Re: [WebDNA] Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ Slow

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texte = 2379 --Apple-Mail=_189E2C67-A506-4804-999C-F35F140A7800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I found many years ago onsite hosting of 2 x 24row server racks, plus = the fibre connection, plus the specially fitted server room, plus = electricity, plus, plus, plus was just too much to have to deal with. = One Christmas night after a very long lunch, plenty of wine and food, = time with family and friends, my monitoring alarms went off. At 6am the = next day I finally left the premises after getting everything back = online after a switch had failed further upstream in the network to = which I had no access. December 26 was the first day of my mission to = get rid of all the hardware. Now with all hosting left to the businesses = that have 24x7 staff and their millions of dollars of investment in = networking, hardware and redundancy I still get a few issues with = servers going off-line, but the best part is it is usually a reboot that = I can do with my phone while still half asleep. If it is a more serious = issue then I simple do what you would be doing with your own server = equipment - the difference is that I can do it anywhere I have internet = connection and a minimum of an iPad or my old 12=E2=80=9D MacBook. The benefits are numerous. I have been able to down scale business = premises, employ less staff, be far more flexible with my working = arrangements - sitting on a beach 3,500 kms north of Sydney I am able to = conduct business without clients knowing I am not in my office at my = desk. For everyone that is hosting sites on Mac from an on-site server you = really need to ask yourselves: 1) =E2=80=9CWhat is the importance of a good, stable, fast web presence = to my business?=E2=80=9D 2) =E2=80=9CCan my business afford US$10.00 a month so that my = website/s can be hosted on the very latest dedicated virtual Linux = server with 2TB of data transfer a month ?=E2=80=9D 3) =E2=80=9CDoes each new build of Apple OS cause me hosting problems?" Then you will think that you don=E2=80=99t have command line expertise = on a linux system, that is very easily overcome with a GUI that services = thousands of servers around the world. If security is an issue, you can have a rock solid firewall at no cost. Backup your server for an additional US$2/month. Got an idea that involves more hardware, a second server etc - then = cloud hosting gives you the ability to try it for a hour/day/week/month = and all you have committed is $10 or so. If you employ a hosting company that specialises in WebDNA hosting such = as Zarcrom then you don=E2=80=99t even have to worry about the server = environment, all you need to work on is your website. Have a chat with Christophe about the possibilities that you can have = with Zarcrom as a hosting partner, if you want to go it alone on a cloud = platform then please send me an email if you need any further = information.=20 Consider if trying to save $10/month is worth your time and anguish. Kind regards Stuart Tremain Pharoah Lane Software AUSTRALIA webdna@plsoftware.com.au > On 18 Sep 2019, at 10:29, Brian Harrington = wrote: >=20 > well... Apple has a new Mac Pro coming out and have done bs to phones = to make ppl upgrade...?=20 >=20 > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 1:43 PM H - Powerpalle = > wrote: > =E2=80=9C...and I get the server up and running then within an hour I = start getting errors "Sorry WebDNA server not running =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D >=20 > Same =E2=80=99sort off=E2=80=99 experience here=E2=80=A6 having an = active thread on the talk list currently. >=20 > /Palle >=20 >=20 >> On 17 Sep 2019, at 19.31, Brian Harrington > wrote: >>=20 >> I have older mac 10.6.8 w/ webdna 6.2 with netgear router router = w.dmz host been using for years as my webserver... I've reinstalled and = reconfigured 50 times the last 2 weeks and I get the server up and = running then within an hour I start getting errors "Sorry WebDNA server = not running /Template ERROR/ Slow speeds" and template not found... I = fix the issue and then it's something new...???? >>=20 >> I'm also having the SAME issues try running newer 2009 mac 10.11.6 El = capitan w/webdna 8.2....!!! >>=20 >> I recently moved but my old server been fast and fine on 100/10 and = now have faster 400/20 internet and the sever won't max out on speed = test but still as fast as the old connection... >>=20 >> my newer 2009 mac is maxed out on everything and gets a faster = connection yet serves the web pages very slow... >>=20 >> I can't seem to keep either server running...! modifications work = then new issue starts...=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Brian Harrington >> Auto Glass Xpress >> 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 >> Getzville, NY 14068 >> (716) 861-2029 >> www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com = ---------------------------------------= ------------------ This message is sent to you because you are = subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us = archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >=20 > --=20 > Brian Harrington > Auto Glass Xpress > 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 > Getzville, NY 14068 > (716) 861-2029 > www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com = ---------------------------------------= ------------------ This message is sent to you because you are = subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_189E2C67-A506-4804-999C-F35F140A7800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = found many years ago onsite hosting of 2 x 24row server racks, plus the = fibre connection, plus the specially fitted server room, plus = electricity, plus, plus, plus was just too much to have to deal with. = One Christmas night after a very long lunch, plenty of wine and food, = time with family and friends, my monitoring alarms went off. At 6am the = next day I finally left the premises after getting everything back = online after a switch had failed further upstream in the network to = which I had no access. December 26 was the first day of my mission to = get rid of all the hardware. Now with all hosting left to the businesses = that have 24x7 staff and their millions of dollars of investment in = networking, hardware and redundancy I still get a few issues with = servers going off-line, but the best part is it is usually a reboot that = I can do with my phone while still half asleep. If it is a more serious = issue then I simple do what you would be doing with your own server = equipment - the difference is that I can do it anywhere I have internet = connection and a minimum of an iPad or my old 12=E2=80=9D MacBook.

The benefits are = numerous. I have been able to down scale business premises, employ less = staff, be far more flexible with my working arrangements - sitting on a = beach 3,500 kms north of Sydney I am able to conduct business without = clients knowing I am not in my office at my desk.

For everyone that is = hosting sites on Mac from an on-site server you really need to ask = yourselves:

1) =  =E2=80=9CWhat is the importance of a good, stable, fast web = presence to my business?=E2=80=9D

2)  =E2=80=9CCan my business = afford US$10.00 a month so that my website/s can be hosted on the very = latest  dedicated virtual Linux server with 2TB of data transfer a = month ?=E2=80=9D

3) =E2=80=9CDoes each new build of Apple OS cause me hosting = problems?"

Then = you will think that you don=E2=80=99t have command line expertise on a = linux system, that is very easily overcome with a GUI that services = thousands of servers around the world.

If security is an issue, you can have a = rock solid firewall at no cost.

Backup your server for an additional = US$2/month.

Got = an idea that involves more hardware, a second server etc - then cloud = hosting gives you the ability to try it for a hour/day/week/month and = all you have committed is $10 or so.

If you employ a hosting company that = specialises in WebDNA hosting such as Zarcrom then you don=E2=80=99t = even have to worry about the server environment, all you need to work on = is your website.

Have a chat with Christophe about the possibilities that you = can have with Zarcrom as a hosting partner, if you want to go it alone = on a cloud platform then please send me an email if you need any further = information. 

Consider if trying to save $10/month is worth your time and = anguish.


Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA







On 18 Sep 2019, at 10:29, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

well... Apple has a new Mac Pro coming out and have done bs = to phones to make ppl upgrade...? 

On Tue, Sep = 17, 2019 at 1:43 PM H - Powerpalle <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:
=E2=80=9C...and I get the server up and running = then within an hour I start getting errors "Sorry WebDNA server not = running =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

Same =E2=80=99sort off=E2=80=99 experience here=E2=80=A6 = having an active thread on the talk list currently.

/Palle


On 17 Sep 2019, at 19.31, Brian = Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

I have older mac 10.6.8 w/ webdna = 6.2 with netgear router router w.dmz host been using for years as my = webserver... I've reinstalled and reconfigured 50 times the last 2 = weeks and I get the server up and running then within an hour I start = getting errors "Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ Slow = speeds" and template not found... I fix the issue and then it's = something new...????

I'm also having the SAME issues try running newer 2009 mac = 10.11.6 El capitan w/webdna 8.2....!!!

I recently moved but my old server been = fast and fine on 100/10 and now have faster 400/20 internet and the = sever won't max out on speed test but still as fast as the old = connection...

my= newer 2009 mac is maxed out on everything and gets a faster connection = yet serves the web pages very slow...

I can't seem to keep either server = running...! modifications work then new issue starts... 

--
Brian Harrington
Auto Glass = Xpress
2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063
Getzville, NY 14068
(716) = 861-2029
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2379 --Apple-Mail=_189E2C67-A506-4804-999C-F35F140A7800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I found many years ago onsite hosting of 2 x 24row server racks, plus = the fibre connection, plus the specially fitted server room, plus = electricity, plus, plus, plus was just too much to have to deal with. = One Christmas night after a very long lunch, plenty of wine and food, = time with family and friends, my monitoring alarms went off. At 6am the = next day I finally left the premises after getting everything back = online after a switch had failed further upstream in the network to = which I had no access. December 26 was the first day of my mission to = get rid of all the hardware. Now with all hosting left to the businesses = that have 24x7 staff and their millions of dollars of investment in = networking, hardware and redundancy I still get a few issues with = servers going off-line, but the best part is it is usually a reboot that = I can do with my phone while still half asleep. If it is a more serious = issue then I simple do what you would be doing with your own server = equipment - the difference is that I can do it anywhere I have internet = connection and a minimum of an iPad or my old 12=E2=80=9D MacBook. The benefits are numerous. I have been able to down scale business = premises, employ less staff, be far more flexible with my working = arrangements - sitting on a beach 3,500 kms north of Sydney I am able to = conduct business without clients knowing I am not in my office at my = desk. For everyone that is hosting sites on Mac from an on-site server you = really need to ask yourselves: 1) =E2=80=9CWhat is the importance of a good, stable, fast web presence = to my business?=E2=80=9D 2) =E2=80=9CCan my business afford US$10.00 a month so that my = website/s can be hosted on the very latest dedicated virtual Linux = server with 2TB of data transfer a month ?=E2=80=9D 3) =E2=80=9CDoes each new build of Apple OS cause me hosting problems?" Then you will think that you don=E2=80=99t have command line expertise = on a linux system, that is very easily overcome with a GUI that services = thousands of servers around the world. If security is an issue, you can have a rock solid firewall at no cost. Backup your server for an additional US$2/month. Got an idea that involves more hardware, a second server etc - then = cloud hosting gives you the ability to try it for a hour/day/week/month = and all you have committed is $10 or so. If you employ a hosting company that specialises in WebDNA hosting such = as Zarcrom then you don=E2=80=99t even have to worry about the server = environment, all you need to work on is your website. Have a chat with Christophe about the possibilities that you can have = with Zarcrom as a hosting partner, if you want to go it alone on a cloud = platform then please send me an email if you need any further = information.=20 Consider if trying to save $10/month is worth your time and anguish. Kind regards Stuart Tremain Pharoah Lane Software AUSTRALIA webdna@plsoftware.com.au > On 18 Sep 2019, at 10:29, Brian Harrington = wrote: >=20 > well... Apple has a new Mac Pro coming out and have done bs to phones = to make ppl upgrade...?=20 >=20 > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 1:43 PM H - Powerpalle = > wrote: > =E2=80=9C...and I get the server up and running then within an hour I = start getting errors "Sorry WebDNA server not running =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D >=20 > Same =E2=80=99sort off=E2=80=99 experience here=E2=80=A6 having an = active thread on the Talk List currently. >=20 > /Palle >=20 >=20 >> On 17 Sep 2019, at 19.31, Brian Harrington > wrote: >>=20 >> I have older mac 10.6.8 w/ webdna 6.2 with netgear router router = w.dmz host been using for years as my webserver... I've reinstalled and = reconfigured 50 times the last 2 weeks and I get the server up and = running then within an hour I start getting errors "Sorry WebDNA server = not running /Template ERROR/ Slow speeds" and template not found... I = fix the issue and then it's something new...???? >>=20 >> I'm also having the SAME issues try running newer 2009 mac 10.11.6 El = capitan w/webdna 8.2....!!! >>=20 >> I recently moved but my old server been fast and fine on 100/10 and = now have faster 400/20 internet and the sever won't max out on speed = test but still as fast as the old connection... >>=20 >> my newer 2009 mac is maxed out on everything and gets a faster = connection yet serves the web pages very slow... >>=20 >> I can't seem to keep either server running...! modifications work = then new issue starts...=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Brian Harrington >> Auto Glass Xpress >> 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 >> Getzville, NY 14068 >> (716) 861-2029 >> www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com = ---------------------------------------= ------------------ This message is sent to you because you are = subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us = archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >=20 > --=20 > Brian Harrington > Auto Glass Xpress > 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 > Getzville, NY 14068 > (716) 861-2029 > www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com = ---------------------------------------= ------------------ This message is sent to you because you are = subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_189E2C67-A506-4804-999C-F35F140A7800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = found many years ago onsite hosting of 2 x 24row server racks, plus the = fibre connection, plus the specially fitted server room, plus = electricity, plus, plus, plus was just too much to have to deal with. = One Christmas night after a very long lunch, plenty of wine and food, = time with family and friends, my monitoring alarms went off. At 6am the = next day I finally left the premises after getting everything back = online after a switch had failed further upstream in the network to = which I had no access. December 26 was the first day of my mission to = get rid of all the hardware. Now with all hosting left to the businesses = that have 24x7 staff and their millions of dollars of investment in = networking, hardware and redundancy I still get a few issues with = servers going off-line, but the best part is it is usually a reboot that = I can do with my phone while still half asleep. If it is a more serious = issue then I simple do what you would be doing with your own server = equipment - the difference is that I can do it anywhere I have internet = connection and a minimum of an iPad or my old 12=E2=80=9D MacBook.

The benefits are = numerous. I have been able to down scale business premises, employ less = staff, be far more flexible with my working arrangements - sitting on a = beach 3,500 kms north of Sydney I am able to conduct business without = clients knowing I am not in my office at my desk.

For everyone that is = hosting sites on Mac from an on-site server you really need to ask = yourselves:

1) =  =E2=80=9CWhat is the importance of a good, stable, fast web = presence to my business?=E2=80=9D

2)  =E2=80=9CCan my business = afford US$10.00 a month so that my website/s can be hosted on the very = latest  dedicated virtual Linux server with 2TB of data transfer a = month ?=E2=80=9D

3) =E2=80=9CDoes each new build of Apple OS cause me hosting = problems?"

Then = you will think that you don=E2=80=99t have command line expertise on a = linux system, that is very easily overcome with a GUI that services = thousands of servers around the world.

If security is an issue, you can have a = rock solid firewall at no cost.

Backup your server for an additional = US$2/month.

Got = an idea that involves more hardware, a second server etc - then cloud = hosting gives you the ability to try it for a hour/day/week/month and = all you have committed is $10 or so.

If you employ a hosting company that = specialises in WebDNA hosting such as Zarcrom then you don=E2=80=99t = even have to worry about the server environment, all you need to work on = is your website.

Have a chat with Christophe about the possibilities that you = can have with Zarcrom as a hosting partner, if you want to go it alone = on a cloud platform then please send me an email if you need any further = information. 

Consider if trying to save $10/month is worth your time and = anguish.


Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA







On 18 Sep 2019, at 10:29, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

well... Apple has a new Mac Pro coming out and have done bs = to phones to make ppl upgrade...? 

On Tue, Sep = 17, 2019 at 1:43 PM H - Powerpalle <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:
=E2=80=9C...and I get the server up and running = then within an hour I start getting errors "Sorry WebDNA server not = running =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

Same =E2=80=99sort off=E2=80=99 experience here=E2=80=A6 = having an active thread on the Talk List currently.

/Palle


On 17 Sep 2019, at 19.31, Brian = Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

I have older mac 10.6.8 w/ webdna = 6.2 with netgear router router w.dmz host been using for years as my = webserver... I've reinstalled and reconfigured 50 times the last 2 = weeks and I get the server up and running then within an hour I start = getting errors "Sorry WebDNA server not running /Template ERROR/ Slow = speeds" and template not found... I fix the issue and then it's = something new...????

I'm also having the SAME issues try running newer 2009 mac = 10.11.6 El capitan w/webdna 8.2....!!!

I recently moved but my old server been = fast and fine on 100/10 and now have faster 400/20 internet and the = sever won't max out on speed test but still as fast as the old = connection...

my= newer 2009 mac is maxed out on everything and gets a faster connection = yet serves the web pages very slow...

I can't seem to keep either server = running...! modifications work then new issue starts... 

--
Brian Harrington
Auto Glass = Xpress
2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063
Getzville, NY 14068
(716) = 861-2029
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