Re: [WebDNA] Help with STMP Setup using Authentication with Google
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texte = 862 Hi Tom, Yes - I was aware of this setting but I tried this anyway. No success. = You usually get an email message if an insecure app tries to access your = account like that. Also tried the UnlockCapta option too to see if that = was involved in blocking somehow. I=E2=80=99m looking into the SMTP authentication handshake like Donovan = suggested. The more I think about it, the more that I=E2=80=99m more = inclined to think it has something to do with the SSL communication with = certificates over port 465 (587 doesn=E2=80=99t seems to work even = though it=E2=80=99s an option), the particular way in which Google = accepts user logins & application passwords in an SMTP session, or = perhaps even the MX / security settings associated on Google=E2=80=99s = end. I=E2=80=99m starting there first and then circle back to WebDNA = once I eliminate a bunch of those variables. A question on the implementation for the Email Setup (WebDNA = Preferences). For the checkbox that says Require TLS, I assume that = means it will try to communicate through an encrypted TLS connection = (and in my case, over port 465) when checked. However, if the TLS box = unchecked, put in the User Authentication Information, and specify port = 465, what type of connection is used? Does it initiate an unencrypted = connection through that specified port (like you would typically do with = say=E2=80=A6 port 25=E2=80=A6) or does it open an encrypted connection = over SSL to port 465? It would be helpful to understand the logic of = how it tries to connect when NOT requiring TLS. Thanks again guys! Andrew Burger > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tom Duke
wrote: >=20 > Andrew, >=20 > Hi - if you're trying to deal with Gmail / Google Apps maybe you have = to "allow less secure access" to your account: >=20 > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=3Den >=20 > - Tom >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Digital Revolutionaries > 1st Floor, Castleriver House > 14-15 Parliament Street > Temple Bar,Dublin 2 > Ireland > ---------------------------------------------- > [t]: + 353 1 4403907 > [e]: > [w]: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > On 22 December 2016 at 01:27, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Google "smtp telnet" test. >=20 > Do your test with the server you are using, via the terminal. >=20 > D. Brooke Mobile >=20 > > On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: > > > > Of course. It's a possibility with a new release of a relatively new = OS. Do you (or anyone) have any feedback or knowledge of being able to = get SMTP Authentication to work with Google Apps at all? Or other = widely implemented cloud-hosted email services? Yes - I do acknowledge = the unique weirdness sometimes associated with Google Services in = general compared to other standard email approaches. > > > > The new server machine is powered Server (under-the-hood Apache = 2.2), which ran and is practically unchanged from El Capitan (OS X = 10.11), at least in respect to the Website services=E2=80=A6 Do you = happen to know if sendmail / WebDNA 8 has similar problems under El = Capitan? It would be really helpful if anyone could verify that = something like this has worked before going down the route of starting = up a whole new test server. I=E2=80=99d also prefer not to go too far = back on the OS version, as that=E2=80=99s one of the major reasons for = the server migration to begin with=E2=80=A6 > > > > Donovan - Definitely appreciate the help and time you=E2=80=99ve put = in so far and any additional insight you are willing to give. Keeping = my fingers crossed... > > > > If anyone else has any experience with running WebDNA 8 on = relatively recent OS X/macOS versions, please feel free to pipe in too. > > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > Andrew Burger > > > > > > > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: > >> > >> Hi Andrew, > >> I=E2=80=99m sure it helps, but I haven=E2=80=99t worked on this OS = (sierra) in a server capacity. > >> This is where I=E2=80=99ll have to pass off to someone else :-) > >> > >> (My hunch is that the problem is something to do with that OS) > >> > >> Donovan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: > >>> > >>> We are moving from a machine with OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion) to = macOS 10.12.2 (Sierra - latest public build). WebDNA is using Server = Unlimited license on both. Partly why we are going through this=E2=80=A6 > >>> > >>> Here=E2=80=99s some quick information from WebCatalog to help you = better understand our environment. > >>> > >>> Mountain Lion Statistics (Old machine): > >>> > >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working = Unlimited mode > >>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy > >>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains > >>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited = databases at one time > >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS = X Apache Module version 6.2 > >>> > >>> Sierra Statistics (New machine): > >>> > >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working = Unlimited mode > >>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy > >>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains > >>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited = databases at one time > >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS = X Apache Module version 8.2 > >>> > >>> > >>> Hope that helps! > >>> > >>> > >>> Andrew Burger > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Is this a different operating system than the 6 server? If so, = what OS and version? > >>>> > >>>> Is this the latest WebDNA Server 8 version? > >>>> > >>>> Donovan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Donovan. > >>>>> > >>>>> Excellent question. Not using server sandboxes in this case = (because this is not a shared server situation). We are using a = dedicated physical server for this. > >>>>> > >>>>> We can do whatever is needed on the server in every respect, = with the exception of what I=E2=80=99m trying to pass through Google = Apps with Auth/SMTP, etc. Ideally, I=E2=80=99d prefer not configure / = troubleshoot / secure-harden mail services there (since that is a real = pain) if possible. But, that being said, I=E2=80=99ll do what I have to = do. ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, thanks for the note regarding bug reporting. Now that I = have the info from email notices, I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and report that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Andrew Burger > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One common mistake (I still make this mistake sometimes)=E2=80=A6= > >>>>>> Are you using WebDNA Server SandBoxes by chance? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regarding bug reporting, there is a link at the bottom of this = email. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>> Donovan > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Objective: > >>>>>>> We are currently in the middle of migrating our production = WebDNA 6 server to a new one with WebDNA 8. The remaining piece left to = get working is having WebDNA send out email message via the sendmail = command. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Current Setup: > >>>>>>> The current production WebDNA 6 server works via localhost = (although exactly how that works is a little bit of a mystery to me = since we haven=E2=80=99t done any additional mail services setup on that = server but anyway=E2=80=A6). More to the point, I=E2=80=99ve been able = to get the current production WebDNA server to work, as long as the = proper SPF record was in place. So we have a working routine in = production now. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Steps Taken to Troubleshoot: > >>>>>>> With the new WebDNA 8 server, I=E2=80=99ve been unable to get = the sendmail command to send out a valid message. I have done = verifications through WebDNA Email Folders. EmailCompleted have properly = processed the message and confirmed that it =E2=80=9Csent=E2=80=9D in = the Email log file. However, no message appears to go through to the = recipients. I=E2=80=99ve even gone through an additional setup of = setting up the G Suite SMTP relay server and whitelisted the originating = IP address of the new WebDNA server inside the Relay settings and = whitelisting the IP for emails in Google Admin for regular SMTP (in = addition to the proper SPF record like I did for the currently working = server). I haven=E2=80=99t gotten any SPF passes or rejections though, = so I=E2=80=99m not even entirely confident that it=E2=80=99s even = getting to Google servers yet for processing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Has anyone else had any luck getting email authentication = working with Google Apps email? I would truly appreciate anyone that = has some insight from anyone that=E2=80=99s got this to work or whether = we can confirm if something has changed with the mechanism used for the = sendmail command between WebDNA 6 or 8... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sorry if that=E2=80=99s a lot of information up front but = wanted to explain what I=E2=80=99m trying to accomplish and the steps = taken so far to generate some useful feedback. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks so much and happy holidays! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Andrew Burger > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> PS - Pleased to meet all of you. Just subscribed to the list = and looking forward to getting to learn from the rest of you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> PPS - Also uncovered an issue in the WebCatalog Email Setup = preferences in WebDNA Server 8. It doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be = possible to uncheck STMP Auth and Require TLS through the web interface = once you enable it. Had to manually force the param value back to 0 = through a WebDNA call to switch back and test =E2=80=98localhost' = settings. Is there a proper way to report bugs like this or is already = a known issue?--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>> the mailing list . > >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>> the mailing list . > >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >> the mailing list . > >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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862 Hi Tom, Yes - I was aware of this setting but I tried this anyway. No success. = You usually get an email message if an insecure app tries to access your = account like that. Also tried the UnlockCapta option too to see if that = was involved in blocking somehow. I=E2=80=99m looking into the SMTP authentication handshake like Donovan = suggested. The more I think about it, the more that I=E2=80=99m more = inclined to think it has something to do with the SSL communication with = certificates over port 465 (587 doesn=E2=80=99t seems to work even = though it=E2=80=99s an option), the particular way in which Google = accepts user logins & application passwords in an SMTP session, or = perhaps even the MX / security settings associated on Google=E2=80=99s = end. I=E2=80=99m starting there first and then circle back to WebDNA = once I eliminate a bunch of those variables. A question on the implementation for the Email Setup (WebDNA = Preferences). For the checkbox that says Require TLS, I assume that = means it will try to communicate through an encrypted TLS connection = (and in my case, over port 465) when checked. However, if the TLS box = unchecked, put in the User Authentication Information, and specify port = 465, what type of connection is used? Does it initiate an unencrypted = connection through that specified port (like you would typically do with = say=E2=80=A6 port 25=E2=80=A6) or does it open an encrypted connection = over SSL to port 465? It would be helpful to understand the logic of = how it tries to connect when NOT requiring TLS. Thanks again guys! Andrew Burger > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tom Duke wrote: >=20 > Andrew, >=20 > Hi - if you're trying to deal with Gmail / Google Apps maybe you have = to "allow less secure access" to your account: >=20 > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=3Den >=20 > - Tom >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Digital Revolutionaries > 1st Floor, Castleriver House > 14-15 Parliament Street > Temple Bar,Dublin 2 > Ireland > ---------------------------------------------- > [t]: + 353 1 4403907 > [e]: > [w]: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > On 22 December 2016 at 01:27, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Google "smtp telnet" test. >=20 > Do your test with the server you are using, via the terminal. >=20 > D. Brooke Mobile >=20 > > On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: > > > > Of course. It's a possibility with a new release of a relatively new = OS. Do you (or anyone) have any feedback or knowledge of being able to = get SMTP Authentication to work with Google Apps at all? Or other = widely implemented cloud-hosted email services? Yes - I do acknowledge = the unique weirdness sometimes associated with Google Services in = general compared to other standard email approaches. > > > > The new server machine is powered Server (under-the-hood Apache = 2.2), which ran and is practically unchanged from El Capitan (OS X = 10.11), at least in respect to the Website services=E2=80=A6 Do you = happen to know if sendmail / WebDNA 8 has similar problems under El = Capitan? It would be really helpful if anyone could verify that = something like this has worked before going down the route of starting = up a whole new test server. I=E2=80=99d also prefer not to go too far = back on the OS version, as that=E2=80=99s one of the major reasons for = the server migration to begin with=E2=80=A6 > > > > Donovan - Definitely appreciate the help and time you=E2=80=99ve put = in so far and any additional insight you are willing to give. Keeping = my fingers crossed... > > > > If anyone else has any experience with running WebDNA 8 on = relatively recent OS X/macOS versions, please feel free to pipe in too. > > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > Andrew Burger > > > > > > > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: > >> > >> Hi Andrew, > >> I=E2=80=99m sure it helps, but I haven=E2=80=99t worked on this OS = (sierra) in a server capacity. > >> This is where I=E2=80=99ll have to pass off to someone else :-) > >> > >> (My hunch is that the problem is something to do with that OS) > >> > >> Donovan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: > >>> > >>> We are moving from a machine with OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion) to = macOS 10.12.2 (Sierra - latest public build). WebDNA is using Server = Unlimited license on both. Partly why we are going through this=E2=80=A6 > >>> > >>> Here=E2=80=99s some quick information from WebCatalog to help you = better understand our environment. > >>> > >>> Mountain Lion Statistics (Old machine): > >>> > >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working = Unlimited mode > >>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy > >>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains > >>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited = databases at one time > >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS = X Apache Module version 6.2 > >>> > >>> Sierra Statistics (New machine): > >>> > >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is currently in Full-Working = Unlimited mode > >>> This serial number is licensed to run 1 copy > >>> This serial number is licensed to run Unlimited Domains > >>> This serial number is licensed to open Unlimited = databases at one time > >>> WebDNA - Enterprise Edition is running as unix-Macintosh OS = X Apache Module version 8.2 > >>> > >>> > >>> Hope that helps! > >>> > >>> > >>> Andrew Burger > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Is this a different operating system than the 6 server? If so, = what OS and version? > >>>> > >>>> Is this the latest WebDNA Server 8 version? > >>>> > >>>> Donovan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Donovan. > >>>>> > >>>>> Excellent question. Not using server sandboxes in this case = (because this is not a shared server situation). We are using a = dedicated physical server for this. > >>>>> > >>>>> We can do whatever is needed on the server in every respect, = with the exception of what I=E2=80=99m trying to pass through Google = Apps with Auth/SMTP, etc. Ideally, I=E2=80=99d prefer not configure / = troubleshoot / secure-harden mail services there (since that is a real = pain) if possible. But, that being said, I=E2=80=99ll do what I have to = do. ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, thanks for the note regarding bug reporting. Now that I = have the info from email notices, I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and report that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Andrew Burger > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Donovan Brooke = wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One common mistake (I still make this mistake sometimes)=E2=80=A6= > >>>>>> Are you using WebDNA Server SandBoxes by chance? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regarding bug reporting, there is a link at the bottom of this = email. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>> Donovan > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Andrew Burger = wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Objective: > >>>>>>> We are currently in the middle of migrating our production = WebDNA 6 server to a new one with WebDNA 8. The remaining piece left to = get working is having WebDNA send out email message via the sendmail = command. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Current Setup: > >>>>>>> The current production WebDNA 6 server works via localhost = (although exactly how that works is a little bit of a mystery to me = since we haven=E2=80=99t done any additional mail services setup on that = server but anyway=E2=80=A6). More to the point, I=E2=80=99ve been able = to get the current production WebDNA server to work, as long as the = proper SPF record was in place. So we have a working routine in = production now. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Steps Taken to Troubleshoot: > >>>>>>> With the new WebDNA 8 server, I=E2=80=99ve been unable to get = the sendmail command to send out a valid message. I have done = verifications through WebDNA Email Folders. EmailCompleted have properly = processed the message and confirmed that it =E2=80=9Csent=E2=80=9D in = the Email log file. However, no message appears to go through to the = recipients. I=E2=80=99ve even gone through an additional setup of = setting up the G Suite SMTP relay server and whitelisted the originating = IP address of the new WebDNA server inside the Relay settings and = whitelisting the IP for emails in Google Admin for regular SMTP (in = addition to the proper SPF record like I did for the currently working = server). I haven=E2=80=99t gotten any SPF passes or rejections though, = so I=E2=80=99m not even entirely confident that it=E2=80=99s even = getting to Google servers yet for processing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Has anyone else had any luck getting email authentication = working with Google Apps email? I would truly appreciate anyone that = has some insight from anyone that=E2=80=99s got this to work or whether = we can confirm if something has changed with the mechanism used for the = sendmail command between WebDNA 6 or 8... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sorry if that=E2=80=99s a lot of information up front but = wanted to explain what I=E2=80=99m trying to accomplish and the steps = taken so far to generate some useful feedback. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks so much and happy holidays! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Andrew Burger > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> PS - Pleased to meet all of you. Just subscribed to the list = and looking forward to getting to learn from the rest of you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> PPS - Also uncovered an issue in the WebCatalog Email Setup = preferences in WebDNA Server 8. It doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be = possible to uncheck STMP Auth and Require TLS through the web interface = once you enable it. Had to manually force the param value back to 0 = through a WebDNA call to switch back and test =E2=80=98localhost' = settings. Is there a proper way to report bugs like this or is already = a known issue?--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>>> the mailing list . > >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>>> the mailing list . > >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >>> the mailing list . > >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >> the mailing list . > >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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