I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons to= day.
As any member of this list will may or may not know I= have been an active member of this list for 20+ years.
=
During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from pe= ople such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since moved on.=
I have always tried hard to return the favour and a= s such at times have gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have e= njoyed giving back to the community from which my skills have grown. This I b= elieve is the reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around t= he world.
I have seen many users over the years wit= h configuration problems, in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04= , hence the reason why I wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to s= et up WebDNA on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as= to provide an image of the same available to anyone that would like it, all= in the hope that WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of t= his list to implement.
I had a number of people req= uest a copy of this image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One user re= quested that I build an image that anyone could use on any platform. However= this is not possible for cloud servers as each cloud provider has their own= flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting configuration. The instructions th= at I publish will work if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu= 18.0 installation.
And then along came Brian Harri= ngton.
I must preface this with the fact that= everything that i have done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of= good will that I extend to all members of this list.
Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I o= ffered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a mi= nute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Bria= n had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the i= mage that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier a= nd so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the ins= tallation from the instructions that I had published.Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu= 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that was= only requiring a license number.
As you will know,= if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also installed on th= e Droplet.
What happened next is purely comical, if= I published the emails that I received and you read the warnings that I pro= vided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, you would see exactly whe= re Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.
=46rom here all Br= ian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up his Vir= tual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the standard f= ile extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.
<= /div>
As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the ot= her on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a= working reference.
However Brian had other plans, h= e wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be the root director= y of his webserver, remember this is the same person that has had no experie= nce with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Mac server so I believ= ed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian di= dn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache co= nfiguration by uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP= client.
Brian, you may remember the Skype message t= hat I sent you expressing my concern that if you work outside the standard i= nstallation you would break it.
For the rest of the= week I continued to help him, answer his questions, provide advice. All the= time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emails were interrupting. As I l= ive in Sydney there were times that I was not able to answer him immediately= due to the 10 hour time difference.
Then on Friday= afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from Brian - he had lo= cked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for him too, repaired his n= on-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that in 19 minutes time I w= ould be leaving for the weekend.
So it is now Sunda= y morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this morning after have a =E2= =80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usually quiet WebDNA list dom= inated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation.
<= br>
What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are c= omments pointed to myself by Brian such as:
"TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and= suddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someon= e setting you up to fail...!!!=E2=80= =9D
Brian had a very large VHost file that h= e moved from his Mac server to the Linux environment without any alterations= .. He believes that it was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Ap= ache server than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99= s problems relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server r= oot. I note that Brian has said:
" I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webser= ver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and ever= ything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that h= as 23 operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much= sense.
So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have b= een 100% operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the /var= /www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, an= d had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configu= ration file simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you l= istened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked m= e to do it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago.
Now I would like t= o see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have made about me.
Kind regards
Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRAL= IA
<= /div>
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2465 --Apple-Mail-D160C50A-124F-4E91-8A28-EB58022E46A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The= list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t a= lways have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against= them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the re= spect that goes with that.=20 In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can. Just don= =E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-) Cheers. Donovan=20 D. Brooke Mobile > On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington
wro= te: >=20 > FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASS= UMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING= SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOU= R NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE E= ASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!! >=20 >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain = wrote: >> I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. >>=20 >> As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an active= member of this list for 20+ years. >>=20 >> During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from peop= le such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since moved on. >>=20 >> I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have g= one far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to t= he community from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the reason w= hy I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world. >>=20 >> I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, in par= ticular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote t= he instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installa= tion of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image of the same= available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would b= ecome a quick easy solution for members of this list to implement. >>=20 >> I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom have t= aken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyone coul= d use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers as eac= h cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting conf= iguration. The instructions that I publish will work if you follow the steps= on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. >>=20 >> And then along came Brian Harrington.=20 >>=20 >> I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done for Br= ian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to all mem= bers of this list. >>=20 >> Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I o= ffered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a mi= nute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Bria= n had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the i= mage that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier a= nd so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the ins= tallation from the instructions that I had published. >>=20 >> Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.0= 4 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that was only= requiring a license number. >>=20 >> As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is a= lso installed on the Droplet. >>=20 >> What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that I re= ceived and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated advice t= hat I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are. >>=20 >> =46rom here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/ht= ml and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional w= ith all the standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA inst= aller. >>=20 >> As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on 4= 43 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a working= reference. >>=20 >> However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Libra= ry/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember this is the s= ame person that has had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experi= ence with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good sense of being able t= o manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webm= in, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP how= ever he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. >>=20 >> Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my c= oncern that if you work outside the standard installation you would break it= .. >>=20 >> For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, p= rovide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emails we= re interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able to= answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. >>=20 >> Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from B= rian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for him to= o, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that in 1= 9 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. >>=20 >> So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this m= orning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usuall= y quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his in= stallation. >>=20 >> What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are comments po= inted to myself by Brian such as: >> "TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly d= on't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting y= ou up to fail...!!!=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to th= e Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it was easier t= o change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to use search and= replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Perm= issions and the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has said:=20= >> " I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna be a= n issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.=E2=80=9D, I= guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu 18= ..04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. >>=20 >> So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% operati= onal as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the /var/www/html direct= ory and had their ownership and preferences checked, and had simply changed t= he root locations in your vhost configuration file simply with a search and r= eplace with your text editor. If you listened to the FREE advice that you we= re given or you could have even asked me to do it you would have had a fully= functional server many days ago. >>=20 >> Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you h= ave made about me. >> =20 >> Kind regards >>=20 >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- This message is= sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us T= o unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.u= s/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Brian Harrington > Auto Glass Xpress > 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 > Getzville, NY 14068 > (716) 861-2029 > www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is s= ent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To u= nsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.us/p= age.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail-D160C50A-124F-4E91-8A28-EB58022E46A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is gre= at that you are using WebDNA. The list is here to try and help. Unfortunatel= y, the users here don=E2=80=99t always have the the time / resources to help= .. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against them. Stuart is a one of a very few champi= ons of WebDNA. He deserves the respect that goes with that. In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can.= Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-)
=
Cheers.
Donovan
D. Brooke Mobile
FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U= WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE.= ... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" M= E! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AN= D I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS O= THERS!!!
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <
webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons to= day.
As any member of this list will may or may not know I= have been an active member of this list for 20+ years.
=
During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from pe= ople such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since moved on.=
I have always tried hard to return the favour and a= s such at times have gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have e= njoyed giving back to the community from which my skills have grown. This I b= elieve is the reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around t= he world.
I have seen many users over the years wit= h configuration problems, in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04= , hence the reason why I wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to s= et up WebDNA on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as= to provide an image of the same available to anyone that would like it, all= in the hope that WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of t= his list to implement.
I had a number of people req= uest a copy of this image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One user re= quested that I build an image that anyone could use on any platform. However= this is not possible for cloud servers as each cloud provider has their own= flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting configuration. The instructions th= at I publish will work if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu= 18.0 installation.
And then along came Brian Harri= ngton.
I must preface this with the fact that= everything that i have done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of= good will that I extend to all members of this list.
Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I o= ffered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a mi= nute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Bria= n had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the i= mage that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier a= nd so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the ins= tallation from the instructions that I had published.Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu= 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that was= only requiring a license number.
As you will know,= if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also installed on th= e Droplet.
What happened next is purely comical, if= I published the emails that I received and you read the warnings that I pro= vided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, you would see exactly whe= re Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.
=46rom here all Br= ian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up his Vir= tual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the standard f= ile extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.
<= /div>
As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the ot= her on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a= working reference.
However Brian had other plans, h= e wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be the root director= y of his webserver, remember this is the same person that has had no experie= nce with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Mac server so I believ= ed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian di= dn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache co= nfiguration by uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP= client.
Brian, you may remember the Skype message t= hat I sent you expressing my concern that if you work outside the standard i= nstallation you would break it.
For the rest of the= week I continued to help him, answer his questions, provide advice. All the= time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emails were interrupting. As I l= ive in Sydney there were times that I was not able to answer him immediately= due to the 10 hour time difference.
Then on Friday= afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from Brian - he had lo= cked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for him too, repaired his n= on-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that in 19 minutes time I w= ould be leaving for the weekend.
So it is now Sunda= y morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this morning after have a =E2= =80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usually quiet WebDNA list dom= inated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation.
<= br>
What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are c= omments pointed to myself by Brian such as:
"TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and= suddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someon= e setting you up to fail...!!!=E2=80= =9D
Brian had a very large VHost file that h= e moved from his Mac server to the Linux environment without any alterations= .. He believes that it was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Ap= ache server than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99= s problems relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server r= oot. I note that Brian has said:
" I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webser= ver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and ever= ything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that h= as 23 operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much= sense.
So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have b= een 100% operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the /var= /www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, an= d had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configu= ration file simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you l= istened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked m= e to do it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago.
Now I would like t= o see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have made about me.
Kind regards
Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRAL= IA
<= /div>
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Getzville, NY 14068
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