=---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail-D08B19FB-2505-4005-BC37-8E410E031BFE--. Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:=EF=BB=BFThanks= Patrick... I only host my own stuff and it's easy working on websites right= on the server so u can see instant result of your work. Once my Mac is setu=p and it's usually just minutes now it seems to run forever and is very fast= and stable. I tried Digital Ocean (DO) and the sites went don't numerous ti=mes for no reason and I was not even doing anything on the droplet and I spe=nt endless hours just trying to figure out where things were on their 2 site=s (admin and website) that are so similar I got lost between them many times=.... And their forms I have no idea what the input should be and they offer n=o examples. I would still need my computer to build sites on and I spent a h=alf day just researching and trying things to accomplish that... I= seen and tried examples to modify the temperamental host file that did not w=ork and I ordered a switch/router through Amazon as I know that worked for m=e in the past... my Desktop was a mess working on the DO project... I had th=eir web pages open... their admin... the terminal window... FTP software... t=ext editor... skype and all that just to work remotely via FTP...? I'm fluid= in HTML and WebDna and can figure out what I need done in Javascript and CS=S and that's all you needed in the past. I really need to learn Front-End an=d responsive design and glad u mentioned Wordpress that I could not install a=nyways on my older Mac and now settling in on my newer one could. I'm lookin=g at Material Design for Bootstrap (MDB)...???On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:09 AM P=atrick McCormick <duganmccorm=ick@gmail.com> wrote:Hey Brian - that is rea=lly weird. I have never tried multiple ethernet connections on the sam=e address because I just assumed that it couldn=E2=80=99t possibly work that= way.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usOne of the best things about cloud hosting is never= ever having to think about that sort of stuff again. Ever. Every diol= of hardware is configured redundantly. As soon as a data center gets a= new server blade installed into a rack, its components - RAM, CPU, disk, et=c., are inventoried and optimally distributed to that company=E2=80=99s cust=omers. There is no relationship between what server specs I buy and an=y specific machines in the data center. Everything is abstracted so that any=thing can fail without interrupting any services. It gets pretty confusing b=ut products like vSphere are what data centers use to manage their equipment=.. That system just tells them how much additional CPU, RAM & disk t=hey need to keep up with current load and they can also buy in bulk from Ama=zon, Google, Facebook, etc., if they need quick additional capacity while th=ey wait for delivery of physical equipment.The oth=er thing I learned by using WordPress is that WebDNA developers operate at a= fraction of the typical website load that other content management systems t=ypically use. Because WordPress comes with a back end & pre-packag=ed code for themes & plugins, it really =E2=80=9Cshits the bed=E2=80=9D i=n terms of cookies, variables, threads, and endless cruft just to be able to= keep track of everything. PHP settings usually require a minimum of 2=500 page variables and timeouts in excess of 180 seconds. WordPress is= a resource hog many thousands of times larger than WebDAN simply because We=bDNA is just a blinking cursor. There is no environment for themes, pl=ugins, and there is no content management back end at all. You have to= build all of that from scratch.I say get rid of a=ny responsibilities you can - especially hosting. If WordPress can spi=n up a presentable website in a few clicks, complete with back end content m=anagement interface and unique theme, then there ought to be a relatively st=raight forward way to add WebDNA to that environment so that we can build an=y unique functions using WebDNA syntax and have those functions appear where=ver needed within WordPress (or, ultimately any other) CMS.
=div>I don=E2=80=99t know why or how Mac can assign the same IP to 2 dif=ferent physical ports, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t want my clients websites runni=ng on top of a mystery, if I can avoid it. In my case, if I felt that a=nything was operating slowly, I would just send a tech support ticket saying= =E2=80=9Cit seems too slow=E2=80=9D and let them figure it out. I=E2=80=99m= done deciphering back end spooky nonsense when there readily available, tra=ined armies who are far better than me & my Mac.Dumping responsibility makes a more stable server, and that certainly incl=udes hosting. A managed server is fully redundant, automatically backe=d up and even client billings are fully automatic - to the point where, shou=ld a credit card get declined, the timer to automatically disable hosting go=es into effect & that client is notified by email. The less code I= write, the less chance for any problems that I might cause. THere=E2=80==99s a huge war chest of pre-build & fully tested code available from pl=aces like GitHub. Those represent all the people who have encountered a=nd solved the same problems I=E2=80=99ve run into, but they solved it with a=n entire group of contributors, any one of which are probably smarter than m=e. Don=E2=80=99t I owe the best possible solutions to my clients? Then= why would I screw up my responsibility by thinking for a moment that my sin=gle mind might hold the best answers? I=E2=80=99m pretty sure those ga=ngs would crush me every time. As a programmer, I tend to immediately attack= every challenge with my own code, but that=E2=80=99s a hopelessly egotistic= reaction for which my clients and I will both suffer. The correct response i=s the question - =E2=80=9CWho=E2=80=99s already done the best job of solving= this already?=E2=80=9D And ironically, it=E2=80=99s the same coder=E2=80=99=s ego that motivates all those programmers to show off all that great coding= ability in places like GitHub. Think of the man years of proven, tested, fr=ee code that=E2=80=99s just sitting there, free for the taking. On O=ct 1, 2019, at 12:43 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:I know none of you care what I have to say and some o=f my ideas are off the wall... but this might help someone with slow Apache o=r slow internet connections.My newer (2009) more powerfu=l Mac Pro 12 core 3.46/ 128GM ram/ 4 1TB SSD's in RAID seemed to have fast s=peedtest but Apache still took about 30 seconds to deliver my web pagesand my older (2008) Mac with about 1/4 the horsepower was always= very quick (instantly)in delivering my web pages until suddenly it's connec=tion 400/20 will only max out at about 175/20 and took about 30 seconds or m=ore to deliver web pages. I tried every config on my router and network sett=ings and even tried 2 ethernet connections (different ip's) and still slow p=age loads. And just now I accidentally had my two ethernet connections a=t the same DHCP 192.168.0.2 and it cut the page loads into less than half...= Not sure if it matters but the remote DNS are reversed on the 2 connections=.... images attached.It also might create a very li=ttle Redundancy if one ethernet port sho=uld fail... attached images.Note: Del=eted my Digital Ocean account as page loads the few times my sites were work=ing there are about the same as my home connection now and building site via= FTP is a pain and slow...On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:51 PM Stuart Tremai=n <webdna@p=lsoftware.com.au> wrote:Hi Patrick---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usUnfortunately you can=E2=80==99t rely on the WebDNA url(s) being current.We ha=ve found recently that there is an Apache config that needs to be put into a=n override file, none of this is included in the WebDNA Server edition insta=llers.If you want to make this happen I would conc=entrate on the fcgi version as this is designed to be relevant to the domain= root rather than servicing the entire machine, so in keeping with the cPane=l concept. A user would install WebDNA or PHP (not both), that is where WebD=NA needs to go to widen the use of the language. Getting in peoples faces is= the way to go, curious users would then at least look into the language and= hopefully give it a go.I can=E2=80=99t see why it= could not be achieved, but then I have never done anything more than use cP=anel as a user.I would really like to see this hap=pen.Patrick it may be more appropriate to change t=his subject to cPanel & WebDNAOn 1 Oct 2019, at 10:33, Patrick McC=ormick <dug=anmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:Yes, Stuart,---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usNot only do I have access to the full machine, I have a 24/7 sta=ff that is willing to help with anything I ask them for. They have bee=n outstanding. It might work out great.I kno=w I would probably have to make some sort of configuration utility for cPane=l & make a pretty icon, but cPanle is very well documented and I don=E2=80==99t think it=E2=80=99s much more than linking a cPanel icon to the WebDNA c=onfig URL(s), once the software is properly installed in whatever version of= unix.=On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usHi PatrickThe addition of WebDNA into t=he app library of cPanel would be a great boost for WebDNA..
<=/div>Many years ago I shopped around different hosting companies for th=em to make WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - none were willing.If you have total access to your machine and are famil=iar with the OS on the machine and the workings of cPanel then it would be a= worthwhile exercise to get it going. Your best bet on getting help to achie=ve this would be a cPanel support group as I am pretty sure that there is no=-one using WebDNA on cPanel.Long term it would be b=eneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to have WebDNA installed via c=Panel.I for one would be very interested in what y=ou can achieve.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usOn 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McC=ormick <dug=anmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:I recently upgraded a= server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been using: futurehosting.comI have a dedicated machine, second from the max size. In additi=on to cPanel, that level of contract includes WHM, which is an administratio=n level that allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to get= a working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used by any=one on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting environment. &nbs=p;If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I= will provide hosting for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPane=l & WebDNA for anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting company.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usO=n Sep 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using W=ebDNA. The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2==80=99t always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold tha=t against them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserv=es the respect that goes with that.In short... us l=ong-time members will always try to help if we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F wit=h us. We have been through a lot ;-)Cheers.<=div>DonovanD. Brooke Mobile---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usFYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL= ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON D=OING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL= YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LI=FE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7=:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:I have really leaned another one of t=his life's lessons today.As any member of this list will= may or may not know I have been an active member of this list for 20+ years=..During this time I have learned so much about the= use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others tha=t have since moved on.I have always tried hard to r=eturn the favour and as such at times have gone far and beyond the task of o=ffering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the community from which my skil=ls have grown. This I believe is the reason why I have been contracted by We=bDNA users from around the world.I have seen many u=sers over the years with configuration problems, in particular the last few w=eeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote the instructions a week= or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 -= I even went as far as to provide an image of the same available to anyone t=hat would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would become a quick easy sol=ution for members of this list to implement.I had a= number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom have taken up t=he offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyone could use on a=ny platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers as each cloud pr=ovider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting configuration.= The instructions that I publish will work if you follow the steps on any ho=st and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.And then al=ong came Brian Harrington.I must preface thi=s with the fact that everything that i have done for Brian was at no charge,= purely a gesture of good will that I extend to all members of this list.Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet= that he created. I offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hu=rdle - less than a minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual se=rver) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and h=ad not received the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So t=o make things easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I si=mply completed the installation from the instructions that I had publis=hed.Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner= of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.04 server complete with a working installation of W=ebDNA server that was only requiring a license number.<=div>As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is= also installed on the Droplet.What happened next i=s purely comical, if I published the emails that I received and you read the= warnings that I provided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, you w=ould see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.=46rom here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/htm=l and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional wi=th all the standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA insta=ller. As an additional task I set up two Virtual Ho=sts, one on 80 the other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so= that he could have a working reference.However Br=ian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites t=o be the root directory of his webserver, remember this is the same person t=hat has had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experience with a M=ac server so I believed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a L=inux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wante=d to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn==E2=80=99t have a FTP client.Brian, you may rememb=er the Skype message that I sent you expressing my concern that if you work o=utside the standard installation you would break it.For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, pr=ovide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emails wer=e interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able to a=nswer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email f=rom Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for h=im too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that= in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.=So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer thi=s morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usu=ally quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his= installation.What does surprise me, and leads me t=o writing this email are comments pointed to myself by Brian such as:<=div>"TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and s=uddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone s=etting you up to fail...!!!=E2=80=9DBrian had a very large VHost= file that he moved from his Mac server to the Linux environment without any= alterations. He believes that it was easier to change the configuration of t=he Linux/Apache server than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Bri=an=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of h=is server root. I note that Brian has said:" I have no idea why Stua=rt thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf l=ist share folder and everything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking a=dvice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really d=oesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% ope=rational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the /var/www/html&nb=sp;directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, and had s=imply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration file s=imply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened to th=e FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to do it y=ou would have had a fully functional server many days ago.=Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill p=laced comments that you have made about me.-- ---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usBrian Harrington<=/div>Auto Glass Xpress2655 Millersport Hwy. 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On Oct 1, 2019, at 06:45, Bria=n Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
=---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail-D08B19FB-2505-4005-BC37-8E410E031BFE--. Bob Minor=EF=BB=BFThanks= Patrick... I only host my own stuff and it's easy working on websites right= on the server so u can see instant result of your work. Once my Mac is setu=p and it's usually just minutes now it seems to run forever and is very fast= and stable. I tried Digital Ocean (DO) and the sites went don't numerous ti=mes for no reason and I was not even doing anything on the droplet and I spe=nt endless hours just trying to figure out where things were on their 2 site=s (admin and website) that are so similar I got lost between them many times=.... And their forms I have no idea what the input should be and they offer n=o examples. I would still need my computer to build sites on and I spent a h=alf day just researching and trying things to accomplish that... I= seen and tried examples to modify the temperamental host file that did not w=ork and I ordered a switch/router through Amazon as I know that worked for m=e in the past... my Desktop was a mess working on the DO project... I had th=eir web pages open... their admin... the terminal window... FTP software... t=ext editor... skype and all that just to work remotely via FTP...? I'm fluid= in HTML and WebDna and can figure out what I need done in Javascript and CS=S and that's all you needed in the past. I really need to learn Front-End an=d responsive design and glad u mentioned Wordpress that I could not install a=nyways on my older Mac and now settling in on my newer one could. I'm lookin=g at Material Design for Bootstrap (MDB)...???On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:09 AM P=atrick McCormick <duganmccorm=ick@gmail.com> wrote:Hey Brian - that is rea=lly weird. I have never tried multiple ethernet connections on the sam=e address because I just assumed that it couldn=E2=80=99t possibly work that= way.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usOne of the best things about cloud hosting is never= ever having to think about that sort of stuff again. Ever. Every diol= of hardware is configured redundantly. As soon as a data center gets a= new server blade installed into a rack, its components - RAM, CPU, disk, et=c., are inventoried and optimally distributed to that company=E2=80=99s cust=omers. There is no relationship between what server specs I buy and an=y specific machines in the data center. Everything is abstracted so that any=thing can fail without interrupting any services. It gets pretty confusing b=ut products like vSphere are what data centers use to manage their equipment=.. That system just tells them how much additional CPU, RAM & disk t=hey need to keep up with current load and they can also buy in bulk from Ama=zon, Google, Facebook, etc., if they need quick additional capacity while th=ey wait for delivery of physical equipment.The oth=er thing I learned by using WordPress is that WebDNA developers operate at a= fraction of the typical website load that other content management systems t=ypically use. Because WordPress comes with a back end & pre-packag=ed code for themes & plugins, it really =E2=80=9Cshits the bed=E2=80=9D i=n terms of cookies, variables, threads, and endless cruft just to be able to= keep track of everything. PHP settings usually require a minimum of 2=500 page variables and timeouts in excess of 180 seconds. WordPress is= a resource hog many thousands of times larger than WebDAN simply because We=bDNA is just a blinking cursor. There is no environment for themes, pl=ugins, and there is no content management back end at all. You have to= build all of that from scratch.I say get rid of a=ny responsibilities you can - especially hosting. If WordPress can spi=n up a presentable website in a few clicks, complete with back end content m=anagement interface and unique theme, then there ought to be a relatively st=raight forward way to add WebDNA to that environment so that we can build an=y unique functions using WebDNA syntax and have those functions appear where=ver needed within WordPress (or, ultimately any other) CMS.
=div>I don=E2=80=99t know why or how Mac can assign the same IP to 2 dif=ferent physical ports, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t want my clients websites runni=ng on top of a mystery, if I can avoid it. In my case, if I felt that a=nything was operating slowly, I would just send a tech support ticket saying= =E2=80=9Cit seems too slow=E2=80=9D and let them figure it out. I=E2=80=99m= done deciphering back end spooky nonsense when there readily available, tra=ined armies who are far better than me & my Mac.Dumping responsibility makes a more stable server, and that certainly incl=udes hosting. A managed server is fully redundant, automatically backe=d up and even client billings are fully automatic - to the point where, shou=ld a credit card get declined, the timer to automatically disable hosting go=es into effect & that client is notified by email. The less code I= write, the less chance for any problems that I might cause. THere=E2=80==99s a huge war chest of pre-build & fully tested code available from pl=aces like GitHub. Those represent all the people who have encountered a=nd solved the same problems I=E2=80=99ve run into, but they solved it with a=n entire group of contributors, any one of which are probably smarter than m=e. Don=E2=80=99t I owe the best possible solutions to my clients? Then= why would I screw up my responsibility by thinking for a moment that my sin=gle mind might hold the best answers? I=E2=80=99m pretty sure those ga=ngs would crush me every time. As a programmer, I tend to immediately attack= every challenge with my own code, but that=E2=80=99s a hopelessly egotistic= reaction for which my clients and I will both suffer. The correct response i=s the question - =E2=80=9CWho=E2=80=99s already done the best job of solving= this already?=E2=80=9D And ironically, it=E2=80=99s the same coder=E2=80=99=s ego that motivates all those programmers to show off all that great coding= ability in places like GitHub. Think of the man years of proven, tested, fr=ee code that=E2=80=99s just sitting there, free for the taking. On O=ct 1, 2019, at 12:43 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:I know none of you care what I have to say and some o=f my ideas are off the wall... but this might help someone with slow Apache o=r slow internet connections.My newer (2009) more powerfu=l Mac Pro 12 core 3.46/ 128GM ram/ 4 1TB SSD's in RAID seemed to have fast s=peedtest but Apache still took about 30 seconds to deliver my web pagesand my older (2008) Mac with about 1/4 the horsepower was always= very quick (instantly)in delivering my web pages until suddenly it's connec=tion 400/20 will only max out at about 175/20 and took about 30 seconds or m=ore to deliver web pages. I tried every config on my router and network sett=ings and even tried 2 ethernet connections (different ip's) and still slow p=age loads. And just now I accidentally had my two ethernet connections a=t the same DHCP 192.168.0.2 and it cut the page loads into less than half...= Not sure if it matters but the remote DNS are reversed on the 2 connections=.... images attached.It also might create a very li=ttle Redundancy if one ethernet port sho=uld fail... attached images.Note: Del=eted my Digital Ocean account as page loads the few times my sites were work=ing there are about the same as my home connection now and building site via= FTP is a pain and slow...On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:51 PM Stuart Tremai=n <webdna@p=lsoftware.com.au> wrote:Hi Patrick---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usUnfortunately you can=E2=80==99t rely on the WebDNA url(s) being current.We ha=ve found recently that there is an Apache config that needs to be put into a=n override file, none of this is included in the WebDNA Server edition insta=llers.If you want to make this happen I would conc=entrate on the fcgi version as this is designed to be relevant to the domain= root rather than servicing the entire machine, so in keeping with the cPane=l concept. A user would install WebDNA or PHP (not both), that is where WebD=NA needs to go to widen the use of the language. Getting in peoples faces is= the way to go, curious users would then at least look into the language and= hopefully give it a go.I can=E2=80=99t see why it= could not be achieved, but then I have never done anything more than use cP=anel as a user.I would really like to see this hap=pen.Patrick it may be more appropriate to change t=his subject to cPanel & WebDNAOn 1 Oct 2019, at 10:33, Patrick McC=ormick <dug=anmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:Yes, Stuart,---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usNot only do I have access to the full machine, I have a 24/7 sta=ff that is willing to help with anything I ask them for. They have bee=n outstanding. It might work out great.I kno=w I would probably have to make some sort of configuration utility for cPane=l & make a pretty icon, but cPanle is very well documented and I don=E2=80==99t think it=E2=80=99s much more than linking a cPanel icon to the WebDNA c=onfig URL(s), once the software is properly installed in whatever version of= unix.=On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usHi PatrickThe addition of WebDNA into t=he app library of cPanel would be a great boost for WebDNA..
<=/div>Many years ago I shopped around different hosting companies for th=em to make WebDNA available on their cPanel configs - none were willing.If you have total access to your machine and are famil=iar with the OS on the machine and the workings of cPanel then it would be a= worthwhile exercise to get it going. Your best bet on getting help to achie=ve this would be a cPanel support group as I am pretty sure that there is no=-one using WebDNA on cPanel.Long term it would be b=eneficial to everyone and the WebDNA language to have WebDNA installed via c=Panel.I for one would be very interested in what y=ou can achieve.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usOn 1 Oct 2019, at 05:06, Patrick McC=ormick <dug=anmccormick@gmail.com> wrote:I recently upgraded a= server at the hosting company I=E2=80=99ve been using: futurehosting.comI have a dedicated machine, second from the max size. In additi=on to cPanel, that level of contract includes WHM, which is an administratio=n level that allows me to resell cPanel accounts. I would like to try to get= a working cPanel installation of WebDNA onto this machine to be used by any=one on this list to install WebDNA into any cPanel hosting environment. &nbs=p;If I can get WebDNA functioning on this server, I= will provide hosting for redistribution for the fresh installation of cPane=l & WebDNA for anyone needing it for a cPanel hosting company.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usO=n Sep 29, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Donovan Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote:Hey Brian... I think the gist is, it is great that you are using W=ebDNA. The list is here to try and help. Unfortunately, the users here don=E2==80=99t always have the the time / resources to help. Don=E2=80=99t hold tha=t against them. Stuart is a one of a very few champions of WebDNA. He deserv=es the respect that goes with that.In short... us l=ong-time members will always try to help if we can. Just don=E2=80=99t F wit=h us. We have been through a lot ;-)Cheers.<=div>DonovanD. Brooke Mobile---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usFYI I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR NAME OR U WERE THE ONE HELPING ME! THEY ALL= ASSUMED THAT I'M SURE CUZ U ALL SO CLOSE... AND BTW YES I WAS PLANNING ON D=OING SOMETHING TO REPAY YOU FOR "HELPING" ME! AND I'M SURE IF YOU REVIEW ALL= YOUR NOTES I SAID THANK YOU MANY TIMES! AND I HOPE WHAT I DID TO MAKE MY LI=FE EASIER ON THE FILE PATH ISSUE HELPS OTHERS!!!On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7=:58 PM Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:I have really leaned another one of t=his life's lessons today.As any member of this list will= may or may not know I have been an active member of this list for 20+ years=..During this time I have learned so much about the= use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others tha=t have since moved on.I have always tried hard to r=eturn the favour and as such at times have gone far and beyond the task of o=ffering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the community from which my skil=ls have grown. This I believe is the reason why I have been contracted by We=bDNA users from around the world.I have seen many u=sers over the years with configuration problems, in particular the last few w=eeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I wrote the instructions a week= or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 -= I even went as far as to provide an image of the same available to anyone t=hat would like it, all in the hope that WebDNA would become a quick easy sol=ution for members of this list to implement.I had a= number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom have taken up t=he offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyone could use on a=ny platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers as each cloud pr=ovider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their hosting configuration.= The instructions that I publish will work if you follow the steps on any ho=st and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation.And then al=ong came Brian Harrington.I must preface thi=s with the fact that everything that i have done for Brian was at no charge,= purely a gesture of good will that I extend to all members of this list.Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet= that he created. I offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hu=rdle - less than a minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual se=rver) using ssh, Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and h=ad not received the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So t=o make things easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I si=mply completed the installation from the instructions that I had publis=hed.Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner= of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.04 server complete with a working installation of W=ebDNA server that was only requiring a license number.<=div>As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is= also installed on the Droplet.What happened next i=s purely comical, if I published the emails that I received and you read the= warnings that I provided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, you w=ould see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.=46rom here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/htm=l and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional wi=th all the standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA insta=ller. As an additional task I set up two Virtual Ho=sts, one on 80 the other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so= that he could have a working reference.However Br=ian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites t=o be the root directory of his webserver, remember this is the same person t=hat has had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experience with a M=ac server so I believed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a L=inux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he wante=d to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP however he didn==E2=80=99t have a FTP client.Brian, you may rememb=er the Skype message that I sent you expressing my concern that if you work o=utside the standard installation you would break it.For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, pr=ovide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s emails wer=e interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able to a=nswer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email f=rom Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for h=im too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that= in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.=So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer thi=s morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the usu=ally quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his= installation.What does surprise me, and leads me t=o writing this email are comments pointed to myself by Brian such as:<=div>"TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and s=uddenly don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone s=etting you up to fail...!!!=E2=80=9DBrian had a very large VHost= file that he moved from his Mac server to the Linux environment without any= alterations. He believes that it was easier to change the configuration of t=he Linux/Apache server than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Bri=an=E2=80=99s problems relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of h=is server root. I note that Brian has said:" I have no idea why Stua=rt thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf l=ist share folder and everything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking a=dvice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really d=oesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% ope=rational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the /var/www/html&nb=sp;directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, and had s=imply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration file s=imply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened to th=e FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to do it y=ou would have had a fully functional server many days ago.=Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill p=laced comments that you have made about me.-- ---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@we=bdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: suppor=t@webdna.usBrian Harrington<=/div>Auto Glass Xpress2655 Millersport Hwy. 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