Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan
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texte = 1501> I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our own > servers ...I think it makes sense to distinguish between "I own my ownhardware" and "I rent/lease my hardware". I think most WebDNAusers rent/lease their server hardware these days. Maybe youdisagree, and maybe you're right. I could be wrong, but:Given the minuscule cost of a commodity VPS, it makes no sense(for me anyways) to deal with any hardware or network accessissues when a professional hosting company will deal with all thisfor me -- and charge me a pittance for a VPS that I controlexclusively and therefore personally setup and configure with mychoice of OS and all other software, WebDNA included.> ... because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and > the one that does wants a fortune per domain.When you're managing the server software yourself like I do, itdoesn't matter if a hosting company knows anything about WebDNAbecause they have nothing to do with it! So I couldn't care lessif most hosting companies have ever heard of WebDNA -- because Ican still run it on their hardware without a problem.This allows me to AVOID investing in hardware that will becomeobsolete in a few years, dealing with colocation services, settingup a physical server in my home/office, etc., etc.Believe me, I went through the stage of running my own serverhardware while I was living in Hawaii a very long time ago, and itwas never a simple or pleasant thing to do. There was alwayssomething I had to attend to. Something always needed tweaking orfixing or replacing. or the colo host was having issues or neededto move to a new building or whatever. It was not fun at all --just a time-consuming PITA now that I look back on it.> Also, seems like post to the list are screened and sometimes > deleted.You are the first person I can recall who has suggested such athing. Do you really think someone from WSC has the time and/orthe desire to sit there and read every post before approving itfor distribution to the list subscribers?> And it seems odd the first time I see a post it already has 4 > answers and or replies...?I have seen occasions where an original post does not appearbefore the replies. Sometimes it gets shuffled off to my SPAMbox, but other times it just seems to happen that messages do notappear in chronological order.> And Apache, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any > unix based machine!How did you come to this conclusion? Did you read something thatmade you believe this? Or do you actually have some experienceconfiguring different varieties of unix-based servers?> Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a > "little" help migrating over to the new server.Chris thought it might be a WebDNA issue, that's why he wasapparently willing to help track down the suspected "WebDNA bug".But it was not a bug, it was a simple Apache configuration issue.Anyways, since we're on the topic you should know that Chris/WSCoffer paid technical support on a case-by-case basis now.Regards,Kenneth GromeWebDNA Solutionshttp://www.webdnasolutions.comWeb Database Systems and Linux Server Administration---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us.
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1501> I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our own > servers ...I think it makes sense to distinguish between "I own my ownhardware" and "I rent/lease my hardware". I think most WebDNAusers rent/lease their server hardware these days. Maybe youdisagree, and maybe you're right. I could be wrong, but:Given the minuscule cost of a commodity VPS, it makes no sense(for me anyways) to deal with any hardware or network accessissues when a professional hosting company will deal with all thisfor me -- and charge me a pittance for a VPS that I controlexclusively and therefore personally setup and configure with mychoice of OS and all other software, WebDNA included.> ... because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and > the one that does wants a fortune per domain.When you're managing the server software yourself like I do, itdoesn't matter if a hosting company knows anything about WebDNAbecause they have nothing to do with it! So I couldn't care lessif most hosting companies have ever heard of WebDNA -- because Ican still run it on their hardware without a problem.This allows me to AVOID investing in hardware that will becomeobsolete in a few years, dealing with colocation services, settingup a physical server in my home/office, etc., etc.Believe me, I went through the stage of running my own serverhardware while I was living in Hawaii a very long time ago, and itwas never a simple or pleasant thing to do. There was alwayssomething I had to attend to. Something always needed tweaking orfixing or replacing. or the colo host was having issues or neededto move to a new building or whatever. It was not fun at all --just a time-consuming PITA now that I look back on it.> Also, seems like post to the list are screened and sometimes > deleted.You are the first person I can recall who has suggested such athing. Do you really think someone from WSC has the time and/orthe desire to sit there and read every post before approving itfor distribution to the list subscribers?> And it seems odd the first time I see a post it already has 4 > answers and or replies...?I have seen occasions where an original post does not appearbefore the replies. Sometimes it gets shuffled off to my SPAMbox, but other times it just seems to happen that messages do notappear in chronological order.> And Apache, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any > unix based machine!How did you come to this conclusion? Did you read something thatmade you believe this? Or do you actually have some experienceconfiguring different varieties of unix-based servers?> Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a > "little" help migrating over to the new server.Chris thought it might be a WebDNA issue, that's why he wasapparently willing to help track down the suspected "WebDNA bug".But it was not a bug, it was a simple Apache configuration issue.Anyways, since we're on the topic you should know that Chris/WSCoffer paid technical support on a case-by-case basis now.Regards,Kenneth GromeWebDNA Solutionshttp://www.webdnasolutions.comWeb Database Systems and Linux Server Administration---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us.
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