Hey =Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The li=st is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t alw=ays have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against =them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the re=spect that goes with that.=C2=A0In short... us long-tim=e members will always try to help if we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. =We have been through a lot ;-)Cheers.D=onovan=C2=A0D. Brooke Mobile
On Sep 29=, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:FYI I NEVER M=ENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I=9;M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHIN=G TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW A=LL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY= LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!On Sat, Sep 28, 2=019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote: I have really leaned anot=her one of this life's lessons today.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@w=ebdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppo=rt@webdna.usAs any member =of this list will may or may not know I have been an active member of this =list for 20+ years.During this time I have learne=d so much about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Br=ooke, and others that have since moved on.I have =always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have gone far a=nd beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the comm=unity from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I h=ave been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.
=div>I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems,= in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I= wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh= installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image o=f the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that Web=DNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to implemen=t.I had a number of people request a copy of this= image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One user requested that I bui=ld an image that anyone could use on any platform. However this is not poss=ible for cloud servers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubun=tu tuned to their hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish wi=ll work if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installa=tion.And then along came Brian Harrington.=C2=A0<=/div>I must preface this with the fact that everything =that i have done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will =that I extend to all members of this list.Brian w=as unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered t=o meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a minute la=ter I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had =some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the image =that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and =so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the insta=llation from the instructions=C2=A0that I had published.Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu= 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that wa=s only requiring a license number.As you will kno=w, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also installed on= the Droplet.What happened next is purely comical=, if I published the emails that I received and you read the warnings that =I provided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, =C2=A0you would see exact=ly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.From here a=ll Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up h=is Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the st=andard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.<=div>As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on= 80 the other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he c=ould have a working reference.However Brian had o=ther plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be the= root directory of his webserver, remember this is the same person that has= had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Mac se=rver so I believed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux= Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted t=o do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn==E2=80=99t have a FTP client.Brian, you may remem=ber the Skype message that I sent you expressing my concern that if you wor=k outside the standard installation you would break it.For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his question=s, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emai=ls were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not a=ble to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference.Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet anoth=er email from Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed= this for him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advi=sed him that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on m=y computer this morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday= to see the usually quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have= issues with his installation.What does surprise =me, and leads me to writing this email are comments pointed to myself by Br=ian such as:"TalkList m=embers say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't has =access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up to= fail...!!!=E2=80=9D=Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from h=is Mac server to the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes= that it was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server =than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems =relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I not=e that Brian has said:=C2=A0"=C2=A0<=font color=3D"#000000">I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserv=er files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and ever=ything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that= has 23=C2=A0operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make m=uch sense.<=font color=3D"#000000">So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would h=ave been 100% operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to th=e /var/www/html=C2=A0directory and had their ownership and preferences chec=ked, and had=C2=A0simply changed the root=C2=A0locations in your=C2=A0vhost= configuration file simply with a search and replace with your text editor.= If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have e=ven asked me to do it you would have had a fully functional server many day=s ago.Now I= would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have ma=de about me.=C2=A0---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@w=ebdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppo=rt@webdna.us--
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wrote:> Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA.> The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80==99t> always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that aga=inst them.> Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respec=t> that goes with that.>> In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can. Just> don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-)>> Cheers.> Donovan>> D. Brooke Mobile>> On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington > wrote:>> FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL> ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON> DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW> ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE> MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE *HELPS OTHERS!!!*>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain > wrote:>>> I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today.>>>> As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an activ=e>> member of this list for 20+ years.>>>> During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from>> people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since mov=ed>> on.>>>> I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have>> gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving bac=k>> to the community from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the>> reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.>>>> I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, in>> particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I>> wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fre=sh>> installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image= of>> the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that>> WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to>> implement.>>>> I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom have>> taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyone>> could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud server=s>> as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their>> hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you>> follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.>>>> And then along came Brian Harrington.>>>> I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done for>> Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to a=ll>> members of this list.>>>> Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I>> offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than= a>> minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh=,>> Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not receiv=ed>> the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make thing=s>> easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply compl=eted the>> installation from the instructions that I had published.>>>> Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu>> 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that =was>> only requiring a license number.>>>> As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is>> also installed on the Droplet.>>>> What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that I>> received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated>> advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problem=s are.>>>> From here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/htm=l>> and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional>> with all the standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA>> installer.>>>> As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on>> 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a>> working reference.>>>> However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory>> /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember th=is>> is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, he ha=s>> had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good sense =of>> being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use th=e installed>> Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with>> FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client.>>>> Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my>> concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would bre=ak>> it.>>>> For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions,>> provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emai=ls were>> interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able t=o>> answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference.>>>> Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from>> Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for h=im>> too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him tha=t>> in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.>>>> So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this>> morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the u=sually quiet WebDNA>> list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation.>>>> What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are comments>> pointed to myself by Brian such as:>> "*TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly>> don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone sett=ing>> you up to fail...!!!*=E2=80=9D>>>> Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to>> the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it was>> easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to us=e>> search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate di=rectly to>> Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has>> said:>> " *I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna>> be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.*=E2==80=9D,>> I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubun=tu>> 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense.>>>> So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100%>> operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the>> /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked,>> and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration fi=le>> simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened =to>> the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to d=o>> it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago.>>>> Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you>> have made about me.>>>> Kind regards>>>> Stuart Tremain>> Pharoah Lane Software>> AUSTRALIA>> webdna@plsoftware.com.au>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message i=s>> sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.u=s>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives:>> http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.=us>>>> --> Brian Harrington> Auto Glass Xpress> 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063> Getzville, NY 14068> (716) 861-2029> www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com> --------------------------------------------------------- This message is> sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives:> http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u=s>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message is> sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives:> http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u=s--=20Brian HarringtonAuto Glass Xpress2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063Getzville, NY 14068(716) 861-2029www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com--000000000000308e650593ca3dc6Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "don=E2=80=99t F wit=h us" LMAO...! You all know I'm just as devoted to WebDna as the r=est of you and you all know I appreciate ALL of yours help!=C2=A0 On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:56 PM Donovan Brooke &=lt;dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:Hey =Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The li=st is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t alw=ays have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against =them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the re=spect that goes with that.=C2=A0In short... us long-tim=e members will always try to help if we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. =We have been through a lot ;-)Cheers.D=onovan=C2=A0D. Brooke Mobile
On Sep 29=, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:FYI I NEVER M=ENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I=9;M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHIN=G TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW A=LL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY= LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!On Sat, Sep 28, 2=019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote: I have really leaned anot=her one of this life's lessons today.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@w=ebdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppo=rt@webdna.usAs any member =of this list will may or may not know I have been an active member of this =list for 20+ years.During this time I have learne=d so much about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Br=ooke, and others that have since moved on.I have =always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have gone far a=nd beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the comm=unity from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I h=ave been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.
=div>I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems,= in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I= wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh= installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image o=f the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that Web=DNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to implemen=t.I had a number of people request a copy of this= image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One user requested that I bui=ld an image that anyone could use on any platform. However this is not poss=ible for cloud servers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubun=tu tuned to their hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish wi=ll work if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installa=tion.And then along came Brian Harrington.=C2=A0<=/div>I must preface this with the fact that everything =that i have done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will =that I extend to all members of this list.Brian w=as unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered t=o meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a minute la=ter I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had =some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the image =that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and =so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the insta=llation from the instructions=C2=A0that I had published.Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu= 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that wa=s only requiring a license number.As you will kno=w, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also installed on= the Droplet.What happened next is purely comical=, if I published the emails that I received and you read the warnings that =I provided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, =C2=A0you would see exact=ly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.From here a=ll Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up h=is Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the st=andard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.<=div>As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on= 80 the other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he c=ould have a working reference.However Brian had o=ther plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be the= root directory of his webserver, remember this is the same person that has= had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Mac se=rver so I believed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux= Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted t=o do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn==E2=80=99t have a FTP client.Brian, you may remem=ber the Skype message that I sent you expressing my concern that if you wor=k outside the standard installation you would break it.For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his question=s, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emai=ls were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not a=ble to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference.Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet anoth=er email from Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed= this for him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advi=sed him that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on m=y computer this morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday= to see the usually quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have= issues with his installation.What does surprise =me, and leads me to writing this email are comments pointed to myself by Br=ian such as:"TalkList m=embers say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't has =access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up to= fail...!!!=E2=80=9D=Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from h=is Mac server to the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes= that it was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server =than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems =relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I not=e that Brian has said:=C2=A0"=C2=A0<=font color=3D"#000000">I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserv=er files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and ever=ything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that= has 23=C2=A0operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make m=uch sense.<=font color=3D"#000000">So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would h=ave been 100% operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to th=e /var/www/html=C2=A0directory and had their ownership and preferences chec=ked, and had=C2=A0simply changed the root=C2=A0locations in your=C2=A0vhost= configuration file simply with a search and replace with your text editor.= If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have e=ven asked me to do it you would have had a fully functional server many day=s ago.Now I= would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have ma=de about me.=C2=A0---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@w=ebdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppo=rt@webdna.us--
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