Re: [WebDNA] Brian Harrington

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texte = 2468 --000000000000308e650593ca3dc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "don=E2=80=99t F with us" LMAO...! You all know I'm just as devoted to WebD= na as the rest of you and you all know I appreciate ALL of yours help! On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:56 PM Donovan Brooke wrote: > Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. > The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80= =99t > always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that aga= inst them. > Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respec= t > that goes with that. > > In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can. Just > don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-) > > Cheers. > Donovan > > D. Brooke Mobile > > On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington > wrote: > > FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL > ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON > DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW > ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE > MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE *HELPS OTHERS!!!* > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain > wrote: > >> I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. >> >> As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an activ= e >> member of this list for 20+ years. >> >> During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from >> people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since mov= ed >> on. >> >> I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have >> gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving bac= k >> to the community from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the >> reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world. >> >> I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, in >> particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I >> wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fre= sh >> installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image= of >> the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that >> WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to >> implement. >> >> I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom have >> taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyone >> could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud server= s >> as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their >> hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you >> follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. >> >> And then along came Brian Harrington. >> >> I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done for >> Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to a= ll >> members of this list. >> >> Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I >> offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than= a >> minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh= , >> Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not receiv= ed >> the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make thing= s >> easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply compl= eted the >> installation from the instructions that I had published. >> >> Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu >> 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that = was >> only requiring a license number. >> >> As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is >> also installed on the Droplet. >> >> What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that I >> received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated >> advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problem= s are. >> >> From here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/htm= l >> and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional >> with all the standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA >> installer. >> >> As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on >> 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a >> working reference. >> >> However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory >> /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember th= is >> is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, he ha= s >> had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good sense = of >> being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use th= e installed >> Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with >> FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. >> >> Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my >> concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would bre= ak >> it. >> >> For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, >> provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emai= ls were >> interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able t= o >> answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. >> >> Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from >> Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for h= im >> too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him tha= t >> in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. >> >> So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this >> morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the u= sually quiet WebDNA >> list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation. >> >> What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are comments >> pointed to myself by Brian such as: >> "*TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly >> don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone sett= ing >> you up to fail...!!!*=E2=80=9D >> >> Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to >> the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it was >> easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to us= e >> search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate di= rectly to >> Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has >> said: >> " *I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna >> be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.*=E2= =80=9D, >> I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubun= tu >> 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. >> >> So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% >> operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the >> /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, >> and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration fi= le >> simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened = to >> the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to d= o >> it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago. >> >> Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you >> have made about me. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- This message i= s >> sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.u= s >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: >> http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.= us > > > > -- > Brian Harrington > Auto Glass Xpress > 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 > Getzville, NY 14068 > (716) 861-2029 > www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s --=20 Brian Harrington Auto Glass Xpress 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 Getzville, NY 14068 (716) 861-2029 www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com --000000000000308e650593ca3dc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"don=E2=80=99t F wit= h us" LMAO...! You all know I'm just as devoted to WebDna as the r= est of you and you all know I appreciate ALL of yours help!=C2=A0


On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:56 PM Donovan Brooke &= lt;dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:
Hey = Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The li= st is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t alw= ays have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against = them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the re= spect that goes with that.=C2=A0

In short... us long-tim= e members will always try to help if we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. = We have been through a lot ;-)

Cheers.
D= onovan=C2=A0

D. Brooke Mobile

On Sep 29= , 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

FYI I NEVER M= ENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I= 9;M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHIN= G TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW A= LL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY= LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!

On Sat, Sep 28, 2= 019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
I have really leaned anot= her one of this life's lessons today.

As any member = of this list will may or may not know I have been an active member of this = list for 20+ years.

During this time I have learne= d so much about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Br= ooke, and others that have since moved on.

I have = always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have gone far a= nd beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the comm= unity from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I h= ave been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.

I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems,= in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I= wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh= installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image o= f the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that Web= DNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to implemen= t.

I had a number of people request a copy of this= image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One user requested that I bui= ld an image that anyone could use on any platform. However this is not poss= ible for cloud servers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubun= tu tuned to their hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish wi= ll work if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installa= tion.

And then along came Brian Harrington.=C2=A0<= /div>

I must preface this with the fact that everything = that i have done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will = that I extend to all members of this list.

Brian w= as unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered t= o meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a minute la= ter I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had = some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the image = that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and = so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the insta= llation from the instructions=C2=A0that I had published.

Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu= 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that wa= s only requiring a license number.

As you will kno= w, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also installed on= the Droplet.

What happened next is purely comical= , if I published the emails that I received and you read the warnings that = I provided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, =C2=A0you would see exact= ly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.

From here a= ll Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up h= is Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the st= andard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.
<= div>
As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on= 80 the other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he c= ould have a working reference.

However Brian had o= ther plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be the= root directory of his webserver, remember this is the same person that has= had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Mac se= rver so I believed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux= Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted t= o do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn= =E2=80=99t have a FTP client.

Brian, you may remem= ber the Skype message that I sent you expressing my concern that if you wor= k outside the standard installation you would break it.

For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his question= s, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emai= ls were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not a= ble to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference.

Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet anoth= er email from Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed= this for him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advi= sed him that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.

So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on m= y computer this morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday= to see the usually quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have= issues with his installation.

What does surprise = me, and leads me to writing this email are comments pointed to myself by Br= ian such as:
"TalkList m= embers say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't has = access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up to= fail...!!!=E2=80=9D=

Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from h= is Mac server to the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes= that it was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server = than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems = relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I not= e that Brian has said:=C2=A0
"=C2=A0<= font color=3D"#000000">I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserv= er files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and ever= ything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that= has 23=C2=A0operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make m= uch sense.

<= font color=3D"#000000">So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would h= ave been 100% operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to th= e /var/www/html=C2=A0directory and had their ownership and preferences chec= ked, and had=C2=A0simply changed the root=C2=A0locations in your=C2=A0vhost= configuration file simply with a search and replace with your text editor.= If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have e= ven asked me to do it you would have had a fully functional server many day= s ago.

Now I= would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have ma= de about me.
=C2=A0
Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA






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2468 --000000000000308e650593ca3dc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "don=E2=80=99t F with us" LMAO...! You all know I'm just as devoted to WebD= na as the rest of you and you all know I appreciate ALL of yours help! On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:56 PM Donovan Brooke wrote: > Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. > The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80= =99t > always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that aga= inst them. > Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respec= t > that goes with that. > > In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can. Just > don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-) > > Cheers. > Donovan > > D. Brooke Mobile > > On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington > wrote: > > FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL > ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON > DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW > ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE > MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE *HELPS OTHERS!!!* > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain > wrote: > >> I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. >> >> As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an activ= e >> member of this list for 20+ years. >> >> During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from >> people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since mov= ed >> on. >> >> I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have >> gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving bac= k >> to the community from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the >> reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world. >> >> I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, in >> particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I >> wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fre= sh >> installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image= of >> the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that >> WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to >> implement. >> >> I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom have >> taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyone >> could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud server= s >> as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their >> hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you >> follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. >> >> And then along came Brian Harrington. >> >> I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done for >> Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to a= ll >> members of this list. >> >> Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I >> offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than= a >> minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh= , >> Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not receiv= ed >> the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make thing= s >> easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply compl= eted the >> installation from the instructions that I had published. >> >> Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu >> 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that = was >> only requiring a license number. >> >> As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is >> also installed on the Droplet. >> >> What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that I >> received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated >> advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problem= s are. >> >> From here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/htm= l >> and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional >> with all the standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA >> installer. >> >> As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on >> 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a >> working reference. >> >> However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory >> /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember th= is >> is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, he ha= s >> had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good sense = of >> being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use th= e installed >> Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with >> FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. >> >> Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my >> concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would bre= ak >> it. >> >> For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, >> provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emai= ls were >> interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able t= o >> answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. >> >> Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from >> Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for h= im >> too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him tha= t >> in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. >> >> So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this >> morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the u= sually quiet WebDNA >> list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation. >> >> What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are comments >> pointed to myself by Brian such as: >> "*TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly >> don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone sett= ing >> you up to fail...!!!*=E2=80=9D >> >> Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to >> the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it was >> easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to us= e >> search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate di= rectly to >> Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has >> said: >> " *I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna >> be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.*=E2= =80=9D, >> I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubun= tu >> 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. >> >> So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% >> operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the >> /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, >> and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration fi= le >> simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened = to >> the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to d= o >> it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago. >> >> Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you >> have made about me. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- This message i= s >> sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.u= s >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: >> http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.= us > > > > -- > Brian Harrington > Auto Glass Xpress > 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 > Getzville, NY 14068 > (716) 861-2029 > www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s --=20 Brian Harrington Auto Glass Xpress 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 Getzville, NY 14068 (716) 861-2029 www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com --000000000000308e650593ca3dc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"don=E2=80=99t F wit= h us" LMAO...! You all know I'm just as devoted to WebDna as the r= est of you and you all know I appreciate ALL of yours help!=C2=A0


On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:56 PM Donovan Brooke &= lt;dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:
Hey = Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The li= st is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t alw= ays have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against = them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the re= spect that goes with that.=C2=A0

In short... us long-tim= e members will always try to help if we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. = We have been through a lot ;-)

Cheers.
D= onovan=C2=A0

D. Brooke Mobile

On Sep 29= , 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

FYI I NEVER M= ENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I= 9;M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHIN= G TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW A= LL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY= LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!

On Sat, Sep 28, 2= 019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
I have really leaned anot= her one of this life's lessons today.

As any member = of this list will may or may not know I have been an active member of this = list for 20+ years.

During this time I have learne= d so much about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Br= ooke, and others that have since moved on.

I have = always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have gone far a= nd beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the comm= unity from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I h= ave been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.

I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems,= in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I= wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh= installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image o= f the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that Web= DNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to implemen= t.

I had a number of people request a copy of this= image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One user requested that I bui= ld an image that anyone could use on any platform. However this is not poss= ible for cloud servers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubun= tu tuned to their hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish wi= ll work if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installa= tion.

And then along came Brian Harrington.=C2=A0<= /div>

I must preface this with the fact that everything = that i have done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will = that I extend to all members of this list.

Brian w= as unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered t= o meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a minute la= ter I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had = some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the image = that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and = so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the insta= llation from the instructions=C2=A0that I had published.

Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu= 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that wa= s only requiring a license number.

As you will kno= w, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also installed on= the Droplet.

What happened next is purely comical= , if I published the emails that I received and you read the warnings that = I provided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, =C2=A0you would see exact= ly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.

From here a= ll Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up h= is Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the st= andard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.
<= div>
As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on= 80 the other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he c= ould have a working reference.

However Brian had o= ther plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be the= root directory of his webserver, remember this is the same person that has= had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Mac se= rver so I believed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux= Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted t= o do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn= =E2=80=99t have a FTP client.

Brian, you may remem= ber the Skype message that I sent you expressing my concern that if you wor= k outside the standard installation you would break it.

For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his question= s, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emai= ls were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not a= ble to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference.

Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet anoth= er email from Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed= this for him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advi= sed him that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.

So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on m= y computer this morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday= to see the usually quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have= issues with his installation.

What does surprise = me, and leads me to writing this email are comments pointed to myself by Br= ian such as:
"TalkList m= embers say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't has = access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up to= fail...!!!=E2=80=9D=

Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from h= is Mac server to the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes= that it was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server = than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems = relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I not= e that Brian has said:=C2=A0
"=C2=A0<= font color=3D"#000000">I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserv= er files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and ever= ything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that= has 23=C2=A0operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make m= uch sense.

<= font color=3D"#000000">So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would h= ave been 100% operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to th= e /var/www/html=C2=A0directory and had their ownership and preferences chec= ked, and had=C2=A0simply changed the root=C2=A0locations in your=C2=A0vhost= configuration file simply with a search and replace with your text editor.= If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have e= ven asked me to do it you would have had a fully functional server many day= s ago.

Now I= would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have ma= de about me.
=C2=A0
Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA






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