On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McCormick <duganmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:I recently upgraded a =server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been using: futurehosting.com---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usI have a dedicated =machine, second from the max size. In addition to cPanel, that =level of contract includes WHM, which is an administration level that =allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to get a =working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used by =anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting =environment.If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I will =provide hosting for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPanel =& WebDNA for anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting =company.On Sep =29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> =wrote:Hey Brian... I think the gist =is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The list is here to try and =help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t always have the the =time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against them. Stuart =is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respect that =goes with that.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usIn short... us long-time members will always try to help if =we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot =;-)Cheers.DonovanD. Brooke =MobileFYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME =OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL =SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU =FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK =YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE =PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!On Sat, Sep =28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:I have really leaned another one of this life's =lessons today.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55=Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usAs =any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an active =member of this list for 20+ years.During this time I have learned so much =about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, =and others that have since moved on.I have always tried hard to return the =favour and as such at times have gone far and beyond the task of =offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the community from which my =skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I have been =contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.I have seen many users over the years =with configuration problems, in particular the last few weeks with =Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote the instructions a week or so =ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I =even went as far as to provide an image of the same available to anyone =that would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would become a quick =easy solution for members of this list to implement.I had a number of people =request a copy of this image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One =user requested that I build an image that anyone could use on any =platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers as each cloud =provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting =configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you follow =the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.And then along came =Brian Harrington.I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have =done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I =extend to all members of this list.Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu =18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered to meet him on Skype to help =him get past his hurdle - less than a minute later I had connected to =the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as to =how that was achieved, and had not received the image that I had shared =with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and so that he =didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the installation =from the instructions that I had published.Less than 20 minutes later Brian was =the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.04 server complete with a working =installation of WebDNA server that was only requiring a license =number.As you =will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also =installed on the Droplet.What happened next is purely comical, if I published the =emails that I received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus =the repeated advice that I gave, you would see exactly where =Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.=46rom here all Brian needed to do was =upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts - at =this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the standard file =extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.As an additional task I =set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on 443 with the ssl =certificate that he supplied so that he could have a working =reference.However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new =directory /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, =remember this is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux =server, he has had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he =had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99=t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache =configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have =a FTP client.Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you =expressing my concern that if you work outside the standard installation =you would break it.For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his =questions, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80==99s emails were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that =I was not able to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time =difference.Then= on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from =Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for =him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him =that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.So it is now Sunday =morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this morning after have =a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usually quiet WebDNA =list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his =installation.What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are =comments pointed to myself by Brian such as:"TalkList members say they will =help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't has access to email or =skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up to =fail...!!!=E2=80=9DBrian had a very large VHost file that he =moved from his Mac server to the Linux environment without any =alterations. He believes that it was easier to change the configuration =of the Linux/Apache server than to use search and replace on his VHost =file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Permissions and the =relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has =said:" I have no idea why Stuart thinks =/Library/Webserver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list =share folder and everything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking =advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers =really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense.So= Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% =operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the =/var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences =checked, and had simply changed the root locations in =your vhost configuration file simply with a search and replace with =your text editor. If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given =or you could have even asked me to do it you would have had a fully =functional server many days ago.Now I would like =to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have made about =me.-----------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usBrian =HarringtonAuto Glass Xpress2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063Getzville, NY 14068(716) =861-2029
On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McCormick <duganmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:I recently upgraded a =server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been using: futurehosting.com---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usI have a dedicated =machine, second from the max size. In addition to cPanel, that =level of contract includes WHM, which is an administration level that =allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to get a =working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used by =anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting =environment.If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I will =provide hosting for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPanel =& WebDNA for anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting =company.On Sep =29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> =wrote:Hey Brian... I think the gist =is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. The list is here to try and =help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2=80=99t always have the the =time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against them. Stuart =is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respect that =goes with that.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usIn short... us long-time members will always try to help if =we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot =;-)Cheers.DonovanD. Brooke =MobileFYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME =OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL =SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU =FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK =YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE =PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!On Sat, Sep =28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:I have really leaned another one of this life's =lessons today.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55=Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usAs =any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an active =member of this list for 20+ years.During this time I have learned so much =about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, =and others that have since moved on.I have always tried hard to return the =favour and as such at times have gone far and beyond the task of =offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the community from which my =skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I have been =contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.I have seen many users over the years =with configuration problems, in particular the last few weeks with =Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote the instructions a week or so =ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I =even went as far as to provide an image of the same available to anyone =that would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would become a quick =easy solution for members of this list to implement.I had a number of people =request a copy of this image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One =user requested that I build an image that anyone could use on any =platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers as each cloud =provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting =configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you follow =the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.And then along came =Brian Harrington.I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have =done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I =extend to all members of this list.Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu =18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered to meet him on Skype to help =him get past his hurdle - less than a minute later I had connected to =the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as to =how that was achieved, and had not received the image that I had shared =with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and so that he =didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the installation =from the instructions that I had published.Less than 20 minutes later Brian was =the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.04 server complete with a working =installation of WebDNA server that was only requiring a license =number.As you =will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also =installed on the Droplet.What happened next is purely comical, if I published the =emails that I received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus =the repeated advice that I gave, you would see exactly where =Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.=46rom here all Brian needed to do was =upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts - at =this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the standard file =extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.As an additional task I =set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on 443 with the ssl =certificate that he supplied so that he could have a working =reference.However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new =directory /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, =remember this is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux =server, he has had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he =had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99=t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache =configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have =a FTP client.Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you =expressing my concern that if you work outside the standard installation =you would break it.For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his =questions, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80==99s emails were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that =I was not able to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time =difference.Then= on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from =Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for =him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him =that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.So it is now Sunday =morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this morning after have =a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usually quiet WebDNA =list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his =installation.What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are =comments pointed to myself by Brian such as:"TalkList members say they will =help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't has access to email or =skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up to =fail...!!!=E2=80=9DBrian had a very large VHost file that he =moved from his Mac server to the Linux environment without any =alterations. He believes that it was easier to change the configuration =of the Linux/Apache server than to use search and replace on his VHost =file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Permissions and the =relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has =said:" I have no idea why Stuart thinks =/Library/Webserver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list =share folder and everything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking =advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers =really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense.So= Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% =operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the =/var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences =checked, and had simply changed the root locations in =your vhost configuration file simply with a search and replace with =your text editor. If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given =or you could have even asked me to do it you would have had a fully =functional server many days ago.Now I would like =to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have made about =me.-----------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usBrian =HarringtonAuto Glass Xpress2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063Getzville, NY 14068(716) =861-2029
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