Re: [WebDNA] Brian Harrington

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texte = 2483 --000000000000308ebe0593d7e012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Patrick... I only host my own stuff and it's easy working on websites right on the server so u can see instant result of your work. Once my Mac is setup and it's usually just minutes now it seems to run forever and is very fast and stable. I tried Digital Ocean (DO) and the sites went don't numerous times for no reason and I was not even doing anything on the droplet and I spent endless hours just trying to figure out where things were on their 2 sites (admin and website) that are so similar I got lost between them many times... And their forms I have no idea what the input should be and they offer no examples. I would still need my computer to build sites on and I spent a half day just researching and trying things to accomplish that... I seen and tried examples to modify the temperamental host file that did not work and I ordered a switch/router through Amazon as I know that worked for me in the past... my Desktop was a mess working on the DO project... I had their web pages open... their admin... the terminal window... FTP software... text editor... skype and all that just to work remotely via FTP...? I'm fluid in HTML and WebDna and can figure out what I need done in Javascript and CSS and that's all you needed in the past. I really need to learn Front-End and responsive design and glad u mentioned Wordpress that I could not install anyways on my older Mac and now settling in on my newer one could. I'm looking at Material Design for Bootstrap (MDB)...??? On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:09 AM Patrick McCormick wrote: > Hey Brian - that is really weird. I have never tried multiple ethernet > connections on the same address because I just assumed that it couldn=E2= =80=99t > possibly work that way. > > One of the best things about cloud hosting is never ever having to think > about that sort of stuff again. Ever. Every diol of hardware is configur= ed > redundantly. As soon as a data center gets a new server blade installed > into a rack, its components - RAM, CPU, disk, etc., are inventoried and > optimally distributed to that company=E2=80=99s customers. There is no > relationship between what server specs I buy and any specific machines in > the data center. Everything is abstracted so that anything can fail witho= ut > interrupting any services. It gets pretty confusing but products like > vSphere are what data centers use to manage their equipment. That system > just tells them how much additional CPU, RAM & disk they need to keep up > with current load and they can also buy in bulk from Amazon, Google, > Facebook, etc., if they need quick additional capacity while they wait fo= r > delivery of physical equipment. > > The other thing I learned by using WordPress is that WebDNA developers > operate at a fraction of the typical website load that other content > management systems typically use. Because WordPress comes with a back en= d > & pre-packaged code for themes & plugins, it really =E2=80=9Cshits the be= d=E2=80=9D in > terms of cookies, variables, threads, and endless cruft just to be able t= o > keep track of everything. PHP settings usually require a minimum of 2500 > page variables and timeouts in excess of 180 seconds. WordPress is a > resource hog many thousands of times larger than WebDAN simply because > WebDNA is just a blinking cursor. There is no environment for themes, > plugins, and there is no content management back end at all. You have to > build all of that from scratch. > > I say get rid of any responsibilities you can - especially hosting. If > WordPress can spin up a presentable website in a few clicks, complete wit= h > back end content management interface and unique theme, then there ought = to > be a relatively straight forward way to add WebDNA to that environment so > that we can build any unique functions using WebDNA syntax and have those > functions appear wherever needed within WordPress (or, ultimately any > other) CMS. > > I don=E2=80=99t know why or how Mac can assign the same IP to 2 different= physical > ports, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t want my clients websites running on top of = a mystery, > if I can avoid it. In my case, if I felt that anything was operating > slowly, I would just send a tech support ticket saying =E2=80=9Cit seems = too slow=E2=80=9D > and let them figure it out. I=E2=80=99m done deciphering back end spooky = nonsense > when there readily available, trained armies who are far better than me & > my Mac. > > Dumping responsibility makes a more stable server, and that certainly > includes hosting. A managed server is fully redundant, automatically > backed up and even client billings are fully automatic - to the point > where, should a credit card get declined, the timer to automatically > disable hosting goes into effect & that client is notified by email. The > less code I write, the less chance for any problems that I might cause. > THere=E2=80=99s a huge war chest of pre-build & fully tested code availab= le from > places like GitHub. Those represent all the people who have encountered > and solved the same problems I=E2=80=99ve run into, but they solved it wi= th an > entire group of contributors, any one of which are probably smarter than > me. Don=E2=80=99t I owe the best possible solutions to my clients? Then = why would > I screw up my responsibility by thinking for a moment that my single mind > might hold the best answers? I=E2=80=99m pretty sure those gangs would c= rush me > every time. As a programmer, I tend to immediately attack every challenge > with my own code, but that=E2=80=99s a hopelessly egotistic reaction for = which my > clients and I will both suffer. The correct response is the question - > =E2=80=9CWho=E2=80=99s already done the best job of solving this already?= =E2=80=9D And ironically, > it=E2=80=99s the same coder=E2=80=99s ego that motivates all those progra= mmers to show off > all that great coding ability in places like GitHub. Think of the man yea= rs > of proven, tested, free code that=E2=80=99s just sitting there, free for = the taking. > > > > > On Oct 1, 2019, at 12:43 AM, Brian Harrington > wrote: > > I know none of you care what I have to say and some of my ideas are off > the wall... but this might help someone with slow Apache or slow internet > connections. > > My newer (2009) more powerful Mac Pro 12 core 3.46/ 128GM ram/ 4 1TB SSD'= s > in RAID seemed to have fast speedtest but Apache still took about 30 > seconds to deliver my web pages > and my older (2008) Mac with about 1/4 the horsepower was always very > quick (instantly)in delivering my web pages until suddenly it's connectio= n > 400/20 will only max out at about 175/20 and took about 30 seconds or mor= e > to deliver web pages. I tried every config on my router and network > settings and even tried 2 ethernet connections (different ip's) and still > slow page loads. And just now I accidentally had my two ethernet > connections at the same DHCP 192.168.0.2 and it cut the page loads into > less than half... Not sure if it matters but the remote DNS are reversed = on > the 2 connections... images attached. > > It also might create a very little Redundancy if one ethernet port should > fail... attached images. > > Note: Deleted my Digital Ocean account as page loads the few times my > sites were working there are about the same as my home connection now and > building site via FTP is a pain and slow... > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:51 PM Stuart Tremain > wrote: > >> Hi Patrick >> >> Unfortunately you can=E2=80=99t rely on the WebDNA url(s) being current. >> >> We have found recently that there is an Apache config that needs to be >> put into an override file, none of this is included in the WebDNA Server >> edition installers. >> >> If you want to make this happen I would concentrate on the fcgi version >> as this is designed to be relevant to the domain root rather than servic= ing >> the entire machine, so in keeping with the cPanel concept. A user would >> install WebDNA or PHP (not both), that is where WebDNA needs to go to wi= den >> the use of the language. Getting in peoples faces is the way to go, curi= ous >> users would then at least look into the language and hopefully give it a= go. >> >> I can=E2=80=99t see why it could not be achieved, but then I have never = done >> anything more than use cPanel as a user. >> >> I would really like to see this happen. >> >> Patrick it may be more appropriate to change this subject to cPanel & >> WebDNA >> >> Kind regards >> >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1 Oct 2019, at 10:33, Patrick McCormick >> wrote: >> >> Yes, Stuart, >> >> Not only do I have access to the full machine, I have a 24/7 staff that >> is willing to help with anything I ask them for. They have been >> outstanding. It might work out great. >> >> I know I would probably have to make some sort of configuration utility >> for cPanel & make a pretty icon, but cPanle is very well documented and = I >> don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s much more than linking a cPanel icon to= the WebDNA config >> URL(s), once the software is properly installed in whatever version of u= nix. >> >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Tremain >> wrote: >> >> Hi Patrick >> >> The addition of WebDNA into the app library of cPanel would be a great >> boost for WebDNA.. >> >> Many years ago I shopped around different hosting companies for them to >> make WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - none were willing. >> >> If you have total access to your machine and are familiar with the OS on >> the machine and the workings of cPanel then it would be a worthwhile >> exercise to get it going. Your best bet on getting help to achieve this >> would be a cPanel support group as I am pretty sure that there is no-one >> using WebDNA on cPanel. >> >> Long term it would be beneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to >> have WebDNA installed via cPanel. >> >> I for one would be very interested in what you can achieve. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McCormick >> wrote: >> >> I recently upgraded a server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been us= ing: >> futurehosting.com >> >> I have a dedicated machine, second from the max size. In addition to >> cPanel, that level of contract includes WHM, which is an administration >> level that allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to g= et >> a working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used by >> anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting environmen= t. >> >> If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I will provide hosting >> for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPanel & WebDNA for any= one >> needing it for a cPanel hosting company. >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >> >> Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. >> The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2= =80=99t >> always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that ag= ainst them. >> Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respe= ct >> that goes with that. >> >> In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can. Just >> don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-) >> >> Cheers. >> Donovan >> >> D. Brooke Mobile >> >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington >> wrote: >> >> FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL >> ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING O= N >> DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIE= W >> ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAK= E >> MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE *HELPS OTHERS!!!* >> >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain >> wrote: >> >>> I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. >>> >>> As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an >>> active member of this list for 20+ years. >>> >>> During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from >>> people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since mo= ved >>> on. >>> >>> I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have >>> gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving ba= ck >>> to the community from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the >>> reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world= .. >>> >>> I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, in >>> particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I >>> wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fr= esh >>> installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an imag= e of >>> the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that >>> WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to >>> implement. >>> >>> I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom hav= e >>> taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyon= e >>> could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud serve= rs >>> as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their >>> hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you >>> follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. >>> >>> And then along came Brian Harrington. >>> >>> I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done for >>> Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to = all >>> members of this list. >>> >>> Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. = I >>> offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less tha= n a >>> minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ss= h, >>> Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not recei= ved >>> the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make thin= gs >>> easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply comp= leted the >>> installation from the instructions that I had published. >>> >>> Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu >>> 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that= was >>> only requiring a license number. >>> >>> As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin i= s >>> also installed on the Droplet. >>> >>> What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that I >>> received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated >>> advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s proble= ms are. >>> >>> From here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to >>> /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 1= 00% >>> functional with all the standard file extensions that are installed wit= h >>> the WebDNA installer. >>> >>> As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other o= n >>> 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a >>> working reference. >>> >>> However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory >>> /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember t= his >>> is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, he h= as >>> had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good sense= of >>> being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use t= he installed >>> Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by uploading files wit= h >>> FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. >>> >>> Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my >>> concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would br= eak >>> it. >>> >>> For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, >>> provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s ema= ils were >>> interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able = to >>> answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. >>> >>> Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email fro= m >>> Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for = him >>> too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him th= at >>> in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. >>> >>> So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer thi= s >>> morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the = usually quiet WebDNA >>> list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation= .. >>> >>> What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are comments >>> pointed to myself by Brian such as: >>> "*TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and >>> suddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than >>> someone setting you up to fail...!!!*=E2=80=9D >>> >>> Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to >>> the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it was >>> easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to u= se >>> search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate d= irectly to >>> Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian ha= s >>> said: >>> " *I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna >>> be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.*= =E2=80=9D, >>> I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubu= ntu >>> 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. >>> >>> So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% >>> operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the >>> /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked= , >>> and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration f= ile >>> simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened= to >>> the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to = do >>> it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago. >>> >>> Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that yo= u >>> have made about me. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Stuart Tremain >>> Pharoah Lane Software >>> AUSTRALIA >>> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message >>> is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list >>> talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us >>> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: >>> support@webdna.us >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Harrington >> Auto Glass Xpress >> 2655 Millersport Hwy. 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Thanks Patrick... I only host my own stuff and it's ea= sy working on websites right on the server so u can see instant result of y= our work. Once my Mac is setup and it's usually just minutes now it see= ms to run forever and is very fast and stable. I tried Digital Ocean (DO) a= nd the sites went don't numerous times for no reason and I was not even= doing anything on the droplet and I spent endless hours just trying to fig= ure out where things were on their 2 sites (admin and website) that are so = similar I got lost between them many times... And their forms I have no ide= a what the input should be and they offer no examples. I would still need m= y computer to build sites on and I spent a half day just researching and tr= ying things=C2=A0 to accomplish=C2=A0that... I seen and tried examples to m= odify the temperamental host file that did not work and I ordered a switch/= router through Amazon as I know that worked for me in the past... my Deskto= p was a mess working on the DO project... I had their web pages open... the= ir admin... the terminal window... FTP software... text editor... skype and= all that just to work remotely via FTP...? I'm fluid in HTML and WebDn= a and can figure out what I need done in Javascript and CSS and that's = all you needed in the past. I really need to learn Front-End and responsive= design and glad u mentioned Wordpress that I could not install anyways on = my older Mac and now settling in on my newer one could. I'm looking at = Material Design for Bootstrap (MDB)...???

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:09 AM Pat= rick McCormick <duganmccormi= ck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Brian - that is r= eally weird.=C2=A0 I have never tried multiple ethernet connections on the = same address because I just assumed that it couldn=E2=80=99t possibly work = that way.

One of the best things about cloud hosting is = never ever having to think about that sort of stuff again. Ever.=C2=A0 Ever= y diol of hardware is configured redundantly.=C2=A0 As soon as a data cente= r gets a new server blade installed into a rack, its components - RAM, CPU,= disk, etc., are inventoried and optimally distributed to that company=E2= =80=99s customers.=C2=A0 There is no relationship between what server specs= I buy and any specific machines in the data center. Everything is abstract= ed so that anything can fail without interrupting any services. It gets pre= tty confusing but products like vSphere are what data centers use to manage= their equipment.=C2=A0 That system just tells them how much additional CPU= , RAM & disk they need to keep up with current load and they can also b= uy in bulk from Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc., if they need quick addition= al capacity while they wait for delivery of physical equipment.
<= br>
The other thing I learned by using WordPress is that WebDNA d= evelopers operate at a fraction of the typical website load that other cont= ent management systems typically use.=C2=A0 Because WordPress comes with a = back end & pre-packaged code for themes & plugins, it really =E2=80= =9Cshits the bed=E2=80=9D in terms of cookies, variables, threads, and endl= ess cruft just to be able to keep track of everything.=C2=A0 PHP settings u= sually require a minimum of 2500 page variables and timeouts in excess of 1= 80 seconds.=C2=A0 WordPress is a resource hog many thousands of times large= r than WebDAN simply because WebDNA is just a blinking cursor.=C2=A0 There = is no environment for themes, plugins, and there is no content management b= ack end at all.=C2=A0 You have to build all of that from scratch.

I say get rid of any responsibilities you can - especially = hosting.=C2=A0 If WordPress can spin up a presentable website in a few clic= ks, complete with back end content management interface and unique theme, t= hen there ought to be a relatively straight forward way to add WebDNA to th= at environment so that we can build any unique functions using WebDNA synta= x and have those functions appear wherever needed within WordPress (or, ult= imately any other) CMS.

I don=E2=80=99t know why o= r how Mac can assign the same IP to 2 different physical ports, but I would= n=E2=80=99t want my clients websites running on top of a mystery, if I can = avoid it.=C2=A0 In my case, if I felt that anything was operating slowly, I= would just send a tech support ticket saying =E2=80=9Cit seems too slow=E2= =80=9D and let them figure it out. I=E2=80=99m done deciphering back end sp= ooky nonsense when there readily available, trained armies who are far bett= er than me & my Mac.

Dumping responsibility ma= kes a more stable server, and that certainly includes hosting.=C2=A0 A mana= ged server is fully redundant, automatically backed up and even client bill= ings are fully automatic - to the point where, should a credit card get dec= lined, the timer to automatically disable hosting goes into effect & th= at client is notified by email.=C2=A0 The less code I write, the less chanc= e for any problems that I might cause.=C2=A0 THere=E2=80=99s a huge war che= st of pre-build & fully tested code available from places like GitHub.= =C2=A0 Those represent all the people who have encountered and solved the s= ame problems I=E2=80=99ve run into, but they solved it with an entire group= of contributors, any one of which are probably smarter than me.=C2=A0 Don= =E2=80=99t I owe the best possible solutions to my clients? Then why would = I screw up my responsibility by thinking for a moment that my single mind m= ight hold the best answers?=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m pretty sure those gangs would= crush me every time. As a programmer, I tend to immediately attack every c= hallenge with my own code, but that=E2=80=99s a hopelessly egotistic reacti= on for which my clients and I will both suffer. The correct response is the= question - =E2=80=9CWho=E2=80=99s already done the best job of solving thi= s already?=E2=80=9D And ironically, it=E2=80=99s the same coder=E2=80=99s e= go that motivates all those programmers to show off all that great coding a= bility in places like GitHub. Think of the man years of proven, tested, fre= e code that=E2=80=99s just sitting there, free for the taking.



On = Oct 1, 2019, at 12:43 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
=
I know none of you care what I have to say and so= me of my ideas are off the wall... but this might help someone with slow Ap= ache or slow internet connections.

My newer (2009) more = powerful Mac Pro 12 core 3.46/ 128GM ram/ 4 1TB SSD's in RAID seemed to= have fast speedtest but Apache still took about 30 seconds to deliver my w= eb pages
=C2=A0and my older (2008) Mac with about 1/4 the horsepo= wer was always very quick (instantly)in delivering my web pages until sudde= nly it's connection 400/20 will only max out at about 175/20 and took a= bout 30 seconds or more to deliver web pages. I tried every config on my ro= uter and network settings and even tried 2 ethernet connections (different = ip's) and still slow page loads. And just now I accidentally=C2=A0had m= y two ethernet connections at the same DHCP 192.168.0.2 and it cut the page= loads into less than half... Not sure if it matters but the remote DNS are= reversed on the 2 connections... images attached.

It also might create a very little=C2=A0Re= dundancy if one ethernet port should fail... attached images.=C2=A0<= /div>

Note: Deleted my Digital Ocean account as page loa= ds the few times my sites were working there are about the same as my home = connection now and building site via FTP is a pain and slow...
<= br>
On Mon,= Sep 30, 2019 at 8:51 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
<= /div>
Hi Patrick
=
Unfortunately you can=E2=80=99t rely on the WebDNA url(s) be= ing current.

We have found recently that there is = an Apache config that needs to be put into an override file, none of this i= s included in the WebDNA Server edition installers.

If you want to make this happen I would concentrate on the fcgi version a= s this is designed to be relevant to the domain root rather than servicing = the entire machine, so in keeping with the cPanel concept. A user would ins= tall WebDNA or PHP (not both), that is where WebDNA needs to go to widen th= e use of the language. Getting in peoples faces is the way to go, curious u= sers would then at least look into the language and hopefully give it a go.=

I can=E2=80=99t see why it could not be achieved,= but then I have never done anything more than use cPanel as a user.
<= div>
I would really like to see this happen.

Patrick it may be more appropriate to change this subject to cPane= l & WebDNA

= Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane= Software
AUSTRALIA







On 1 Oct 2019, at 10:33, Patrick Mc= Cormick <d= uganmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, Stuart,
=
Not only do I have access to the full machine, I have a 24/7= staff that is willing to help with anything I ask them for.=C2=A0 They hav= e been outstanding.=C2=A0 It might work out great.

I know I would probably have to make some sort of configuration utility fo= r cPanel & make a pretty icon, but cPanle is very well documented and I= don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s much more than linking a cPanel icon to t= he WebDNA config URL(s), once the software is properly installed in whateve= r version of unix.



On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au<= /a>> wrote:

Hi Patrick

The additio= n of WebDNA into the app library of cPanel would be a great boost for WebDN= A..

Many years ago I shopped around different host= ing companies for them to make WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - n= one were willing.

If you have total access to your= machine and are familiar with the OS on the machine and the workings of cP= anel then it would be a worthwhile exercise to get it going. Your best bet = on getting help to achieve this would be a cPanel support group as I am pre= tty sure that there is no-one using WebDNA on cPanel.

<= div>Long term it would be beneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to= have WebDNA installed via cPanel.

I for one would= be very interested in what you can achieve.




On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick Mc= Cormick <d= uganmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently upgrad= ed a server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been using: =C2=A0futurehosting.com
=
I have a dedicated machine, second from the max size.=C2=A0 = In addition to cPanel, that level of contract includes WHM, which is an adm= inistration level that allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to= try to get a working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be= used by anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting envi= ronment. =C2=A0

If I can get WebDNA functioning on= this server, I will provide hosting for redistribution for the fresh insta= llation of cPanel & WebDNA for anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting c= ompany.




On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:
Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is grea= t that you are using WebDNA. The list is here to try and help. Unfortunatel= y, the users here don=E2=80=99t always have the the time / resources to hel= p. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against them. Stuart is a one of a very few cham= pions of WebDNA. He deserves the respect that goes with that.=C2=A0
In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we = can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-)

Cheers.
Donovan=C2=A0

D. Brooke Mobile

On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM,= Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME= OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL= SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR= "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SA= ID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON TH= E FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stu= art Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
I have really leaned another one of this li= fe's lessons today.

As any member of this list will = may or may not know I have been an active member of this list for 20+ years= ..

During this time I have learned so much about th= e use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others t= hat have since moved on.

I have always tried hard = to return the favour and as such at times have gone far and beyond the task= of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the community from which m= y skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I have been contracte= d by WebDNA users from around the world.

I have se= en many users over the years with configuration problems, in particular the= last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote the instruc= tions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installation of U= buntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image of the same availab= le to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would become a= quick easy solution for members of this list to implement.

<= /div>
I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of wh= om have taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that a= nyone could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud ser= vers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their = hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you fol= low the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.
And then along came Brian Harrington.=C2=A0

I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done f= or Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to a= ll members of this list.

Brian was unable to log i= nto the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered to meet him on Skyp= e to help him get past his hurdle - less than a minute later I had connecte= d to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as = to how that was achieved, and had not received the image that I had shared = with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and so that he didn=E2= =80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the installation from the i= nstructions=C2=A0that I had published.

Less than 2= 0 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.04 server comp= lete with a working installation of WebDNA server that was only requiring a= license number.

As you will know, if you have rea= d the published instructions, Webmin is also installed on the Droplet.

What happened next is purely comical, if I published t= he emails that I received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus t= he repeated advice that I gave, =C2=A0you would see exactly where Brian=E2= =80=99s problems are.

From here all Brian needed t= o do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts = - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the standard file exten= sions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.

As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on = 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a worki= ng reference.

However Brian had other plans, he wa= nted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be the root directory o= f his webserver, remember this is the same person that has had no experienc= e with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Mac server so I believe= d that he had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian di= dn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache c= onfiguration by uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a F= TP client.

Brian, you may remember the Skype messa= ge that I sent you expressing my concern that if you work outside the stand= ard installation you would break it.

For the rest = of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, provide advice. = All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emails were interruptin= g. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able to answer him i= mmediately due to the 10 hour time difference.

The= n on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from Brian= - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for him too, = repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that in 19 = minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.

S= o it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this mor= ning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usually= quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his in= stallation.

What does surprise me, and leads me to= writing this email are comments pointed to myself by Brian such as:
<= div>"TalkList members say they will help... then they are GON= E and suddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse t= han someone setting you up to fail...!!!=E2=80=9D

Brian had a v= ery large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to the Linux environ= ment without any alterations. He believes that it was easier to change the = configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to use search and replace on = his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Permissions and= the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has said:=C2=A0
"=C2=A0I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna be = an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.=E2=80= =9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23=C2=A0operation= al Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense.

So Brian, if you had followed my ad= vice, you would have been 100% operational as soon as all your files had be= en uploaded to the /var/www/html=C2=A0directory and had their ownership and= preferences checked, and had=C2=A0simply changed the root=C2=A0locations i= n your=C2=A0vhost configuration file simply with a search and replace with = your text editor. If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given or= you could have even asked me to do it you would have had a fully functiona= l server many days ago.

Now I = would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have mad= e about me.
=C2=A0
Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
=
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2483 --000000000000308ebe0593d7e012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Patrick... I only host my own stuff and it's easy working on websites right on the server so u can see instant result of your work. Once my Mac is setup and it's usually just minutes now it seems to run forever and is very fast and stable. I tried Digital Ocean (DO) and the sites went don't numerous times for no reason and I was not even doing anything on the droplet and I spent endless hours just trying to figure out where things were on their 2 sites (admin and website) that are so similar I got lost between them many times... And their forms I have no idea what the input should be and they offer no examples. I would still need my computer to build sites on and I spent a half day just researching and trying things to accomplish that... I seen and tried examples to modify the temperamental host file that did not work and I ordered a switch/router through Amazon as I know that worked for me in the past... my Desktop was a mess working on the DO project... I had their web pages open... their admin... the terminal window... FTP software... text editor... skype and all that just to work remotely via FTP...? I'm fluid in HTML and WebDna and can figure out what I need done in Javascript and CSS and that's all you needed in the past. I really need to learn Front-End and responsive design and glad u mentioned Wordpress that I could not install anyways on my older Mac and now settling in on my newer one could. I'm looking at Material Design for Bootstrap (MDB)...??? On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:09 AM Patrick McCormick wrote: > Hey Brian - that is really weird. I have never tried multiple ethernet > connections on the same address because I just assumed that it couldn=E2= =80=99t > possibly work that way. > > One of the best things about cloud hosting is never ever having to think > about that sort of stuff again. Ever. Every diol of hardware is configur= ed > redundantly. As soon as a data center gets a new server blade installed > into a rack, its components - RAM, CPU, disk, etc., are inventoried and > optimally distributed to that company=E2=80=99s customers. There is no > relationship between what server specs I buy and any specific machines in > the data center. Everything is abstracted so that anything can fail witho= ut > interrupting any services. It gets pretty confusing but products like > vSphere are what data centers use to manage their equipment. That system > just tells them how much additional CPU, RAM & disk they need to keep up > with current load and they can also buy in bulk from Amazon, Google, > Facebook, etc., if they need quick additional capacity while they wait fo= r > delivery of physical equipment. > > The other thing I learned by using WordPress is that WebDNA developers > operate at a fraction of the typical website load that other content > management systems typically use. Because WordPress comes with a back en= d > & pre-packaged code for themes & plugins, it really =E2=80=9Cshits the be= d=E2=80=9D in > terms of cookies, variables, threads, and endless cruft just to be able t= o > keep track of everything. PHP settings usually require a minimum of 2500 > page variables and timeouts in excess of 180 seconds. WordPress is a > resource hog many thousands of times larger than WebDAN simply because > WebDNA is just a blinking cursor. There is no environment for themes, > plugins, and there is no content management back end at all. You have to > build all of that from scratch. > > I say get rid of any responsibilities you can - especially hosting. If > WordPress can spin up a presentable website in a few clicks, complete wit= h > back end content management interface and unique theme, then there ought = to > be a relatively straight forward way to add WebDNA to that environment so > that we can build any unique functions using WebDNA syntax and have those > functions appear wherever needed within WordPress (or, ultimately any > other) CMS. > > I don=E2=80=99t know why or how Mac can assign the same IP to 2 different= physical > ports, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t want my clients websites running on top of = a mystery, > if I can avoid it. In my case, if I felt that anything was operating > slowly, I would just send a tech support ticket saying =E2=80=9Cit seems = too slow=E2=80=9D > and let them figure it out. I=E2=80=99m done deciphering back end spooky = nonsense > when there readily available, trained armies who are far better than me & > my Mac. > > Dumping responsibility makes a more stable server, and that certainly > includes hosting. A managed server is fully redundant, automatically > backed up and even client billings are fully automatic - to the point > where, should a credit card get declined, the timer to automatically > disable hosting goes into effect & that client is notified by email. The > less code I write, the less chance for any problems that I might cause. > THere=E2=80=99s a huge war chest of pre-build & fully tested code availab= le from > places like GitHub. Those represent all the people who have encountered > and solved the same problems I=E2=80=99ve run into, but they solved it wi= th an > entire group of contributors, any one of which are probably smarter than > me. Don=E2=80=99t I owe the best possible solutions to my clients? Then = why would > I screw up my responsibility by thinking for a moment that my single mind > might hold the best answers? I=E2=80=99m pretty sure those gangs would c= rush me > every time. As a programmer, I tend to immediately attack every challenge > with my own code, but that=E2=80=99s a hopelessly egotistic reaction for = which my > clients and I will both suffer. The correct response is the question - > =E2=80=9CWho=E2=80=99s already done the best job of solving this already?= =E2=80=9D And ironically, > it=E2=80=99s the same coder=E2=80=99s ego that motivates all those progra= mmers to show off > all that great coding ability in places like GitHub. Think of the man yea= rs > of proven, tested, free code that=E2=80=99s just sitting there, free for = the taking. > > > > > On Oct 1, 2019, at 12:43 AM, Brian Harrington > wrote: > > I know none of you care what I have to say and some of my ideas are off > the wall... but this might help someone with slow Apache or slow internet > connections. > > My newer (2009) more powerful Mac Pro 12 core 3.46/ 128GM ram/ 4 1TB SSD'= s > in RAID seemed to have fast speedtest but Apache still took about 30 > seconds to deliver my web pages > and my older (2008) Mac with about 1/4 the horsepower was always very > quick (instantly)in delivering my web pages until suddenly it's connectio= n > 400/20 will only max out at about 175/20 and took about 30 seconds or mor= e > to deliver web pages. I tried every config on my router and network > settings and even tried 2 ethernet connections (different ip's) and still > slow page loads. And just now I accidentally had my two ethernet > connections at the same DHCP 192.168.0.2 and it cut the page loads into > less than half... Not sure if it matters but the remote DNS are reversed = on > the 2 connections... images attached. > > It also might create a very little Redundancy if one ethernet port should > fail... attached images. > > Note: Deleted my Digital Ocean account as page loads the few times my > sites were working there are about the same as my home connection now and > building site via FTP is a pain and slow... > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:51 PM Stuart Tremain > wrote: > >> Hi Patrick >> >> Unfortunately you can=E2=80=99t rely on the WebDNA url(s) being current. >> >> We have found recently that there is an Apache config that needs to be >> put into an override file, none of this is included in the WebDNA Server >> edition installers. >> >> If you want to make this happen I would concentrate on the fcgi version >> as this is designed to be relevant to the domain root rather than servic= ing >> the entire machine, so in keeping with the cPanel concept. A user would >> install WebDNA or PHP (not both), that is where WebDNA needs to go to wi= den >> the use of the language. Getting in peoples faces is the way to go, curi= ous >> users would then at least look into the language and hopefully give it a= go. >> >> I can=E2=80=99t see why it could not be achieved, but then I have never = done >> anything more than use cPanel as a user. >> >> I would really like to see this happen. >> >> Patrick it may be more appropriate to change this subject to cPanel & >> WebDNA >> >> Kind regards >> >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1 Oct 2019, at 10:33, Patrick McCormick >> wrote: >> >> Yes, Stuart, >> >> Not only do I have access to the full machine, I have a 24/7 staff that >> is willing to help with anything I ask them for. They have been >> outstanding. It might work out great. >> >> I know I would probably have to make some sort of configuration utility >> for cPanel & make a pretty icon, but cPanle is very well documented and = I >> don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s much more than linking a cPanel icon to= the WebDNA config >> URL(s), once the software is properly installed in whatever version of u= nix. >> >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Tremain >> wrote: >> >> Hi Patrick >> >> The addition of WebDNA into the app library of cPanel would be a great >> boost for WebDNA.. >> >> Many years ago I shopped around different hosting companies for them to >> make WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - none were willing. >> >> If you have total access to your machine and are familiar with the OS on >> the machine and the workings of cPanel then it would be a worthwhile >> exercise to get it going. Your best bet on getting help to achieve this >> would be a cPanel support group as I am pretty sure that there is no-one >> using WebDNA on cPanel. >> >> Long term it would be beneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to >> have WebDNA installed via cPanel. >> >> I for one would be very interested in what you can achieve. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Stuart Tremain >> Pharoah Lane Software >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McCormick >> wrote: >> >> I recently upgraded a server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been us= ing: >> futurehosting.com >> >> I have a dedicated machine, second from the max size. In addition to >> cPanel, that level of contract includes WHM, which is an administration >> level that allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to g= et >> a working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used by >> anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting environmen= t. >> >> If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I will provide hosting >> for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPanel & WebDNA for any= one >> needing it for a cPanel hosting company. >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >> >> Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using WebDNA. >> The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2= =80=99t >> always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold that ag= ainst them. >> Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserves the respe= ct >> that goes with that. >> >> In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we can. Just >> don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-) >> >> Cheers. >> Donovan >> >> D. Brooke Mobile >> >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Brian Harrington >> wrote: >> >> FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL >> ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING O= N >> DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIE= W >> ALL YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAK= E >> MY LIFE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE *HELPS OTHERS!!!* >> >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stuart Tremain >> wrote: >> >>> I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. >>> >>> As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an >>> active member of this list for 20+ years. >>> >>> During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from >>> people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since mo= ved >>> on. >>> >>> I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have >>> gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving ba= ck >>> to the community from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the >>> reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world= .. >>> >>> I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, in >>> particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I >>> wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fr= esh >>> installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an imag= e of >>> the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that >>> WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to >>> implement. >>> >>> I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom hav= e >>> taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyon= e >>> could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud serve= rs >>> as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their >>> hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you >>> follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. >>> >>> And then along came Brian Harrington. >>> >>> I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done for >>> Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to = all >>> members of this list. >>> >>> Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. = I >>> offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less tha= n a >>> minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ss= h, >>> Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not recei= ved >>> the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make thin= gs >>> easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply comp= leted the >>> installation from the instructions that I had published. >>> >>> Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu >>> 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that= was >>> only requiring a license number. >>> >>> As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin i= s >>> also installed on the Droplet. >>> >>> What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that I >>> received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated >>> advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s proble= ms are. >>> >>> From here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to >>> /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 1= 00% >>> functional with all the standard file extensions that are installed wit= h >>> the WebDNA installer. >>> >>> As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other o= n >>> 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a >>> working reference. >>> >>> However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory >>> /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember t= his >>> is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, he h= as >>> had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good sense= of >>> being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use t= he installed >>> Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by uploading files wit= h >>> FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. >>> >>> Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my >>> concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would br= eak >>> it. >>> >>> For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, >>> provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s ema= ils were >>> interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able = to >>> answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. >>> >>> Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email fro= m >>> Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for = him >>> too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him th= at >>> in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. >>> >>> So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer thi= s >>> morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the = usually quiet WebDNA >>> list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation= .. >>> >>> What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are comments >>> pointed to myself by Brian such as: >>> "*TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and >>> suddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than >>> someone setting you up to fail...!!!*=E2=80=9D >>> >>> Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to >>> the Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it was >>> easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to u= se >>> search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate d= irectly to >>> Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian ha= s >>> said: >>> " *I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna >>> be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.*= =E2=80=9D, >>> I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubu= ntu >>> 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. >>> >>> So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% >>> operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the >>> /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked= , >>> and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration f= ile >>> simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened= to >>> the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to = do >>> it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago. >>> >>> Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that yo= u >>> have made about me. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Stuart Tremain >>> Pharoah Lane Software >>> AUSTRALIA >>> webdna@plsoftware.com.au >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message >>> is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list >>> talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us >>> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: >>> support@webdna.us >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Harrington >> Auto Glass Xpress >> 2655 Millersport Hwy. 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Thanks Patrick... I only host my own stuff and it's ea= sy working on websites right on the server so u can see instant result of y= our work. Once my Mac is setup and it's usually just minutes now it see= ms to run forever and is very fast and stable. I tried Digital Ocean (DO) a= nd the sites went don't numerous times for no reason and I was not even= doing anything on the droplet and I spent endless hours just trying to fig= ure out where things were on their 2 sites (admin and website) that are so = similar I got lost between them many times... And their forms I have no ide= a what the input should be and they offer no examples. I would still need m= y computer to build sites on and I spent a half day just researching and tr= ying things=C2=A0 to accomplish=C2=A0that... I seen and tried examples to m= odify the temperamental host file that did not work and I ordered a switch/= router through Amazon as I know that worked for me in the past... my Deskto= p was a mess working on the DO project... I had their web pages open... the= ir admin... the terminal window... FTP software... text editor... skype and= all that just to work remotely via FTP...? I'm fluid in HTML and WebDn= a and can figure out what I need done in Javascript and CSS and that's = all you needed in the past. I really need to learn Front-End and responsive= design and glad u mentioned Wordpress that I could not install anyways on = my older Mac and now settling in on my newer one could. I'm looking at = Material Design for Bootstrap (MDB)...???

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:09 AM Pat= rick McCormick <duganmccormi= ck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Brian - that is r= eally weird.=C2=A0 I have never tried multiple ethernet connections on the = same address because I just assumed that it couldn=E2=80=99t possibly work = that way.

One of the best things about cloud hosting is = never ever having to think about that sort of stuff again. Ever.=C2=A0 Ever= y diol of hardware is configured redundantly.=C2=A0 As soon as a data cente= r gets a new server blade installed into a rack, its components - RAM, CPU,= disk, etc., are inventoried and optimally distributed to that company=E2= =80=99s customers.=C2=A0 There is no relationship between what server specs= I buy and any specific machines in the data center. Everything is abstract= ed so that anything can fail without interrupting any services. It gets pre= tty confusing but products like vSphere are what data centers use to manage= their equipment.=C2=A0 That system just tells them how much additional CPU= , RAM & disk they need to keep up with current load and they can also b= uy in bulk from Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc., if they need quick addition= al capacity while they wait for delivery of physical equipment.
<= br>
The other thing I learned by using WordPress is that WebDNA d= evelopers operate at a fraction of the typical website load that other cont= ent management systems typically use.=C2=A0 Because WordPress comes with a = back end & pre-packaged code for themes & plugins, it really =E2=80= =9Cshits the bed=E2=80=9D in terms of cookies, variables, threads, and endl= ess cruft just to be able to keep track of everything.=C2=A0 PHP settings u= sually require a minimum of 2500 page variables and timeouts in excess of 1= 80 seconds.=C2=A0 WordPress is a resource hog many thousands of times large= r than WebDAN simply because WebDNA is just a blinking cursor.=C2=A0 There = is no environment for themes, plugins, and there is no content management b= ack end at all.=C2=A0 You have to build all of that from scratch.

I say get rid of any responsibilities you can - especially = hosting.=C2=A0 If WordPress can spin up a presentable website in a few clic= ks, complete with back end content management interface and unique theme, t= hen there ought to be a relatively straight forward way to add WebDNA to th= at environment so that we can build any unique functions using WebDNA synta= x and have those functions appear wherever needed within WordPress (or, ult= imately any other) CMS.

I don=E2=80=99t know why o= r how Mac can assign the same IP to 2 different physical ports, but I would= n=E2=80=99t want my clients websites running on top of a mystery, if I can = avoid it.=C2=A0 In my case, if I felt that anything was operating slowly, I= would just send a tech support ticket saying =E2=80=9Cit seems too slow=E2= =80=9D and let them figure it out. I=E2=80=99m done deciphering back end sp= ooky nonsense when there readily available, trained armies who are far bett= er than me & my Mac.

Dumping responsibility ma= kes a more stable server, and that certainly includes hosting.=C2=A0 A mana= ged server is fully redundant, automatically backed up and even client bill= ings are fully automatic - to the point where, should a credit card get dec= lined, the timer to automatically disable hosting goes into effect & th= at client is notified by email.=C2=A0 The less code I write, the less chanc= e for any problems that I might cause.=C2=A0 THere=E2=80=99s a huge war che= st of pre-build & fully tested code available from places like GitHub.= =C2=A0 Those represent all the people who have encountered and solved the s= ame problems I=E2=80=99ve run into, but they solved it with an entire group= of contributors, any one of which are probably smarter than me.=C2=A0 Don= =E2=80=99t I owe the best possible solutions to my clients? Then why would = I screw up my responsibility by thinking for a moment that my single mind m= ight hold the best answers?=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m pretty sure those gangs would= crush me every time. As a programmer, I tend to immediately attack every c= hallenge with my own code, but that=E2=80=99s a hopelessly egotistic reacti= on for which my clients and I will both suffer. The correct response is the= question - =E2=80=9CWho=E2=80=99s already done the best job of solving thi= s already?=E2=80=9D And ironically, it=E2=80=99s the same coder=E2=80=99s e= go that motivates all those programmers to show off all that great coding a= bility in places like GitHub. Think of the man years of proven, tested, fre= e code that=E2=80=99s just sitting there, free for the taking.



On = Oct 1, 2019, at 12:43 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
=
I know none of you care what I have to say and so= me of my ideas are off the wall... but this might help someone with slow Ap= ache or slow internet connections.

My newer (2009) more = powerful Mac Pro 12 core 3.46/ 128GM ram/ 4 1TB SSD's in RAID seemed to= have fast speedtest but Apache still took about 30 seconds to deliver my w= eb pages
=C2=A0and my older (2008) Mac with about 1/4 the horsepo= wer was always very quick (instantly)in delivering my web pages until sudde= nly it's connection 400/20 will only max out at about 175/20 and took a= bout 30 seconds or more to deliver web pages. I tried every config on my ro= uter and network settings and even tried 2 ethernet connections (different = ip's) and still slow page loads. And just now I accidentally=C2=A0had m= y two ethernet connections at the same DHCP 192.168.0.2 and it cut the page= loads into less than half... Not sure if it matters but the remote DNS are= reversed on the 2 connections... images attached.

It also might create a very little=C2=A0Re= dundancy if one ethernet port should fail... attached images.=C2=A0<= /div>

Note: Deleted my Digital Ocean account as page loa= ds the few times my sites were working there are about the same as my home = connection now and building site via FTP is a pain and slow...
<= br>
On Mon,= Sep 30, 2019 at 8:51 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
<= /div>
Hi Patrick
=
Unfortunately you can=E2=80=99t rely on the WebDNA url(s) be= ing current.

We have found recently that there is = an Apache config that needs to be put into an override file, none of this i= s included in the WebDNA Server edition installers.

If you want to make this happen I would concentrate on the fcgi version a= s this is designed to be relevant to the domain root rather than servicing = the entire machine, so in keeping with the cPanel concept. A user would ins= tall WebDNA or PHP (not both), that is where WebDNA needs to go to widen th= e use of the language. Getting in peoples faces is the way to go, curious u= sers would then at least look into the language and hopefully give it a go.=

I can=E2=80=99t see why it could not be achieved,= but then I have never done anything more than use cPanel as a user.
<= div>
I would really like to see this happen.

Patrick it may be more appropriate to change this subject to cPane= l & WebDNA

= Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane= Software
AUSTRALIA







On 1 Oct 2019, at 10:33, Patrick Mc= Cormick <d= uganmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, Stuart,
=
Not only do I have access to the full machine, I have a 24/7= staff that is willing to help with anything I ask them for.=C2=A0 They hav= e been outstanding.=C2=A0 It might work out great.

I know I would probably have to make some sort of configuration utility fo= r cPanel & make a pretty icon, but cPanle is very well documented and I= don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s much more than linking a cPanel icon to t= he WebDNA config URL(s), once the software is properly installed in whateve= r version of unix.



On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au<= /a>> wrote:

Hi Patrick

The additio= n of WebDNA into the app library of cPanel would be a great boost for WebDN= A..

Many years ago I shopped around different host= ing companies for them to make WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - n= one were willing.

If you have total access to your= machine and are familiar with the OS on the machine and the workings of cP= anel then it would be a worthwhile exercise to get it going. Your best bet = on getting help to achieve this would be a cPanel support group as I am pre= tty sure that there is no-one using WebDNA on cPanel.

<= div>Long term it would be beneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to= have WebDNA installed via cPanel.

I for one would= be very interested in what you can achieve.




On 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick Mc= Cormick <d= uganmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently upgrad= ed a server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been using: =C2=A0futurehosting.com
=
I have a dedicated machine, second from the max size.=C2=A0 = In addition to cPanel, that level of contract includes WHM, which is an adm= inistration level that allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to= try to get a working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be= used by anyone on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting envi= ronment. =C2=A0

If I can get WebDNA functioning on= this server, I will provide hosting for redistribution for the fresh insta= llation of cPanel & WebDNA for anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting c= ompany.




On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:
Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is grea= t that you are using WebDNA. The list is here to try and help. Unfortunatel= y, the users here don=E2=80=99t always have the the time / resources to hel= p. Don=E2=80=99t hold that against them. Stuart is a one of a very few cham= pions of WebDNA. He deserves the respect that goes with that.=C2=A0
In short... us long-time members will always try to help if we = can. Just don=E2=80=99t F with us. We have been through a lot ;-)

Cheers.
Donovan=C2=A0

D. Brooke Mobile

On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:09 PM,= Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

FYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME= OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL= SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR= "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL YOUR NOTES I SA= ID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER ON TH= E FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:58 PM Stu= art Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
I have really leaned another one of this li= fe's lessons today.

As any member of this list will = may or may not know I have been an active member of this list for 20+ years= ..

During this time I have learned so much about th= e use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others t= hat have since moved on.

I have always tried hard = to return the favour and as such at times have gone far and beyond the task= of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the community from which m= y skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why I have been contracte= d by WebDNA users from around the world.

I have se= en many users over the years with configuration problems, in particular the= last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote the instruc= tions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installation of U= buntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image of the same availab= le to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would become a= quick easy solution for members of this list to implement.

<= /div>
I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of wh= om have taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that a= nyone could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud ser= vers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their = hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you fol= low the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.
And then along came Brian Harrington.=C2=A0

I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done f= or Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to a= ll members of this list.

Brian was unable to log i= nto the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offered to meet him on Skyp= e to help him get past his hurdle - less than a minute later I had connecte= d to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as = to how that was achieved, and had not received the image that I had shared = with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier and so that he didn=E2= =80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the installation from the i= nstructions=C2=A0that I had published.

Less than 2= 0 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.04 server comp= lete with a working installation of WebDNA server that was only requiring a= license number.

As you will know, if you have rea= d the published instructions, Webmin is also installed on the Droplet.

What happened next is purely comical, if I published t= he emails that I received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus t= he repeated advice that I gave, =C2=A0you would see exactly where Brian=E2= =80=99s problems are.

From here all Brian needed t= o do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set up his Virtual hosts = - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all the standard file exten= sions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.

As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on = 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a worki= ng reference.

However Brian had other plans, he wa= nted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be the root directory o= f his webserver, remember this is the same person that has had no experienc= e with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Mac server so I believe= d that he had a good sense of being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian di= dn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache c= onfiguration by uploading files with FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a F= TP client.

Brian, you may remember the Skype messa= ge that I sent you expressing my concern that if you work outside the stand= ard installation you would break it.

For the rest = of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, provide advice. = All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emails were interruptin= g. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able to answer him i= mmediately due to the 10 hour time difference.

The= n on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from Brian= - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for him too, = repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that in 19 = minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.

S= o it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this mor= ning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usually= quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his in= stallation.

What does surprise me, and leads me to= writing this email are comments pointed to myself by Brian such as:
<= div>"TalkList members say they will help... then they are GON= E and suddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse t= han someone setting you up to fail...!!!=E2=80=9D

Brian had a v= ery large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to the Linux environ= ment without any alterations. He believes that it was easier to change the = configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to use search and replace on = his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Permissions and= the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has said:=C2=A0
"=C2=A0I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna be = an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.=E2=80= =9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23=C2=A0operation= al Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense.

So Brian, if you had followed my ad= vice, you would have been 100% operational as soon as all your files had be= en uploaded to the /var/www/html=C2=A0directory and had their ownership and= preferences checked, and had=C2=A0simply changed the root=C2=A0locations i= n your=C2=A0vhost configuration file simply with a search and replace with = your text editor. If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given or= you could have even asked me to do it you would have had a fully functiona= l server many days ago.

Now I = would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have mad= e about me.
=C2=A0
Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
=
AUSTRALIA







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