RE: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ Slow speeds

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texte = 2401 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D56F95.FF62E860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah =E2=80=A6..going off topic here =E2=80=A6.I am just so grateful = that Chris and WebDNA finally rolled out the Win version which works = great in our knack of woods here where the market is heavily reliant on = MS products and servers. Companies here gets huge discounts from MS for = adopting their software right up to through the government chain. = Personally, WebDNA beats .Net big time and even though VPS hosting cost = more for Win as compared to Linux =E2=80=A6.it is till way cheaper than = going at it alone. =20 My hats off to Chris for keeping WebDNA alive =E2=80=A6great respect for = the man. Chris =E2=80=A6should the going get tough, sound off and I am = sure the band of brothers and lets not forget sisters too =E2=80=A6will = not let you walk alone. =20 Cheers Terry Nair =20 From: Stuart Tremain =20 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 07:10 AM To: WebDNA Talk List Subject: Re: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ = Slow speeds =20 I know this is about hosting, but the biggest reason I struggle with = products like Toolset.com (which has a cumbersome = interface that kinda does what WebDNA can but which sucks because = they=E2=80=99re trying to do it with PHP), is because it makes no sense = to build a website with an admin backend from scratch. The primary = components of every website should be pre-built packaged stuff that gets = the CSS treatment. That gets the entire site - with a back end - up and = running in a few minutes. Everyone should have a look at the new eCommerce module that Christophe = has available Kind regards =20 Stuart Tremain Pharoah Lane Software AUSTRALIA webdna@plsoftware.com.au =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On 20 Sep 2019, at 02:13, Patrick McCormick > wrote: =20 I=E2=80=99ve been using futurehosting.com = after doing a ton of searching. Prices are reasonable but the primary = advantage is a ticketed support system with under 5 minute response by = qualified people. =20 I run a large pile of WordPress websites and other things. The = ecosystem for software used by most hosting providers is really = modularized and reliable. They use things like Softaculo for bundling = software packages and then there are intuitive interfaces for = installation and management. No reason that WebDNA isn=E2=80=99t = already packaged as such. It should already have a free version = available among the rest of the internet world. =20 Also - once bundles that way, it becomes immediately available for lots = of additional situations. Docker.com comes to = mind. Imagine only having to send a single link to a config file and = anyone can be running a duplicate instance of whatever complicated = arrangement you might have built onto a complicated server. =20 The rest of the web world has moved way beyond WebDNA, but WebDNA does = something so much better than anything else, I believe it=E2=80=99s just = a matter of packaging WebDNA to make it a tremendous success. The = entire WebDNA language could operate seamlessly within a WordPress = installation. Yes - you do need to understand WordPress, but if I can = set up a WordPress site quickly with a pre-built theme, then use a = WebDNA plugin version to build the custom parts of the site & even = interact with the WordPress database dynamically, that is exactly what = the future will eventually look like. =20 I know this is about hosting, but the biggest reason I struggle with = products like Toolset.com (which has a cumbersome = interface that kinda does what WebDNA can but which sucks because = they=E2=80=99re trying to do it with PHP), is because it makes no sense = to build a website with an admin backend from scratch. The primary = components of every website should be pre-built packaged stuff that gets = the CSS treatment. That gets the entire site - with a back end - up and = running in a few minutes. =20 Than, once particular functions unique to that business and its site are = defined, build those in WebDNA. IT would have a staggering effect on = the entire internet if there were any other web language than PHP. PHP = is a giant drag on the advancement of humanity. It also need an = entirely separate database system which comes with its own separate = programming language. WordPress got big because there was simply no = other reasonable way to build websites in one=E2=80=99s own lifetime = without it. =20 But, since that infrastructure is already fast & reliable, why reinvent = the wheel? The only time you need to step out of the basic construct of = what a thing like WordPress provides is when you need to create some = non-standard function on a website for a particular business situation. = If the website needs to display & track pizza deliveries, enter WebDNA. = In the back end of WordPress, WebDNA would provide an interface for = creating the stuff needed & that interface would provide hooks into the = WordPress data so how and where WebDNA data lived could be handled on = the fly. =20 =20 This world would mean that I could grab hosting from a fully managed = provider, or just fire a docker image onto a google instance and be up = and running with WordPress. Next, I would install the WebDNA plugin and = connect the licensing to the WebDNA server and build the custom stuff. =20 I would never again worry about a physical server. Everything currently = on the cloud is capable of running WebDNA, provided the WebDNA guys get = someone who knows how to bundle and package it so it plays correctly = with the existing infrastructure of this stuff. =20 The entire billing system I use for customers is on the same cloud based = server I use. Monthly revenue automatically flows into a PayPal = account. I don=E2=80=99t have to produce a single invoice for hosting = ever and if anyone=E2=80=99s credit card fails, they get auto notified = what day their site will go down unless its rectified. All support = tickets flow directly to the 24x7 staff because its a fully managed = server. =20 C=E2=80=99mom WebDNA guys, the water=E2=80=99s fine in this here pool! = Jump in!! =20 =20 On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Brian Harrington > wrote: =20 LOL u really in deep when the webdna guys don't know what ya (you lol) = saying... LOL (Laughing Out Loud) =20 On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:27 AM Scott @ Itsula > wrote: Yh. Yes. Slang really, apologies. =20 IaaS.=20 Infrastructure as a Service.=20 Renting servers up to and including a managed and patched OS (operating = system, Ubuntu for example). =20 PaaS.=20 Platform as a Service.=20 Renting servers up to and including a managed application on top of a = managed OS. The application in this example would be a WebDNA instance. =20 PoPs. Points of presence. Locations where the IaaS or PaaS are served = from, for example London, Sydney. =20 Microsoft Azure, IBM SoftLayer, Amazon Web Services are all examples of = the larger IaaS/PaaS providers. =20 VPS are spins on either a shared or dedicated server. IaaS /PaaS brings = all of the other toys to the party. =20 One other common global layer is SaaS, Software as a service. This is = where typically a web-enabled application is served with a = subscription-based revenue model. =20 Hope you're ok Ken. We've not met, but you don't seem all that happy in = your written tone to date. Chin up, chap, we=E2=80=99re all on the same = (non ASP/PHP) side here surely! =20 Regards, Scott =20 =20 =20 From: WebDNA Solutions =20 Sent: 18 September 2019 20:30 Cc: talk@webdna.us =20 Subject: Re: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ = Slow speeds =20 > Yh, I have to agree with the use of IaaS. >=20 > I would be happy to put together a talklist agreed WebDNA > PaaS with global PoPs if that's of interest to many? Yh? IaaS? PaaS? PoPs? Right. I have no idea what the h*** you're talking about. Maybe that's a good thing. Who knows?=20 Regards, Kenneth Grome WebDNA Solutions http://www.webdnasolutions.com =20 Urgent/Emergency Phone: (228) 222-2917 Website, Database, Network, and Communication Systems --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us =20 To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us = =20 archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us =20 --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us =20 =20 --=20 Brian Harrington Auto Glass Xpress 2655 Millersport Hwy. 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Yeah = =E2=80=A6..going off topic here =E2=80=A6.I am just so grateful that = Chris and WebDNA finally rolled out the Win version which works great in = our knack of woods here where the market is heavily reliant on MS = products and servers. Companies here gets huge discounts from MS for = adopting their software right up to through the government chain. = Personally, WebDNA beats .Net big time and even though VPS hosting cost = more for Win as compared to Linux =E2=80=A6.it is till way cheaper than = going at it alone.

 

My hats off = to Chris for keeping WebDNA alive =E2=80=A6great respect for the man. = Chris =E2=80=A6should the going get tough, sound off and I am sure the = band of brothers and lets not forget sisters too =E2=80=A6will not let = you walk alone.

 

Cheers Terry = Nair

 

From:<= /b> = Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au>
Sent: Friday, = September 20, 2019 07:10 AM
To: WebDNA Talk List = <talk@webdna.us>
Subject: Re: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA = server not running /Template ERROR/ Slow = speeds

 

I know this is about hosting, but the biggest reason I = struggle with products like Toolset.com (which has a = cumbersome interface that kinda does what WebDNA can but which sucks = because they=E2=80=99re trying to do it with PHP), is because it makes = no sense to build a website with an admin backend from scratch. =  The primary components of every website should be pre-built = packaged stuff that gets the CSS treatment.  That gets the entire = site - with a back end - up and running in a few = minutes.



Everyone should have a = look at the new eCommerce module that Christophe has = available



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Kind = regards

 

Stuart = Tremain

Pharoah Lane = Software

AUSTRALIA

 

 

 

 

 



On 20 Sep 2019, at 02:13, Patrick McCormick <duganmccormick@gmail.com>= wrote:

 

I=E2=80=99ve been using futurehosting.com after doing a = ton of searching.  Prices are reasonable but the primary advantage = is a ticketed support system with under 5 minute response by qualified = people.

 

I = run a large pile of WordPress websites and other things.  The = ecosystem for software used by most hosting providers is really = modularized and reliable.  They use things like Softaculo for = bundling software packages and then there are intuitive interfaces for = installation and management.  No reason that WebDNA isn=E2=80=99t = already packaged as such.  It should already have a free version = available among the rest of the internet = world.

 

Also - once bundles that way, it becomes immediately = available for lots of additional situations.  Docker.com comes to mind. =  Imagine only having to send a single link to a config file and = anyone can be running a duplicate instance of whatever complicated = arrangement you might have built onto a complicated = server.

 

The rest of the web world has moved way beyond WebDNA, = but WebDNA does something so much better than anything else, I believe = it=E2=80=99s just a matter of packaging WebDNA to make it a tremendous = success.  The entire WebDNA language could operate seamlessly = within a WordPress installation.  Yes - you do need to understand = WordPress, but if I can set up a WordPress site quickly with a pre-built = theme, then use a WebDNA plugin version to build the custom parts of the = site & even interact with the WordPress database dynamically, that = is exactly what the future will eventually look = like.

 

I = know this is about hosting, but the biggest reason I struggle with = products like Toolset.com (which has a = cumbersome interface that kinda does what WebDNA can but which sucks = because they=E2=80=99re trying to do it with PHP), is because it makes = no sense to build a website with an admin backend from scratch. =  The primary components of every website should be pre-built = packaged stuff that gets the CSS treatment.  That gets the entire = site - with a back end - up and running in a few = minutes.

 

Than, once particular functions unique to that = business and its site are defined, build those in WebDNA.  IT would = have a staggering effect on the entire internet if there were any other = web language than PHP.  PHP is a giant drag on the advancement of = humanity.  It also need an entirely separate database system which = comes with its own separate programming language.  WordPress got = big because there was simply no other reasonable way to build websites = in one=E2=80=99s own lifetime without it.

 

But, since that infrastructure is already fast & = reliable, why reinvent the wheel?  The only time you need to step = out of the basic construct of what a thing like WordPress provides is = when you need to create some non-standard function on a website for a = particular business situation.  If the website needs to display = & track pizza deliveries, enter WebDNA.  In the back end of = WordPress, WebDNA would provide an interface for creating the stuff = needed & that interface would provide hooks into the WordPress data = so how and where WebDNA data lived could be handled on the fly. =  

 

This world would mean that I could grab hosting from a = fully managed provider, or just fire a docker image onto a google = instance and be up and running with WordPress.  Next, I would = install the WebDNA plugin and connect the licensing to the WebDNA server = and build the custom stuff.

 

I = would never again worry about a physical server.  Everything = currently on the cloud is capable of running WebDNA, provided the WebDNA = guys get someone who knows how to bundle and package it so it plays = correctly with the existing infrastructure of this = stuff.

 

The entire billing system I use for customers is on = the same cloud based server I use.  Monthly revenue automatically = flows into a PayPal account.  I don=E2=80=99t have to produce a = single invoice for hosting ever and if anyone=E2=80=99s credit card = fails, they get auto notified what day their site will go down unless = its rectified.  All support tickets flow directly to the 24x7 staff = because its a fully managed server.

 

C=E2=80=99mom WebDNA guys, the water=E2=80=99s fine in = this here pool!  Jump in!!

 

 



On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> = wrote:

 

LOL u really in deep when the webdna guys don't know = what ya (you lol) saying... LOL (Laughing Out = Loud)

 

On = Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:27 AM Scott @ Itsula <scott@itsula.co.uk> = wrote:

Yh. Yes. Slang really, = apologies.

 

IaaS. =

Infrastructure as a Service.

Renting = servers up to and including a managed and patched OS (operating system, = Ubuntu for example).

 

PaaS. =

Platform as a Service.

Renting = servers up to and including a managed application on top of a managed = OS.

The = application in this example would be a WebDNA = instance.

 

PoPs. = Points of presence. Locations where the IaaS or PaaS are served from, = for example London, Sydney.

 

Microsoft Azure, IBM SoftLayer, Amazon Web Services are all = examples of the larger IaaS/PaaS providers.

 

VPS are = spins on either a shared or dedicated server. IaaS /PaaS brings all of = the other toys to the party.

 

One = other common global layer is SaaS, Software as a service. This is where = typically a web-enabled application is served with a subscription-based = revenue model.

 

Hope = you're ok Ken. We've not met, but you don't seem all that happy in your = written tone to date. Chin up, chap, we=E2=80=99re all on the same (non = ASP/PHP) side here surely!

 

Regards,

Scott

 

 

 

From: WebDNA = Solutions
Sent: 18 September 2019 20:30
Cc: talk@webdna.us
Subject: Re: [WebDNA] = Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ Slow = speeds

 

> Yh, I have to = agree with the use of IaaS.
>
> I would be happy to put = together a talklist agreed WebDNA
> PaaS with global PoPs if = that's of interest to = many?

Yh?
IaaS?
PaaS?
PoPs?

Right.

I have = no idea what the h*** you're talking about.

Maybe that's a good = thing. Who knows?

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA = Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Urgent/Emergency = Phone: (228) 222-2917
Website, Database, Network, and Communication = Systems



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2401 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D56F95.FF62E860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah =E2=80=A6..going off topic here =E2=80=A6.I am just so grateful = that Chris and WebDNA finally rolled out the Win version which works = great in our knack of woods here where the market is heavily reliant on = MS products and servers. Companies here gets huge discounts from MS for = adopting their software right up to through the government chain. = Personally, WebDNA beats .Net big time and even though VPS hosting cost = more for Win as compared to Linux =E2=80=A6.it is till way cheaper than = going at it alone. =20 My hats off to Chris for keeping WebDNA alive =E2=80=A6great respect for = the man. Chris =E2=80=A6should the going get tough, sound off and I am = sure the band of brothers and lets not forget sisters too =E2=80=A6will = not let you walk alone. =20 Cheers Terry Nair =20 From: Stuart Tremain =20 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 07:10 AM To: WebDNA Talk List Subject: Re: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ = Slow speeds =20 I know this is about hosting, but the biggest reason I struggle with = products like Toolset.com (which has a cumbersome = interface that kinda does what WebDNA can but which sucks because = they=E2=80=99re trying to do it with PHP), is because it makes no sense = to build a website with an admin backend from scratch. The primary = components of every website should be pre-built packaged stuff that gets = the CSS treatment. That gets the entire site - with a back end - up and = running in a few minutes. Everyone should have a look at the new eCommerce module that Christophe = has available Kind regards =20 Stuart Tremain Pharoah Lane Software AUSTRALIA webdna@plsoftware.com.au =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On 20 Sep 2019, at 02:13, Patrick McCormick > wrote: =20 I=E2=80=99ve been using futurehosting.com = after doing a ton of searching. Prices are reasonable but the primary = advantage is a ticketed support system with under 5 minute response by = qualified people. =20 I run a large pile of WordPress websites and other things. The = ecosystem for software used by most hosting providers is really = modularized and reliable. They use things like Softaculo for bundling = software packages and then there are intuitive interfaces for = installation and management. No reason that WebDNA isn=E2=80=99t = already packaged as such. It should already have a free version = available among the rest of the internet world. =20 Also - once bundles that way, it becomes immediately available for lots = of additional situations. Docker.com comes to = mind. Imagine only having to send a single link to a config file and = anyone can be running a duplicate instance of whatever complicated = arrangement you might have built onto a complicated server. =20 The rest of the web world has moved way beyond WebDNA, but WebDNA does = something so much better than anything else, I believe it=E2=80=99s just = a matter of packaging WebDNA to make it a tremendous success. The = entire WebDNA language could operate seamlessly within a WordPress = installation. Yes - you do need to understand WordPress, but if I can = set up a WordPress site quickly with a pre-built theme, then use a = WebDNA plugin version to build the custom parts of the site & even = interact with the WordPress database dynamically, that is exactly what = the future will eventually look like. =20 I know this is about hosting, but the biggest reason I struggle with = products like Toolset.com (which has a cumbersome = interface that kinda does what WebDNA can but which sucks because = they=E2=80=99re trying to do it with PHP), is because it makes no sense = to build a website with an admin backend from scratch. The primary = components of every website should be pre-built packaged stuff that gets = the CSS treatment. That gets the entire site - with a back end - up and = running in a few minutes. =20 Than, once particular functions unique to that business and its site are = defined, build those in WebDNA. IT would have a staggering effect on = the entire internet if there were any other web language than PHP. PHP = is a giant drag on the advancement of humanity. It also need an = entirely separate database system which comes with its own separate = programming language. WordPress got big because there was simply no = other reasonable way to build websites in one=E2=80=99s own lifetime = without it. =20 But, since that infrastructure is already fast & reliable, why reinvent = the wheel? The only time you need to step out of the basic construct of = what a thing like WordPress provides is when you need to create some = non-standard function on a website for a particular business situation. = If the website needs to display & track pizza deliveries, enter WebDNA. = In the back end of WordPress, WebDNA would provide an interface for = creating the stuff needed & that interface would provide hooks into the = WordPress data so how and where WebDNA data lived could be handled on = the fly. =20 =20 This world would mean that I could grab hosting from a fully managed = provider, or just fire a docker image onto a google instance and be up = and running with WordPress. Next, I would install the WebDNA plugin and = connect the licensing to the WebDNA server and build the custom stuff. =20 I would never again worry about a physical server. Everything currently = on the cloud is capable of running WebDNA, provided the WebDNA guys get = someone who knows how to bundle and package it so it plays correctly = with the existing infrastructure of this stuff. =20 The entire billing system I use for customers is on the same cloud based = server I use. Monthly revenue automatically flows into a PayPal = account. I don=E2=80=99t have to produce a single invoice for hosting = ever and if anyone=E2=80=99s credit card fails, they get auto notified = what day their site will go down unless its rectified. All support = tickets flow directly to the 24x7 staff because its a fully managed = server. =20 C=E2=80=99mom WebDNA guys, the water=E2=80=99s fine in this here pool! = Jump in!! =20 =20 On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Brian Harrington > wrote: =20 LOL u really in deep when the webdna guys don't know what ya (you lol) = saying... LOL (Laughing Out Loud) =20 On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:27 AM Scott @ Itsula > wrote: Yh. Yes. Slang really, apologies. =20 IaaS.=20 Infrastructure as a Service.=20 Renting servers up to and including a managed and patched OS (operating = system, Ubuntu for example). =20 PaaS.=20 Platform as a Service.=20 Renting servers up to and including a managed application on top of a = managed OS. The application in this example would be a WebDNA instance. =20 PoPs. Points of presence. Locations where the IaaS or PaaS are served = from, for example London, Sydney. =20 Microsoft Azure, IBM SoftLayer, Amazon Web Services are all examples of = the larger IaaS/PaaS providers. =20 VPS are spins on either a shared or dedicated server. IaaS /PaaS brings = all of the other toys to the party. =20 One other common global layer is SaaS, Software as a service. This is = where typically a web-enabled application is served with a = subscription-based revenue model. =20 Hope you're ok Ken. We've not met, but you don't seem all that happy in = your written tone to date. Chin up, chap, we=E2=80=99re all on the same = (non ASP/PHP) side here surely! =20 Regards, Scott =20 =20 =20 From: WebDNA Solutions =20 Sent: 18 September 2019 20:30 Cc: talk@webdna.us =20 Subject: Re: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ = Slow speeds =20 > Yh, I have to agree with the use of IaaS. >=20 > I would be happy to put together a talklist agreed WebDNA > PaaS with global PoPs if that's of interest to many? Yh? IaaS? PaaS? PoPs? Right. I have no idea what the h*** you're talking about. Maybe that's a good thing. Who knows?=20 Regards, Kenneth Grome WebDNA Solutions http://www.webdnasolutions.com =20 Urgent/Emergency Phone: (228) 222-2917 Website, Database, Network, and Communication Systems --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us =20 To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us = =20 archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us =20 --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us =20 =20 --=20 Brian Harrington Auto Glass Xpress 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 Getzville, NY 14068 (716) 861-2029 www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com =20 --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D56F95.FF62E860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah = =E2=80=A6..going off topic here =E2=80=A6.I am just so grateful that = Chris and WebDNA finally rolled out the Win version which works great in = our knack of woods here where the market is heavily reliant on MS = products and servers. Companies here gets huge discounts from MS for = adopting their software right up to through the government chain. = Personally, WebDNA beats .Net big time and even though VPS hosting cost = more for Win as compared to Linux =E2=80=A6.it is till way cheaper than = going at it alone.

 

My hats off = to Chris for keeping WebDNA alive =E2=80=A6great respect for the man. = Chris =E2=80=A6should the going get tough, sound off and I am sure the = band of brothers and lets not forget sisters too =E2=80=A6will not let = you walk alone.

 

Cheers Terry = Nair

 

From:<= /b> = Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au>
Sent: Friday, = September 20, 2019 07:10 AM
To: WebDNA Talk List = <talk@webdna.us>
Subject: Re: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA = server not running /Template ERROR/ Slow = speeds

 

I know this is about hosting, but the biggest reason I = struggle with products like Toolset.com (which has a = cumbersome interface that kinda does what WebDNA can but which sucks = because they=E2=80=99re trying to do it with PHP), is because it makes = no sense to build a website with an admin backend from scratch. =  The primary components of every website should be pre-built = packaged stuff that gets the CSS treatment.  That gets the entire = site - with a back end - up and running in a few = minutes.



Everyone should have a = look at the new eCommerce module that Christophe has = available



<= div>

Kind = regards

 

Stuart = Tremain

Pharoah Lane = Software

AUSTRALIA

 

 

 

 

 



On 20 Sep 2019, at 02:13, Patrick McCormick <duganmccormick@gmail.com>= wrote:

 

I=E2=80=99ve been using futurehosting.com after doing a = ton of searching.  Prices are reasonable but the primary advantage = is a ticketed support system with under 5 minute response by qualified = people.

 

I = run a large pile of WordPress websites and other things.  The = ecosystem for software used by most hosting providers is really = modularized and reliable.  They use things like Softaculo for = bundling software packages and then there are intuitive interfaces for = installation and management.  No reason that WebDNA isn=E2=80=99t = already packaged as such.  It should already have a free version = available among the rest of the internet = world.

 

Also - once bundles that way, it becomes immediately = available for lots of additional situations.  Docker.com comes to mind. =  Imagine only having to send a single link to a config file and = anyone can be running a duplicate instance of whatever complicated = arrangement you might have built onto a complicated = server.

 

The rest of the web world has moved way beyond WebDNA, = but WebDNA does something so much better than anything else, I believe = it=E2=80=99s just a matter of packaging WebDNA to make it a tremendous = success.  The entire WebDNA language could operate seamlessly = within a WordPress installation.  Yes - you do need to understand = WordPress, but if I can set up a WordPress site quickly with a pre-built = theme, then use a WebDNA plugin version to build the custom parts of the = site & even interact with the WordPress database dynamically, that = is exactly what the future will eventually look = like.

 

I = know this is about hosting, but the biggest reason I struggle with = products like Toolset.com (which has a = cumbersome interface that kinda does what WebDNA can but which sucks = because they=E2=80=99re trying to do it with PHP), is because it makes = no sense to build a website with an admin backend from scratch. =  The primary components of every website should be pre-built = packaged stuff that gets the CSS treatment.  That gets the entire = site - with a back end - up and running in a few = minutes.

 

Than, once particular functions unique to that = business and its site are defined, build those in WebDNA.  IT would = have a staggering effect on the entire internet if there were any other = web language than PHP.  PHP is a giant drag on the advancement of = humanity.  It also need an entirely separate database system which = comes with its own separate programming language.  WordPress got = big because there was simply no other reasonable way to build websites = in one=E2=80=99s own lifetime without it.

 

But, since that infrastructure is already fast & = reliable, why reinvent the wheel?  The only time you need to step = out of the basic construct of what a thing like WordPress provides is = when you need to create some non-standard function on a website for a = particular business situation.  If the website needs to display = & track pizza deliveries, enter WebDNA.  In the back end of = WordPress, WebDNA would provide an interface for creating the stuff = needed & that interface would provide hooks into the WordPress data = so how and where WebDNA data lived could be handled on the fly. =  

 

This world would mean that I could grab hosting from a = fully managed provider, or just fire a docker image onto a google = instance and be up and running with WordPress.  Next, I would = install the WebDNA plugin and connect the licensing to the WebDNA server = and build the custom stuff.

 

I = would never again worry about a physical server.  Everything = currently on the cloud is capable of running WebDNA, provided the WebDNA = guys get someone who knows how to bundle and package it so it plays = correctly with the existing infrastructure of this = stuff.

 

The entire billing system I use for customers is on = the same cloud based server I use.  Monthly revenue automatically = flows into a PayPal account.  I don=E2=80=99t have to produce a = single invoice for hosting ever and if anyone=E2=80=99s credit card = fails, they get auto notified what day their site will go down unless = its rectified.  All support tickets flow directly to the 24x7 staff = because its a fully managed server.

 

C=E2=80=99mom WebDNA guys, the water=E2=80=99s fine in = this here pool!  Jump in!!

 

 



On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> = wrote:

 

LOL u really in deep when the webdna guys don't know = what ya (you lol) saying... LOL (Laughing Out = Loud)

 

On = Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:27 AM Scott @ Itsula <scott@itsula.co.uk> = wrote:

Yh. Yes. Slang really, = apologies.

 

IaaS. =

Infrastructure as a Service.

Renting = servers up to and including a managed and patched OS (operating system, = Ubuntu for example).

 

PaaS. =

Platform as a Service.

Renting = servers up to and including a managed application on top of a managed = OS.

The = application in this example would be a WebDNA = instance.

 

PoPs. = Points of presence. Locations where the IaaS or PaaS are served from, = for example London, Sydney.

 

Microsoft Azure, IBM SoftLayer, Amazon Web Services are all = examples of the larger IaaS/PaaS providers.

 

VPS are = spins on either a shared or dedicated server. IaaS /PaaS brings all of = the other toys to the party.

 

One = other common global layer is SaaS, Software as a service. This is where = typically a web-enabled application is served with a subscription-based = revenue model.

 

Hope = you're ok Ken. We've not met, but you don't seem all that happy in your = written tone to date. Chin up, chap, we=E2=80=99re all on the same (non = ASP/PHP) side here surely!

 

Regards,

Scott

 

 

 

From: WebDNA = Solutions
Sent: 18 September 2019 20:30
Cc: talk@webdna.us
Subject: Re: [WebDNA] = Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ Slow = speeds

 

> Yh, I have to = agree with the use of IaaS.
>
> I would be happy to put = together a talklist agreed WebDNA
> PaaS with global PoPs if = that's of interest to = many?

Yh?
IaaS?
PaaS?
PoPs?

Right.

I have = no idea what the h*** you're talking about.

Maybe that's a good = thing. Who knows?

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA = Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Urgent/Emergency = Phone: (228) 222-2917
Website, Database, Network, and Communication = Systems



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