Re: Who owns the code?

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2002

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texte = There could be a problem here.... if your copyrighted code is describing acalendar event, then you're OK. If however, that describes a dried fruit,then you'll hear from my lawyer....-- Tim RobinsonIDFK Web Developmentstim@idfk.com.au> From: Dan Strong > Reply-To: (WebCatalog Talk)> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 21:31:21> To: (WebCatalog Talk)> Subject: Re: Who owns the code?> > [date]> > ^^^^^^> > Above code (c) 2002 Strong Graphic Design (R). ALL RIGHTS> RESERVED. Please make all royalty checks out to SGD. Thank> you.> > -Dan> > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:28:06> Kenneth Grome wrote:>> Cute comparison, but not quite the same of course ... :)>> >> Intelligent webdna programmers always use snippets of>> their previous code in new projects. Sometimes they>> begin with the entire code base of a previous project,>> then they modify it to fit a new project. To do this>> legally with code you have already sold to someone else>> requires a license to re-use that code -- and to retain>> the ownership of any modifications or derivatives of that>> code.>> >> Of course it can be done the other way as well, simply by>> retaining ownership yourself, then giving the customer>> the license to use it on one or more web sites. But most>> customers expect to own the code since they are the ones>> paying for it, thus my reason for selling the ownership>> and retaining a license to re-use it in future projects.>> >> It seems like the last thing any webdna consultant would>> ever want to do is to sell the rights to the code they>> write for a customer without retaining the right to>> re-use that code. Given the fact that the same snippets>> of code can be modified for use in many future sites, why>> would you cut your own throat by giving away your right>> to re-use any code you have written?>> >> Anyways, this whole issue is one of those things that is>> doubtful to ever bother you unless you create a great>> site and then go out and try to sell it to the>> competitors of your original customer -- which would>> obviously be a very unethical thing to do -- but I have>> heard of people doing just that.>> >> If you give encrypted copies of your templates to your>> clients to be used on their web servers, then no one will>> ever actually see the code you have written, even if they>> manage to download the templates via FTP or copy them via>> some other method, because they are encrypted.>> >> Only the 'big' clients ever ask about this issue anyways,>> or at least that has been my experience. The rest seem>> more concerned about getting their sites up and running>> ASAP ... :)>> >> >> >>> Same sort of thing happened to me last week.>>> >>> I went into the local BMW Dealer and asked the rep about>>> the price of an M3>>> - guy said he could do me a good deal as long as he and>>> any of his mates>>> could take it out for a spin whenever he felt like it.>>> >>> ...>>> >>> On 7/8/02 3:13 PM, Kenneth Grome >>> wrote:>>> >>>>> Ken,>>>>> Who owns your clone's code?>>>> >>>> The owner of the code is the person who contracts with>>>> me -- with the>>>> provision that the owner gives me an unlimited license>>>> to re-use all>>>> or part of that code in the web sites I develop in the>>>> future.>>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely,>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------->>>> WebDNA Professional Training and Development Center>>>> 175 J. Llorente Street +63 (32) 255-6921>>>> Cebu City, Cebu 6000 kengrome@webdna.net>>>> Philippines http://www.webdna.net>>>> --------------------------------------------------->>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed>>>> to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to:>>>> >>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at:>>>> http://search.smithmicro.com/>>> >>> -->>> >>> Andrew Simpson>>> Web Development>>> >>> Blackpepper Interactive Ltd>>> PO Box 99805>>> Newmarket>>> >>> 4 Clayton Street>>> Newmarket>>> Auckland>>> >>> Ph: +64 9 520-6281>>> Mob: 0272733270>>> Fax: +64 9 524-1849>>> >>> http://www.blackpepper.co.nz>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to:>>> >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>>> >>> Web Archive of this list is at:>>> http://search.smithmicro.com/>> >> >> >> Sincerely,>> Kenneth Grome>> >> --------------------------------------------------->> WebDNA Professional Training and Development Center>> 175 J. Llorente Street +63 (32) 255-6921>> Cebu City, Cebu 6000 kengrome@webdna.net>> Philippines http://www.webdna.net>> --------------------------------------------------->> >> ------------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to:>> >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>> >> Web Archive of this list is at:>> http://search.smithmicro.com/> > -------------------------------------------> http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com> (208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656> > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/> -------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: Who owns the code? (Andrew Simpson 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Clayton Randall 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Tim Robinson 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Dan Strong 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Dan Strong 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Kenneth Grome 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Bob Minor 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Andrew Simpson 2002)
Who owns the code? (Kenneth Grome 2002)

There could be a problem here.... if your copyrighted code is describing acalendar event, then you're OK. If however, that describes a dried fruit,then you'll hear from my lawyer....-- Tim RobinsonIDFK Web Developmentstim@idfk.com.au> From: Dan Strong > Reply-To: (WebCatalog Talk)> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 21:31:21> To: (WebCatalog Talk)> Subject: Re: Who owns the code?> > [date]> > ^^^^^^> > Above code (c) 2002 Strong Graphic Design (R). ALL RIGHTS> RESERVED. Please make all royalty checks out to SGD. Thank> you.> > -Dan> > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:28:06> Kenneth Grome wrote:>> Cute comparison, but not quite the same of course ... :)>> >> Intelligent webdna programmers always use snippets of>> their previous code in new projects. Sometimes they>> begin with the entire code base of a previous project,>> then they modify it to fit a new project. To do this>> legally with code you have already sold to someone else>> requires a license to re-use that code -- and to retain>> the ownership of any modifications or derivatives of that>> code.>> >> Of course it can be done the other way as well, simply by>> retaining ownership yourself, then giving the customer>> the license to use it on one or more web sites. But most>> customers expect to own the code since they are the ones>> paying for it, thus my reason for selling the ownership>> and retaining a license to re-use it in future projects.>> >> It seems like the last thing any webdna consultant would>> ever want to do is to sell the rights to the code they>> write for a customer without retaining the right to>> re-use that code. Given the fact that the same snippets>> of code can be modified for use in many future sites, why>> would you cut your own throat by giving away your right>> to re-use any code you have written?>> >> Anyways, this whole issue is one of those things that is>> doubtful to ever bother you unless you create a great>> site and then go out and try to sell it to the>> competitors of your original customer -- which would>> obviously be a very unethical thing to do -- but I have>> heard of people doing just that.>> >> If you give encrypted copies of your templates to your>> clients to be used on their web servers, then no one will>> ever actually see the code you have written, even if they>> manage to download the templates via FTP or copy them via>> some other method, because they are encrypted.>> >> Only the 'big' clients ever ask about this issue anyways,>> or at least that has been my experience. The rest seem>> more concerned about getting their sites up and running>> ASAP ... :)>> >> >> >>> Same sort of thing happened to me last week.>>> >>> I went into the local BMW Dealer and asked the rep about>>> the price of an M3>>> - guy said he could do me a good deal as long as he and>>> any of his mates>>> could take it out for a spin whenever he felt like it.>>> >>> ...>>> >>> On 7/8/02 3:13 PM, Kenneth Grome >>> wrote:>>> >>>>> Ken,>>>>> Who owns your clone's code?>>>> >>>> The owner of the code is the person who contracts with>>>> me -- with the>>>> provision that the owner gives me an unlimited license>>>> to re-use all>>>> or part of that code in the web sites I develop in the>>>> future.>>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely,>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------->>>> WebDNA Professional Training and Development Center>>>> 175 J. Llorente Street +63 (32) 255-6921>>>> Cebu City, Cebu 6000 kengrome@webdna.net>>>> Philippines http://www.webdna.net>>>> --------------------------------------------------->>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed>>>> to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to:>>>> >>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at:>>>> http://search.smithmicro.com/>>> >>> -->>> >>> Andrew Simpson>>> Web Development>>> >>> Blackpepper Interactive Ltd>>> PO Box 99805>>> Newmarket>>> >>> 4 Clayton Street>>> Newmarket>>> Auckland>>> >>> Ph: +64 9 520-6281>>> Mob: 0272733270>>> Fax: +64 9 524-1849>>> >>> http://www.blackpepper.co.nz>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to:>>> >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>>> >>> Web Archive of this list is at:>>> http://search.smithmicro.com/>> >> >> >> Sincerely,>> Kenneth Grome>> >> --------------------------------------------------->> WebDNA Professional Training and Development Center>> 175 J. Llorente Street +63 (32) 255-6921>> Cebu City, Cebu 6000 kengrome@webdna.net>> Philippines http://www.webdna.net>> --------------------------------------------------->> >> ------------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to:>> >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>> >> Web Archive of this list is at:>> http://search.smithmicro.com/> > -------------------------------------------> http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com> (208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656> > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/> -------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Tim Robinson

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