Re: [WebDNA] Help with STMP Setup using Authentication with Google
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texte = 861 Cool. I=E2=80=99ll get back on you when I have more=E2=80=A6 Andrew Burger > On Dec 22, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Donovan Brooke
wrote: >=20 > Google "smtp telnet" test.=20 >=20 > Do your test with the server you are using, via the terminal.=20 >=20 > D. Brooke Mobile >=20 >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: >>=20 >> Of course. It's a possibility with a new release of a relatively new = OS. Do you (or anyone) have any feedback or knowledge of being able to = get SMTP Authentication to work with Google Apps at all? Or other = widely implemented cloud-hosted email services? Yes - I do acknowledge = the unique weirdness sometimes associated with Google Services in = general compared to other standard email approaches. >>=20 >> The new server machine is powered Server (under-the-hood Apache 2.2), = which ran and is practically unchanged from El Capitan (OS X 10.11), at = least in respect to the Website services=E2=80=A6 Do you happen to know = if sendmail / WebDNA 8 has similar problems under El Capitan? It would = be really helpful if anyone could verify that something like this has = worked before going down the route of starting up a whole new test = server. I=E2=80=99d also prefer not to go too far back on the OS = version, as that=E2=80=99s one of the major reasons for the server = migration to begin with=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> Donovan - Definitely appreciate the help and time you=E2=80=99ve put = in so far and any additional insight you are willing to give. Keeping = my fingers crossed... >>=20 >> If anyone else has any experience with running WebDNA 8 on relatively = recent OS X/macOS versions, please feel free to pipe in too. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks again! >>=20 >>=20 >> Andrew Burger >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Andrew,=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m sure it helps, but I haven=E2=80=99t worked on this OS = (sierra) in a server capacity. >>> This is where I=E2=80=99ll have to pass off to someone else :-) >>>=20 >>> (My hunch is that the problem is something to do with that OS) >>>=20 >>> Donovan >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> We are moving from a machine with OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion) to = macOS 10.12.2 (Sierra - latest public build). WebDNA is using Server = Unlimited license on both. Partly why we are going through this=E2=80=A6 >>>>=20 >>>> Here=E2=80=99s some quick information from WebCatalog to help you = better understand our environment. >>>>=20 >>>> Mountain Lion Statistics (Old machine): >>>>=20 >>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working = Unlimited mode >>>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy >>>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains >>>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited = databases at one time >>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS = X Apache Module version 6.2 >>>>=20 >>>> Sierra Statistics (New machine): >>>>=20 >>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working = Unlimited mode >>>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy >>>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains >>>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited = databases at one time >>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS = X Apache Module version 8.2 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Hope that helps! >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Andrew Burger >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is this a different operating system than the 6 server? If so, = what OS and version? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is this the latest WebDNA Server 8 version? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Donovan >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi Donovan. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Excellent question. Not using server sandboxes in this case = (because this is not a shared server situation). We are using a = dedicated physical server for this. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> We can do whatever is needed on the server in every respect, with = the exception of what I=E2=80=99m trying to pass through Google Apps = with Auth/SMTP, etc. Ideally, I=E2=80=99d prefer not configure / = troubleshoot / secure-harden mail services there (since that is a real = pain) if possible. But, that being said, I=E2=80=99ll do what I have to = do. ;-) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Also, thanks for the note regarding bug reporting. Now that I = have the info from email notices, I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and report that. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Andrew Burger >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> One common mistake (I still make this mistake sometimes)=E2=80=A6=20= >>>>>>> Are you using WebDNA Server SandBoxes by chance? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Regarding bug reporting, there is a link at the bottom of this = email. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> Donovan >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Objective: >>>>>>>> We are currently in the middle of migrating our production = WebDNA 6 server to a new one with WebDNA 8. The remaining piece left to = get working is having WebDNA send out email message via the sendmail = command. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Current Setup: >>>>>>>> The current production WebDNA 6 server works via localhost = (although exactly how that works is a little bit of a mystery to me = since we haven=E2=80=99t done any additional mail services setup on that = server but anyway=E2=80=A6). More to the point, I=E2=80=99ve been able = to get the current production WebDNA server to work, as long as the = proper SPF record was in place. So we have a working routine in = production now. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Steps Taken to Troubleshoot: >>>>>>>> With the new WebDNA 8 server, I=E2=80=99ve been unable to get = the sendmail command to send out a valid message. I have done = verifications through WebDNA Email Folders. EmailCompleted have properly = processed the message and confirmed that it =E2=80=9Csent=E2=80=9D in = the Email log file. However, no message appears to go through to the = recipients. I=E2=80=99ve even gone through an additional setup of = setting up the G Suite SMTP relay server and whitelisted the originating = IP address of the new WebDNA server inside the Relay settings and = whitelisting the IP for emails in Google Admin for regular SMTP (in = addition to the proper SPF record like I did for the currently working = server). I haven=E2=80=99t gotten any SPF passes or rejections though, = so I=E2=80=99m not even entirely confident that it=E2=80=99s even = getting to Google servers yet for processing. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Has anyone else had any luck getting email authentication = working with Google Apps email? I would truly appreciate anyone that = has some insight from anyone that=E2=80=99s got this to work or whether = we can confirm if something has changed with the mechanism used for the = sendmail command between WebDNA 6 or 8... >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Sorry if that=E2=80=99s a lot of information up front but = wanted to explain what I=E2=80=99m trying to accomplish and the steps = taken so far to generate some useful feedback. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thanks so much and happy holidays! >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Andrew Burger >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> PS - Pleased to meet all of you. Just subscribed to the list = and looking forward to getting to learn from the rest of you. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> PPS - Also uncovered an issue in the WebCatalog Email Setup = preferences in WebDNA Server 8. It doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be = possible to uncheck STMP Auth and Require TLS through the web interface = once you enable it. Had to manually force the param value back to 0 = through a WebDNA call to switch back and test =E2=80=98localhost' = settings. Is there a proper way to report bugs like this or is already = a known issue?--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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861 Cool. I=E2=80=99ll get back on you when I have more=E2=80=A6 Andrew Burger > On Dec 22, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >=20 > Google "smtp telnet" test.=20 >=20 > Do your test with the server you are using, via the terminal.=20 >=20 > D. Brooke Mobile >=20 >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: >>=20 >> Of course. It's a possibility with a new release of a relatively new = OS. Do you (or anyone) have any feedback or knowledge of being able to = get SMTP Authentication to work with Google Apps at all? Or other = widely implemented cloud-hosted email services? Yes - I do acknowledge = the unique weirdness sometimes associated with Google Services in = general compared to other standard email approaches. >>=20 >> The new server machine is powered Server (under-the-hood Apache 2.2), = which ran and is practically unchanged from El Capitan (OS X 10.11), at = least in respect to the Website services=E2=80=A6 Do you happen to know = if sendmail / WebDNA 8 has similar problems under El Capitan? It would = be really helpful if anyone could verify that something like this has = worked before going down the route of starting up a whole new test = server. I=E2=80=99d also prefer not to go too far back on the OS = version, as that=E2=80=99s one of the major reasons for the server = migration to begin with=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> Donovan - Definitely appreciate the help and time you=E2=80=99ve put = in so far and any additional insight you are willing to give. Keeping = my fingers crossed... >>=20 >> If anyone else has any experience with running WebDNA 8 on relatively = recent OS X/macOS versions, please feel free to pipe in too. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks again! >>=20 >>=20 >> Andrew Burger >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Andrew,=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m sure it helps, but I haven=E2=80=99t worked on this OS = (sierra) in a server capacity. >>> This is where I=E2=80=99ll have to pass off to someone else :-) >>>=20 >>> (My hunch is that the problem is something to do with that OS) >>>=20 >>> Donovan >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> We are moving from a machine with OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion) to = macOS 10.12.2 (Sierra - latest public build). WebDNA is using Server = Unlimited license on both. Partly why we are going through this=E2=80=A6 >>>>=20 >>>> Here=E2=80=99s some quick information from WebCatalog to help you = better understand our environment. >>>>=20 >>>> Mountain Lion Statistics (Old machine): >>>>=20 >>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working = Unlimited mode >>>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy >>>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains >>>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited = databases at one time >>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS = X Apache Module version 6.2 >>>>=20 >>>> Sierra Statistics (New machine): >>>>=20 >>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working = Unlimited mode >>>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy >>>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains >>>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited = databases at one time >>>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS = X Apache Module version 8.2 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Hope that helps! >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Andrew Burger >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is this a different operating system than the 6 server? If so, = what OS and version? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is this the latest WebDNA Server 8 version? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Donovan >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi Donovan. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Excellent question. Not using server sandboxes in this case = (because this is not a shared server situation). We are using a = dedicated physical server for this. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> We can do whatever is needed on the server in every respect, with = the exception of what I=E2=80=99m trying to pass through Google Apps = with Auth/SMTP, etc. Ideally, I=E2=80=99d prefer not configure / = troubleshoot / secure-harden mail services there (since that is a real = pain) if possible. But, that being said, I=E2=80=99ll do what I have to = do. ;-) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Also, thanks for the note regarding bug reporting. Now that I = have the info from email notices, I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and report that. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Andrew Burger >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> One common mistake (I still make this mistake sometimes)=E2=80=A6=20= >>>>>>> Are you using WebDNA Server SandBoxes by chance? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Regarding bug reporting, there is a link at the bottom of this = email. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> Donovan >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Objective: >>>>>>>> We are currently in the middle of migrating our production = WebDNA 6 server to a new one with WebDNA 8. The remaining piece left to = get working is having WebDNA send out email message via the sendmail = command. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Current Setup: >>>>>>>> The current production WebDNA 6 server works via localhost = (although exactly how that works is a little bit of a mystery to me = since we haven=E2=80=99t done any additional mail services setup on that = server but anyway=E2=80=A6). More to the point, I=E2=80=99ve been able = to get the current production WebDNA server to work, as long as the = proper SPF record was in place. So we have a working routine in = production now. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Steps Taken to Troubleshoot: >>>>>>>> With the new WebDNA 8 server, I=E2=80=99ve been unable to get = the sendmail command to send out a valid message. I have done = verifications through WebDNA Email Folders. EmailCompleted have properly = processed the message and confirmed that it =E2=80=9Csent=E2=80=9D in = the Email log file. However, no message appears to go through to the = recipients. I=E2=80=99ve even gone through an additional setup of = setting up the G Suite SMTP relay server and whitelisted the originating = IP address of the new WebDNA server inside the Relay settings and = whitelisting the IP for emails in Google Admin for regular SMTP (in = addition to the proper SPF record like I did for the currently working = server). I haven=E2=80=99t gotten any SPF passes or rejections though, = so I=E2=80=99m not even entirely confident that it=E2=80=99s even = getting to Google servers yet for processing. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Has anyone else had any luck getting email authentication = working with Google Apps email? I would truly appreciate anyone that = has some insight from anyone that=E2=80=99s got this to work or whether = we can confirm if something has changed with the mechanism used for the = sendmail command between WebDNA 6 or 8... >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Sorry if that=E2=80=99s a lot of information up front but = wanted to explain what I=E2=80=99m trying to accomplish and the steps = taken so far to generate some useful feedback. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thanks so much and happy holidays! >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Andrew Burger >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> PS - Pleased to meet all of you. Just subscribed to the list = and looking forward to getting to learn from the rest of you. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> PPS - Also uncovered an issue in the WebCatalog Email Setup = preferences in WebDNA Server 8. It doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be = possible to uncheck STMP Auth and Require TLS through the web interface = once you enable it. Had to manually force the param value back to 0 = through a WebDNA call to switch back and test =E2=80=98localhost' = settings. Is there a proper way to report bugs like this or is already = a known issue?--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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