> especially when the comparison process has already begun! >> >> >> >> dylan >> >> >> >>> 10 concurrent page requests is a fair bit .. >> >>> We run busy domains and hardly ever get 2 requests at >> exactly the same time. >> >>> >> >>> Next time you have a minute turn on the technical logging >> in WebDNA, >> >>> whereever the elapsed time numbers go funny .. Like from >> 3 to 3664856463783 >> >>> is where the engine is actually multithreading .. >> >>> >> >>> We only ever got this once every 20-30 minutes .. Other >> than that WebDNA was >> >>> handling everything one page at a time .. >> >>> >> >>> We serve 40,000 users a month on that server .. >> >>> >> >>> Alain >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> I have a few mid sized customers who I have convinced >> to put typhoon >> >>>> pro on their servers. >> >>>> Now they are interested in webdna due to what it has >> done for them >> >>>> and they justify >> >>>> the original expenditure of 600.00 after the fact, but >> they would >> >>>> NEVER spend 2,000.00. >> >>>> >> >>>> There are plenty of mid sized companies out there who >> have enough >> >>>> volume on their single domain to justify unlimited >> >>>> concurrent connections. They used to get in at 599.00, >> they now have >> >>>> to get in at 1995.00 This makes it much harder as >> >>>> a development company to price these things. >> Especially since many >> >>>> of the mid sized companies out there have a department >> >>>> in-house which hosts on-site. Many of these are the >> companies who >> >>>> already have php,asp,cfm on their servers and >> >>>> aren't easy to convince to take the webDNA plunge. AND >> IT REALLY >> >>>> SEEMS LIKE A DEEPER PLUNGE THAN ITS EVER BEEN BEFORE! >> >>>> >> >>>> AND DON'T TELL ME THAT THE PRICING ON THE INTRANET AND >> ENTERPRISE >> >>>> EDITIONS WILL MAKE ME HAPPY AND >> >>>> FIX THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EVEN DUE OUT FOR 1-2 YEARS! >> >>>> >> >>>>> Old: Typhoon Pro $600 New: WebDNA - Partner Edition $899 >> >>>>> Same product feature set as Typhoon Pro, updated to >> include all 4.5 >> >>>>> enhancements. Unlimited domains, limited to 10 >> concurrent page requests >> >>>>> (not connections), which is adequate for a small >> number of production >> >>>>> domains or moderate traffic volume. This was in >> response to requests for >> >>>>> the continued availability of a Typhoon Pro like >> product for the use in >> >>>>> vertical applications (typically non-commerce), which >> are usually >> >>>>> targeted >> >>>>> at specific end customers that are not hosting >> numerous domains. Hosting >> >>>>> providers that have a large number of hosted sites or >> very heavy traffic >> >>>>> volume should purchase Commerce Edition (that has >> unlimited connections), >> >>>>> which was reduced by $1,500 to the current price of $1,995. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------- >> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> > the mailing list . >> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> > >> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/InsideOut Marketing and Web Solutions - 229 South Sequim Ave, Sequim, WA 98382 Web Design and Hosting, Business Marketing, Print Design and ManagementToll Free: 1-800-500-8401 Phone: 360.683.5774 Fax: 360.683.5857 Email: mailto:jeff@insideout.com Web: http://www.insideout.com----------------------------------------------------------------- Learn about our company at http://www.savvyinnkeeper.com Demo our B&B hosting features at http://www.sampleinn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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