Re: [WebDNA] Brian Harrington

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texte = 2474 --Apple-Mail=_2B907424-AD47-421D-9910-EC8736C3CAE2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Patrick The addition of WebDNA into the app library of cPanel would be a great = boost for WebDNA.. Many years ago I shopped around different hosting companies for them to = make WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - none were willing. If you have total access to your machine and are familiar with the OS on = the machine and the workings of cPanel then it would be a worthwhile = exercise to get it going. Your best bet on getting help to achieve this = would be a cPanel support group as I am pretty sure that there is no-one = using WebDNA on cPanel. Long term it would be beneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to = have WebDNA installed via cPanel. I for one would be very interested in what you can achieve. Kind regards Stuart Tremain Pharoah Lane Software AUSTRALIA webdna@plsoftware.com.au > On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McCormick = wrote: >=20 > I recently upgraded a server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been = using: futurehosting.com >=20 > I have a dedicated machine, second from the max size. In addition to = cPanel, that level of contract includes WHM, which is an administration = level that allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to = get a working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used = by anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting = environment. =20 >=20 > If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I will provide hosting = for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPanel & WebDNA for = anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting company. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke > wrote: >>=20 >> Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using = WebDNA. The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here = don=E2=80=99t always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t = hold that against them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of = WebDNA. He deserves the respect that goes with that.=20 >>=20 >> In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can. = Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-) >>=20 >> Cheers. >> Donovan=20 >>=20 >> D. Brooke Mobile >>=20 >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington > wrote: >>=20 >>> FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY = ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS = PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE = IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE = WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!! >>>=20 >>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain = > wrote: >>> I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. >>>=20 >>> As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an = active member of this list for 20+ years. >>>=20 >>> During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from = people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since = moved on. >>>=20 >>> I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times = have gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed = giving back to the community from which my skills have grown. This I = believe is the reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from = around the world. >>>=20 >>> I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, = in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why = I wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a = fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an = image of the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the = hope that WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this = list to implement. >>>=20 >>> I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom = have taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that = anyone could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud = servers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to = their hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work = if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. >>>=20 >>> And then along came Brian Harrington.=20 >>>=20 >>> I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done = for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend = to all members of this list. >>>=20 >>> Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he = created. I offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle = - less than a minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual = server) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, = and had not received the image that I had shared with him from = DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t = have to go backwards I simply completed the installation from the = instructions that I had published. >>>=20 >>> Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu = 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that = was only requiring a license number. >>>=20 >>> As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, = Webmin is also installed on the Droplet. >>>=20 >>> What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that = I received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated = advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s = problems are. >>>=20 >>> =46rom here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to = /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was = 100% functional with all the standard file extensions that are installed = with the WebDNA installer. >>>=20 >>> As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the = other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could = have a working reference. >>>=20 >>> However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory = /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember = this is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, = he has had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good = sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want = to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by = uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. >>>=20 >>> Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing = my concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would = break it. >>>=20 >>> For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his = questions, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80= =99s emails were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that = I was not able to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time = difference. >>>=20 >>> Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email = from Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this = for him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised = him that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. >>>=20 >>> So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer = this morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see = the usually quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have = issues with his installation. >>>=20 >>> What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are = comments pointed to myself by Brian such as: >>> "TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and = suddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than = someone setting you up to fail...!!!=E2=80=9D >>>=20 >>> Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server = to the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it = was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than = to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems = relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I = note that Brian has said:=20 >>> " I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are = gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything = else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 = operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. >>>=20 >>> So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% = operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the = /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, = and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration = file simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you = listened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even = asked me to do it you would have had a fully functional server many days = ago. >>>=20 >>> Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that = you have made about me. >>> =20 >>> Kind regards >>>=20 >>> Stuart Tremain >>> Pharoah Lane Software >>> AUSTRALIA >>> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Brian Harrington >>> Auto Glass Xpress >>> 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 >>> Getzville, NY 14068 >>> (716) 861-2029 >>> www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com = ---------------------------------------= ------------------ This message is sent to you because you are = subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us = archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us = ------------------------------------------------= --------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the = mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, = E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_2B907424-AD47-421D-9910-EC8736C3CAE2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Patrick

The addition = of WebDNA into the app library of cPanel would be a great boost for = WebDNA..

Many = years ago I shopped around different hosting companies for them to make = WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - none were willing.

If you have total access = to your machine and are familiar with the OS on the machine and the = workings of cPanel then it would be a worthwhile exercise to get it = going. Your best bet on getting help to achieve this would be a cPanel = support group as I am pretty sure that there is no-one using WebDNA on = cPanel.

Long = term it would be beneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to have = WebDNA installed via cPanel.

I for one would be very interested in = what you can achieve.


Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA







On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McCormick <duganmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently upgraded a = server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been using:  futurehosting.com

I have a dedicated = machine, second from the max size.  In addition to cPanel, that = level of contract includes WHM, which is an administration level that = allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to get a = working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used by = anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting = environment.  

If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I will = provide hosting for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPanel = & WebDNA for anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting = company.




On Sep = 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> = wrote:

Hey Brian... I think the gist = is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The list is here to try and = help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t always have the the = time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against them. Stuart = is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respect that = goes with that. 

In short... us long-time members will always try to help if = we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot = ;-)

Cheers.
Donovan 

D. Brooke = Mobile

On Sep 29, 2019, = at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME = OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL = SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU = FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK = YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE = PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!

On Sat, Sep = 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
I have really leaned another one of this life's = lessons today.

As = any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an active = member of this list for 20+ years.

During this time I have learned so much = about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, = and others that have since moved on.

I have always tried hard to return the = favour and as such at times have gone far and beyond the task of = offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the community from which my = skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I have been = contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.
I have seen many users over the years = with configuration problems, in particular the last few weeks with = Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote the instructions a week or so = ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I = even went as far as to provide an image of the same available to anyone = that would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would become a quick = easy solution for members of this list to implement.

I had a number of people = request a copy of this image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One = user requested that I build an image that anyone could use on any = platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers as each cloud = provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting = configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you follow = the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.

And then along came = Brian Harrington. 

I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have = done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I = extend to all members of this list.

Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu = 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered to meet him on Skype to help = him get past his hurdle - less than a minute later I had connected to = the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as to = how that was achieved, and had not received the image that I had shared = with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and so that he = didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the installation = from the instructions that I had published.

Less than 20 minutes later Brian was = the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.04 server complete with a working = installation of WebDNA server that was only requiring a license = number.

As you = will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also = installed on the Droplet.

What happened next is purely comical, if I published the = emails that I received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus = the repeated advice that I gave,  you would see exactly where = Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.

=46rom here all Brian needed to do was = upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts - at = this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the standard file = extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.

As an additional task I = set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on 443 with the ssl = certificate that he supplied so that he could have a working = reference.

However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new = directory /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, = remember this is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux = server, he has had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he = had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99= t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache = configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have = a FTP client.

Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you = expressing my concern that if you work outside the standard installation = you would break it.

For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his = questions, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80= =99s emails were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that = I was not able to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time = difference.

Then= on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from = Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for = him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him = that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.

So it is now Sunday = morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this morning after have = a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usually quiet WebDNA = list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his = installation.

What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are = comments pointed to myself by Brian such as:
"TalkList members say they will = help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't has access to email or = skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up to = fail...!!!=E2=80=9D

Brian had a very large VHost file that he = moved from his Mac server to the Linux environment without any = alterations. He believes that it was easier to change the configuration = of the Linux/Apache server than to use search and replace on his VHost = file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Permissions and the = relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has = said: 
" I have no idea why Stuart thinks = /Library/Webserver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list = share folder and everything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking = advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers = really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense.

So= Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% = operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the = /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences = checked, and had simply changed the root locations in = your vhost configuration file simply with a search and replace with = your text editor. If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given = or you could have even asked me to do it you would have had a fully = functional server many days ago.

Now I would like = to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have made about = me.
 
Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA







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2474 --Apple-Mail=_2B907424-AD47-421D-9910-EC8736C3CAE2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Patrick The addition of WebDNA into the app library of cPanel would be a great = boost for WebDNA.. Many years ago I shopped around different hosting companies for them to = make WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - none were willing. If you have total access to your machine and are familiar with the OS on = the machine and the workings of cPanel then it would be a worthwhile = exercise to get it going. Your best bet on getting help to achieve this = would be a cPanel support group as I am pretty sure that there is no-one = using WebDNA on cPanel. Long term it would be beneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to = have WebDNA installed via cPanel. I for one would be very interested in what you can achieve. Kind regards Stuart Tremain Pharoah Lane Software AUSTRALIA webdna@plsoftware.com.au > On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McCormick = wrote: >=20 > I recently upgraded a server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been = using: futurehosting.com >=20 > I have a dedicated machine, second from the max size. In addition to = cPanel, that level of contract includes WHM, which is an administration = level that allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to = get a working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used = by anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting = environment. =20 >=20 > If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I will provide hosting = for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPanel & WebDNA for = anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting company. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke > wrote: >>=20 >> Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using = WebDNA. The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here = don=E2=80=99t always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t = hold that against them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of = WebDNA. He deserves the respect that goes with that.=20 >>=20 >> In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can. = Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-) >>=20 >> Cheers. >> Donovan=20 >>=20 >> D. Brooke Mobile >>=20 >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington > wrote: >>=20 >>> FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY = ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS = PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE = IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE = WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!! >>>=20 >>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain = > wrote: >>> I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. >>>=20 >>> As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an = active member of this list for 20+ years. >>>=20 >>> During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from = people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since = moved on. >>>=20 >>> I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times = have gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed = giving back to the community from which my skills have grown. This I = believe is the reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from = around the world. >>>=20 >>> I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, = in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why = I wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a = fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an = image of the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the = hope that WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this = list to implement. >>>=20 >>> I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom = have taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that = anyone could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud = servers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to = their hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work = if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. >>>=20 >>> And then along came Brian Harrington.=20 >>>=20 >>> I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done = for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend = to all members of this list. >>>=20 >>> Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he = created. I offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle = - less than a minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual = server) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, = and had not received the image that I had shared with him from = DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t = have to go backwards I simply completed the installation from the = instructions that I had published. >>>=20 >>> Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu = 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that = was only requiring a license number. >>>=20 >>> As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, = Webmin is also installed on the Droplet. >>>=20 >>> What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that = I received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated = advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s = problems are. >>>=20 >>> =46rom here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to = /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was = 100% functional with all the standard file extensions that are installed = with the WebDNA installer. >>>=20 >>> As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the = other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could = have a working reference. >>>=20 >>> However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory = /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember = this is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, = he has had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good = sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want = to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by = uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. >>>=20 >>> Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing = my concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would = break it. >>>=20 >>> For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his = questions, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80= =99s emails were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that = I was not able to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time = difference. >>>=20 >>> Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email = from Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this = for him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised = him that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. >>>=20 >>> So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer = this morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see = the usually quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have = issues with his installation. >>>=20 >>> What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are = comments pointed to myself by Brian such as: >>> "TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and = suddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than = someone setting you up to fail...!!!=E2=80=9D >>>=20 >>> Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server = to the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it = was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than = to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems = relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I = note that Brian has said:=20 >>> " I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are = gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything = else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 = operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. >>>=20 >>> So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% = operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the = /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, = and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration = file simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you = listened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even = asked me to do it you would have had a fully functional server many days = ago. >>>=20 >>> Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that = you have made about me. >>> =20 >>> Kind regards >>>=20 >>> Stuart Tremain >>> Pharoah Lane Software >>> AUSTRALIA >>> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Brian Harrington >>> Auto Glass Xpress >>> 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 >>> Getzville, NY 14068 >>> (716) 861-2029 >>> www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com = ---------------------------------------= ------------------ This message is sent to you because you are = subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us = archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us = ------------------------------------------------= --------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the = mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, = E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_2B907424-AD47-421D-9910-EC8736C3CAE2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Patrick

The addition = of WebDNA into the app library of cPanel would be a great boost for = WebDNA..

Many = years ago I shopped around different hosting companies for them to make = WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - none were willing.

If you have total access = to your machine and are familiar with the OS on the machine and the = workings of cPanel then it would be a worthwhile exercise to get it = going. Your best bet on getting help to achieve this would be a cPanel = support group as I am pretty sure that there is no-one using WebDNA on = cPanel.

Long = term it would be beneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to have = WebDNA installed via cPanel.

I for one would be very interested in = what you can achieve.


Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA







On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McCormick <duganmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently upgraded a = server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been using:  futurehosting.com

I have a dedicated = machine, second from the max size.  In addition to cPanel, that = level of contract includes WHM, which is an administration level that = allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to get a = working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used by = anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting = environment.  

If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I will = provide hosting for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPanel = & WebDNA for anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting = company.




On Sep = 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> = wrote:

Hey Brian... I think the gist = is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The list is here to try and = help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t always have the the = time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against them. Stuart = is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respect that = goes with that. 

In short... us long-time members will always try to help if = we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot = ;-)

Cheers.
Donovan 

D. Brooke = Mobile

On Sep 29, 2019, = at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME = OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL = SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU = FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK = YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE = PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!

On Sat, Sep = 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
I have really leaned another one of this life's = lessons today.

As = any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an active = member of this list for 20+ years.

During this time I have learned so much = about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, = and others that have since moved on.

I have always tried hard to return the = favour and as such at times have gone far and beyond the task of = offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the community from which my = skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I have been = contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.
I have seen many users over the years = with configuration problems, in particular the last few weeks with = Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote the instructions a week or so = ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I = even went as far as to provide an image of the same available to anyone = that would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would become a quick = easy solution for members of this list to implement.

I had a number of people = request a copy of this image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One = user requested that I build an image that anyone could use on any = platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers as each cloud = provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting = configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you follow = the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.

And then along came = Brian Harrington. 

I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have = done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I = extend to all members of this list.

Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu = 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered to meet him on Skype to help = him get past his hurdle - less than a minute later I had connected to = the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as to = how that was achieved, and had not received the image that I had shared = with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and so that he = didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the installation = from the instructions that I had published.

Less than 20 minutes later Brian was = the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.04 server complete with a working = installation of WebDNA server that was only requiring a license = number.

As you = will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also = installed on the Droplet.

What happened next is purely comical, if I published the = emails that I received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus = the repeated advice that I gave,  you would see exactly where = Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.

=46rom here all Brian needed to do was = upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts - at = this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the standard file = extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.

As an additional task I = set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on 443 with the ssl = certificate that he supplied so that he could have a working = reference.

However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new = directory /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, = remember this is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux = server, he has had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he = had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99= t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache = configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have = a FTP client.

Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you = expressing my concern that if you work outside the standard installation = you would break it.

For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his = questions, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80= =99s emails were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that = I was not able to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time = difference.

Then= on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from = Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for = him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him = that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.

So it is now Sunday = morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this morning after have = a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usually quiet WebDNA = list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his = installation.

What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are = comments pointed to myself by Brian such as:
"TalkList members say they will = help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't has access to email or = skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up to = fail...!!!=E2=80=9D

Brian had a very large VHost file that he = moved from his Mac server to the Linux environment without any = alterations. He believes that it was easier to change the configuration = of the Linux/Apache server than to use search and replace on his VHost = file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Permissions and the = relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has = said: 
" I have no idea why Stuart thinks = /Library/Webserver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list = share folder and everything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking = advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers = really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense.

So= Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% = operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the = /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences = checked, and had simply changed the root locations in = your vhost configuration file simply with a search and replace with = your text editor. If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given = or you could have even asked me to do it you would have had a fully = functional server many days ago.

Now I would like = to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have made about = me.
 
Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA







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