Re: [WebDNA] Seriously what is wrong here?
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texte = --Apple-Mail-CB47FF75-09FB-4F35-980C-C587EDF078EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It sounds like there is a need for a hosting company with preconfigured vir= tual servers running say umbutu and 7.0? Then developers can get out of the= server admin business.=20 Anyone know if someone is already doing that? Frank Frank@cwolfe.com >> I think part of your frustration is and will continue to >> be this: If you don't want to be a server admin, don't >> set up a hosting server. As soon as you set up a server, >> that is all you end up doing (often to the detriment of >> development). >>=20 >> The best advice in this thread so far is: let someone >> else do your hosting. I was given the same advice from >> some of the same people, and they are very right. Server >> problems become very close personal problems. Your >> customers' sites depend on your server, and your server >> depends on you. It sounds like a great idea... and it >> would be if you had someone else to manage the server >> while you develop, or vice-versa. But a single person >> trying to balance development, marketing, and server >> administration is a great recipe for severe health >> problems, outright failure, or both. >>=20 >> I can say from experience that Zarcrom provides wonderful >> service. I have had php hosting through GoDaddy for >> years, and Zarcrom's speed, performance, and uptime are >> second to none. I think Ken Grome hosts, as do several >> others on the distro. >>=20 >> Anyway, glad to hear that your problems are fixed... But, >> if you take anything away from this, take this: If you >> don't want to be a server admin, don't set up a hosting >> server. >>=20 >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:55 AM, =20 >
wrote: >>> Hey guys. Sorry, I hate to be that frustrated guy, and >>> I certainly hit a high point last night, but this has >>> been a strange few days of things just breaking down >>> and falling apart around me (friends dying, >>> relationships ending, vehicles breaking down, and so >>> on). At any rate, I still really like WebDNA and just >>> lost my patience. >>>=20 >>> Last night though, I did get a setup with Ubuntu 11.10 >>> working with WebDNA7 (replacing the libssl.so file) >>> just fine with the same configuration I was using. I >>> was not able to reproduce the funky database behavior. >>>=20 >>> So I do believe that there is a real problem with this >>> build on Ubuntu 10.4, and was not due to user error. >>> There were no special configurations with Linode >>> either as far as automatic replicating and so forth. >>> The configuration I provided was completely verbatim. >>> And again, the problem wasn't "installing" WebDNA, it >>> was a bug in the behavior of it. >>>=20 >>> I like using Ubuntu + Apache. Setting up virtual hosts >>> in this environment is intuitive and comfortable for >>> me. Next time around, I'll give CentOS and Lighhtpd a >>> go. >>>=20 >>> On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>> Chris, >>>>=20 >>>> It seems his db's are being replicated in different >>>> states. >>>>=20 >>>> Either that or he is not telling us everything about >>>> his testing and observations, which wouldn't make >>>> sense if he wants us to help him get webdna working >>>> on his system. >>>>=20 >>>> Without a link to a test page that actually works -- >>>> and continues to work until we help him figure out >>>> what's wrong -- we cannot do any testing ourselves. >>>>=20 >>>> Even better, he could offer to give one of us FTP >>>> access to the server root so we could run our own >>>> tests -- in ways we know are correct. Maybe then we >>>> could actually determine the cause of the problem, >>>> rather than trying to guess at it. >>>>=20 >>>> Having said this, it seems he may be leaving out >>>> important information about his configuration. >>>> You're the one who >>>>=20 >>>> noted this, I don't remember him saying anything about=20 > it: >>>>> I just found peru.kazwebworks.com is hosted on a >>>>> cloud server at linode.com... could it be possible >>>>> your website (and webdna) are automatically >>>>> replicated among several servers? >>>>=20 >>>> I think you may have hit the nail on the head here. >>>> This could easily be the problem. It explains >>>> everything he's been complaining about. >>>>=20 >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Kenneth Grome >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are >>>> subscribed to the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- This message is sent to you because you are >>> subscribed to the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-CB47FF75-09FB-4F35-980C-C587EDF078EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 It sounds like there is a n= eed for a hosting company with preconfigured virtual servers ru= nning say umbutu and 7.0? Then developers can get out of the server ad= min business.
Anyone know if someone is alrea= dy doing that?
Frank
I thi= nk part of your frustration is and will continue to
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
be this: If you don't want to be a server adm= in, don'tset up a ho= sting server. As soon as you set up a server,
that is all you end up doing (often to the detrimen= t of
development).
The best advice in this thread so far is: l= et someone
else do yo= ur hosting. I was given the same advice from
some of the same people, and they are very right. Se= rver
problems become v= ery close personal problems. Your
customers' sites depend on your server, and your server<= br>
depends on you. It sounds li= ke a great idea... and it
<= span>would be if you had someone else to manage the server
while you develop, or vice-versa. But a= single person
trying= to balance development, marketing, and server
administration is a great recipe for severe health=
problems, outright f= ailure, or both.
I can say from experienc= e that Zarcrom provides wonderful
service. I have had php hosting through GoDaddy for
<= /blockquote>years, and Zarcrom's speed, perf= ormance, and uptime are
second to none. I think Ken Grome hosts, as do several
others on the distro.
Anyway, glad to hear that your problems are fixed... But,<= /span>
if you take anything a= way from this, take this: If you
don't want to be a server admin, don't set up a hosting
server.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:55 AM,
= <aaronmichaelmusic@g= mail.com> wrote:
Hey guys. Sorry, I hate to be that frustrated guy, and=
I certainly hit a high point last night, but this has
been a strange few days of things just breaking down
=
and falling apart around me (friends dying,
<= /blockquote>relati= onships ending, vehicles breaking down, and so
on). = At any rate, I still really like WebDNA and just
lost my p= atience.
Last night though, I did get a s= etup with Ubuntu 11.10
working with WebDNA7 (replacing the l= ibssl.so file)
just fine with the same configuration I was= using. I
was not able to reproduce the funky databa= se behavior.
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
So I do believe that there= is a real problem with this
build on Ubuntu 10.4, and was= not due to user error.
There were no special configurati= ons with Linode
either as far as automatic replicating and= so forth.
The configuration I provided was completely ve= rbatim.
And again, the problem wasn't "installing" WebDNA= , it
was a bug in the behavior of it.
I like using Ubuntu + Apache. Setting up virtual host= s
in this environment is intuitive and comfortable for
me. Next time around, I'll give CentOS and Lighhtpd a
go.
On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:5= 5 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote:
Chris= ,
It seems his db's are being replicate= d in different
state= s.
Either that or he is not telling u= s everything about
= his testing and observations, which wouldn't make
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">sense if he wants us to help him get webdna w= orking
on his syste= m.
Without a link to a test page that= actually works --
= and continues to work until we help him figure out
= what's wrong -- we cannot do any testing our= selves.
=
Even better, he could offer t= o give one of us FTP
access to the server root so we could run our own
<= /blockquote>
tests -- in ways we know are correct. = ;Maybe then we
could= actually determine the cause of the problem,
rather than trying to guess at it.
Having said this, it seems he may be leaving out
important information= about his configuration.
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
You're the one who
=
noted this,= I don't remember him saying anything about
it:
I jus= t found peru.kazwebworks.com is h= osted on a
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">cloud server at linode.com... could it be possible
=
your website (an= d webdna) are automatically
replicated among several se= rvers?
I think you may h= ave hit the nail on the head here.
This could easily be the problem. It explains<= br>
everything he's been compl= aining about.
Sincerely,
Kenneth Grome
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--Apple-Mail-CB47FF75-09FB-4F35-980C-C587EDF078EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It sounds like there is a need for a hosting company with preconfigured vir= tual servers running say umbutu and 7.0? Then developers can get out of the= server admin business.=20 Anyone know if someone is already doing that? Frank Frank@cwolfe.com >> I think part of your frustration is and will continue to >> be this: If you don't want to be a server admin, don't >> set up a hosting server. As soon as you set up a server, >> that is all you end up doing (often to the detriment of >> development). >>=20 >> The best advice in this thread so far is: let someone >> else do your hosting. I was given the same advice from >> some of the same people, and they are very right. Server >> problems become very close personal problems. Your >> customers' sites depend on your server, and your server >> depends on you. It sounds like a great idea... and it >> would be if you had someone else to manage the server >> while you develop, or vice-versa. But a single person >> trying to balance development, marketing, and server >> administration is a great recipe for severe health >> problems, outright failure, or both. >>=20 >> I can say from experience that Zarcrom provides wonderful >> service. I have had php hosting through GoDaddy for >> years, and Zarcrom's speed, performance, and uptime are >> second to none. I think Ken Grome hosts, as do several >> others on the distro. >>=20 >> Anyway, glad to hear that your problems are fixed... But, >> if you take anything away from this, take this: If you >> don't want to be a server admin, don't set up a hosting >> server. >>=20 >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:55 AM, =20 > wrote: >>> Hey guys. Sorry, I hate to be that frustrated guy, and >>> I certainly hit a high point last night, but this has >>> been a strange few days of things just breaking down >>> and falling apart around me (friends dying, >>> relationships ending, vehicles breaking down, and so >>> on). At any rate, I still really like WebDNA and just >>> lost my patience. >>>=20 >>> Last night though, I did get a setup with Ubuntu 11.10 >>> working with WebDNA7 (replacing the libssl.so file) >>> just fine with the same configuration I was using. I >>> was not able to reproduce the funky database behavior. >>>=20 >>> So I do believe that there is a real problem with this >>> build on Ubuntu 10.4, and was not due to user error. >>> There were no special configurations with Linode >>> either as far as automatic replicating and so forth. >>> The configuration I provided was completely verbatim. >>> And again, the problem wasn't "installing" WebDNA, it >>> was a bug in the behavior of it. >>>=20 >>> I like using Ubuntu + Apache. Setting up virtual hosts >>> in this environment is intuitive and comfortable for >>> me. Next time around, I'll give CentOS and Lighhtpd a >>> go. >>>=20 >>> On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>> Chris, >>>>=20 >>>> It seems his db's are being replicated in different >>>> states. >>>>=20 >>>> Either that or he is not telling us everything about >>>> his testing and observations, which wouldn't make >>>> sense if he wants us to help him get webdna working >>>> on his system. >>>>=20 >>>> Without a link to a test page that actually works -- >>>> and continues to work until we help him figure out >>>> what's wrong -- we cannot do any testing ourselves. >>>>=20 >>>> Even better, he could offer to give one of us FTP >>>> access to the server root so we could run our own >>>> tests -- in ways we know are correct. Maybe then we >>>> could actually determine the cause of the problem, >>>> rather than trying to guess at it. >>>>=20 >>>> Having said this, it seems he may be leaving out >>>> important information about his configuration. >>>> You're the one who >>>>=20 >>>> noted this, I don't remember him saying anything about=20 > it: >>>>> I just found peru.kazwebworks.com is hosted on a >>>>> cloud server at linode.com... could it be possible >>>>> your website (and webdna) are automatically >>>>> replicated among several servers? >>>>=20 >>>> I think you may have hit the nail on the head here. >>>> This could easily be the problem. It explains >>>> everything he's been complaining about. >>>>=20 >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Kenneth Grome >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are >>>> subscribed to the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>=20 >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- This message is sent to you because you are >>> subscribed to the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-CB47FF75-09FB-4F35-980C-C587EDF078EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 It sounds like there is a n= eed for a hosting company with preconfigured virtual servers ru= nning say umbutu and 7.0? Then developers can get out of the server ad= min business.
Anyone know if someone is alrea= dy doing that?
Frank
I thi= nk part of your frustration is and will continue to
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
be this: If you don't want to be a server adm= in, don'tset up a ho= sting server. As soon as you set up a server,
that is all you end up doing (often to the detrimen= t of
development).
The best advice in this thread so far is: l= et someone
else do yo= ur hosting. I was given the same advice from
some of the same people, and they are very right. Se= rver
problems become v= ery close personal problems. Your
customers' sites depend on your server, and your server<= br>
depends on you. It sounds li= ke a great idea... and it
<= span>would be if you had someone else to manage the server
while you develop, or vice-versa. But a= single person
trying= to balance development, marketing, and server
administration is a great recipe for severe health=
problems, outright f= ailure, or both.
I can say from experienc= e that Zarcrom provides wonderful
service. I have had php hosting through GoDaddy for
<= /blockquote>years, and Zarcrom's speed, perf= ormance, and uptime are
second to none. I think Ken Grome hosts, as do several
others on the distro.
Anyway, glad to hear that your problems are fixed... But,<= /span>
if you take anything a= way from this, take this: If you
don't want to be a server admin, don't set up a hosting
server.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:55 AM,
= <aaronmichaelmusic@g= mail.com> wrote:
Hey guys. Sorry, I hate to be that frustrated guy, and=
I certainly hit a high point last night, but this has
been a strange few days of things just breaking down
=
and falling apart around me (friends dying,
<= /blockquote>relati= onships ending, vehicles breaking down, and so
on). = At any rate, I still really like WebDNA and just
lost my p= atience.
Last night though, I did get a s= etup with Ubuntu 11.10
working with WebDNA7 (replacing the l= ibssl.so file)
just fine with the same configuration I was= using. I
was not able to reproduce the funky databa= se behavior.
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
So I do believe that there= is a real problem with this
build on Ubuntu 10.4, and was= not due to user error.
There were no special configurati= ons with Linode
either as far as automatic replicating and= so forth.
The configuration I provided was completely ve= rbatim.
And again, the problem wasn't "installing" WebDNA= , it
was a bug in the behavior of it.
I like using Ubuntu + Apache. Setting up virtual host= s
in this environment is intuitive and comfortable for
me. Next time around, I'll give CentOS and Lighhtpd a
go.
On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:5= 5 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote:
Chris= ,
It seems his db's are being replicate= d in different
state= s.
Either that or he is not telling u= s everything about
= his testing and observations, which wouldn't make
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">sense if he wants us to help him get webdna w= orking
on his syste= m.
Without a link to a test page that= actually works --
= and continues to work until we help him figure out
= what's wrong -- we cannot do any testing our= selves.
=
Even better, he could offer t= o give one of us FTP
access to the server root so we could run our own
<= /blockquote>
tests -- in ways we know are correct. = ;Maybe then we
could= actually determine the cause of the problem,
rather than trying to guess at it.
Having said this, it seems he may be leaving out
important information= about his configuration.
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
You're the one who
=
noted this,= I don't remember him saying anything about
it:
I jus= t found peru.kazwebworks.com is h= osted on a
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">cloud server at linode.com... could it be possible
=
your website (an= d webdna) are automatically
replicated among several se= rvers?
I think you may h= ave hit the nail on the head here.
This could easily be the problem. It explains<= br>
everything he's been compl= aining about.
Sincerely,
Kenneth Grome
-------------------------------------= -----------------
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